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So you are saying some people are expendable for the sake of the economy?


Everyone believes that. if you don't think so, you're kidding yourself.

Lots of folks believe it, and that's fine. It's the rhetoric bullshit that isn't necessary. Internet toughs, if they are being honest with themselves, can have that opinion and still be crushed when it hits their loved ones. It may be best to at least be decent in our basic communication with one another. No one knows for whom the bell tolls.



Of course. There's the macro and the micro. The political and the personal. I've had one friend die and another thankfully just got off a ventilator after nine days. That's probably closer to home than for most people on the board. I'm old enough to be concerned about my own health let alone that of older and weaker relatives. But I don't think we can just make decisions based on our personal feelings. I've had a friend die in a car wreck. It's not some impetus for me to demand the banning of automobiles.

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So you are saying some people are expendable for the sake of the economy?


Everyone believes that. if you don't think so, you're kidding yourself.

MANY may believe that, but not everyone.


Who doesn't believe it? You'll have to find me someone who will advocate the banning of motor vehicles. If you're not in favor of banning them you think some people are expendable for the sake of the economy whether you're comfortable acknowledging such or not.


Exactly. Or if not an outright ban, why not a speed limit of 20 mph? We could cut deaths down to virtually zero.

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So you are saying some people are expendable for the sake of the economy?


Everyone believes that. if you don't think so, you're kidding yourself.


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So you are saying some people are expendable for the sake of the economy?


Everyone believes that. if you don't think so, you're kidding yourself.

MANY may believe that, but not everyone.


Who doesn't believe it? You'll have to find me someone who will advocate the banning of motor vehicles. If you're not in favor of banning them you think some people are expendable for the sake of the economy whether you're comfortable acknowledging such or not.

That’s a complete straw man and you know it. If you want to go down that path then nobody who drives a car can call themselves pro-life right?


I'm not going to turn this into an abortion thread, but if it goes that way it's obviously not going to favor the philosophy you're putting forth.

It's not a strawman at all. We (society) weigh the value of lives against the benefits for us (society) all the time. We send 18 year olds to get blown up in foreign countries for economic reasons all the time. You may be against that, but there are certainly other risks to which you are willing to expose citizens because of convenience and/or economics.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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So you are saying some people are expendable for the sake of the economy?


Everyone believes that. if you don't think so, you're kidding yourself.

MANY may believe that, but not everyone.


Who doesn't believe it? You'll have to find me someone who will advocate the banning of motor vehicles. If you're not in favor of banning them you think some people are expendable for the sake of the economy whether you're comfortable acknowledging such or not.

That’s a complete straw man and you know it. If you want to go down that path then nobody who drives a car can call themselves pro-life right?


I'm not going to turn this into an abortion thread, but if it goes that way it's obviously not going to favor the philosophy you're putting forth.

It's not a strawman at all. We (society) weigh the value of lives against the benefits for us (society) all the time. We send 18 year olds to get blown up in foreign countries for economic reasons all the time. You may be against that, but there are certainly other risks to which you are willing to expose citizens because of convenience and/or economics.


JORR I’m asking about what’s going on right now. Car accidents don’t crash the economy. Sending young folks off to war doesn’t send the DOW tumbling. I didn’t talk about abortion, I spoke about being pro-life in all aspects. Life isn’t just the abortion issue. You are introducing all these unrelated topics. I’m asking what in your opinion is an acceptable amount of lives to sacrifice for the sake of your stock portfolio.

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CFMB March Madness should have had the matchups dictated by who is a Holdout and who isn't

I'm #TeamHoldout in theory only :lol:

I ain't going anywhere for awhile. I've been wrong before.

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JORR I’m asking about what’s going on right now. Car accidents don’t crash the economy.

Banning cars would crash it, and also save lives. It's a fairly simple point JORR is making.

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JORR I’m asking about what’s going on right now. Car accidents don’t crash the economy. Sending young folks off to war doesn’t send the DOW tumbling. I didn’t talk about abortion, I spoke about being pro-life in all aspects. Life isn’t just the abortion issue. You are introducing all these unrelated topics. I’m asking what in your opinion is an acceptable amount of lives to sacrifice for the sake of your stock portfolio.


I think the "stock portfolio" thing is the real strawman. This is about what happens to a guy who tends bar for cash and doesn't even have a bank account. The guy who was already struggling and driving an Uber.

And I don't know what an "acceptable" number of lives would be. I don't think of it in such terms.

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what in your opinion is an acceptable amount of lives to sacrifice for the sake of your stock portfolio.


Forget about stock portfolio and view it in terms of lost jobs. Would you say we should try to save one 80-yr old (or any age) life if it means 100 people lose their jobs?

That's the point of the car analogy. Cars cause death in huge numbers. Why does society accept that cars exist, if preserving all life is paramount?

