Dolphin did ask nicely.

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I suppose that depends on the legality of the "emergency". Will this one stand up? For longer than 30 days?

You know I'm a second amendment guy... I always look for the slippery slope. Could this make it easier to declare a state of emergency in the future? Legal precedent means something.

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Yes. We are. You post one of 2 things "the government is evil and taking away our rights" or "nuh uh!!!"

I pointed out the scripture that shows the people you are stanning for should have no issues with these rules and you turned into a baby because of who was telling you. True or false?

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99.9% of Catholics are currently unable to receive communion.

Which means they are restricted.




Please sit this one out.

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Yeah, frank, it's me or someone else. Always.


Dolphin kindly asked you to sit one out for your own good.

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Scripture has no bearing on what the government is doing.

Frank, you are completely wrong. You are so wrong I don't even know how you think you could be right but it's very entertaining. So thank you.

Again, no constitutional rights are being violated. I will not sit this one out. If the church wanted, they could arrange in home communion for everyone without push back from the state, THEY have deemed this not critical at the moment, not the state. Also I request you pick up a remedial civics book.

Amazing how willing people are to give up their rights......

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Here is his quote that started this conversation.



Find the word evil, or take the insults and sit this one out champ.

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Freedom of association is on every level.

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I posted neither of the two things in your first sentence.

And religion as I'm referring to it would mean constitutionally protected religious organizations that have no relationship with matthew scripture.
Any religion.
The answer to your last question is false. Mainly because I've stayed completely rational with you all along. You're already calling me names and lashing out. Why are you being combative? You've been back for what a week?

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Actually, the governor has restricted churches from gathering as of three weeks ago