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Why does society accept that cars exist, if preserving all life is paramount?

That’s a great question.

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JORR I’m asking about what’s going on right now. Car accidents don’t crash the economy. Sending young folks off to war doesn’t send the DOW tumbling. I didn’t talk about abortion, I spoke about being pro-life in all aspects. Life isn’t just the abortion issue. You are introducing all these unrelated topics. I’m asking what in your opinion is an acceptable amount of lives to sacrifice for the sake of your stock portfolio.


I think the "stock portfolio" thing is the real strawman. This is about what happens to a guy who tends bar for cash and doesn't even have a bank account. The guy who was already struggling and driving an Uber.

And I don't know what an "acceptable" number of lives would be. I don't think of it in such terms.


It’s not a strawman at all. You think DC would be as panicked about this and desperate to get people back in the office if the market hadn’t lost 10,000? I don’t think anybody believes the calls from the top to get things back rolling is because they are worried about Joe the bartender.

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No one knows for whom the bell tolls.


Time marches on.

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JORR I’m asking about what’s going on right now. Car accidents don’t crash the economy. Sending young folks off to war doesn’t send the DOW tumbling. I didn’t talk about abortion, I spoke about being pro-life in all aspects. Life isn’t just the abortion issue. You are introducing all these unrelated topics. I’m asking what in your opinion is an acceptable amount of lives to sacrifice for the sake of your stock portfolio.


I think the "stock portfolio" thing is the real strawman. This is about what happens to a guy who tends bar for cash and doesn't even have a bank account. The guy who was already struggling and driving an Uber.

And I don't know what an "acceptable" number of lives would be. I don't think of it in such terms.


It’s not a strawman at all. You think DC would be as panicked about this and desperate to get people back in the office if the market hadn’t lost 10,000? I don’t think anybody believes the calls from the top to get things back rolling is because they are worried about Joe the bartender.


I can't speak for "DC". But that's not my concern.

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beni hanna wrote:
No one knows for whom the bell tolls.


Time marches on.

Time waits for no one.

Correct on both counts. Make the most of it and those around you. And those you interact with. If you're delivering food for the church, maybe take a little of that church going attitude with you around here too.


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beni hanna wrote:
No one knows for whom the bell tolls.


Time marches on.

Time waits for no one.

Time is a clock of the heart.

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What if this is the universe's way of minor population control in order to save the planet and we're fighting the natural order of things? It has hit the countries and areas with the highest population density.

Humans can't help but harm themselves, even when they think they're doing the opposite.

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Nardi wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
No one knows for whom the bell tolls.


Time marches on.

Time waits for no one.

Time is a clock of the heart.
Time, Keeps flowing like a river. To the sea... till it's gone forever.

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Nardi wrote:
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No one knows for whom the bell tolls.


Time marches on.

Time waits for no one.

Correct on both counts. Make the most of it and those around you. And those you interact with. If you're delivering food for the church, maybe take a little of that church going attitude with you around here too.

I can probably count on one hand where I've been personally disrespectful. And it's when I've been shown disrespect. I apologize for calling Jet buttercup and yella fella. He HAS found some nuggets in the internet wasteland, and I do appreciate it and tell him so.


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You can do that anywhere in the world.

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I'd like to holdout my fist for spanky's face to run into


You can do that anywhere in the world.

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I'd like to holdout my fist for spanky's face to run into


You can do that anywhere in the world.

:lol:

If anybody would know....

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I'd like to holdout my fist for spanky's face to run into


You can do that anywhere in the world.

:lol:

If anybody would know....


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JORR I’m asking about what’s going on right now. Car accidents don’t crash the economy. Sending young folks off to war doesn’t send the DOW tumbling. I didn’t talk about abortion, I spoke about being pro-life in all aspects. Life isn’t just the abortion issue. You are introducing all these unrelated topics. I’m asking what in your opinion is an acceptable amount of lives to sacrifice for the sake of your stock portfolio.


I think the "stock portfolio" thing is the real strawman. This is about what happens to a guy who tends bar for cash and doesn't even have a bank account. The guy who was already struggling and driving an Uber.

And I don't know what an "acceptable" number of lives would be. I don't think of it in such terms.


Its not either/or.

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What if this is the universe's way of minor population control in order to save the planet and we're fighting the natural order of things? It has hit the countries and areas with the highest population density.

Humans can't help but harm themselves, even when they think they're doing the opposite.


So a Chinese lab and an employee working there taking a virus to an open air market and whereby infecting a bunch of bat, snake, and green reptile eating idiots is the universes way of population control, huh? Have you seen the BAT that those people are eating? My nephew traveled a lot in his business into China. He's the adventurist type so he said that he ate a lot of very "unusual" foods and saw all of the "Stuff" that the people consumed there. That BAT, though, would be pretty hard to get down methinks. :drunken: :drunken: :drunken:

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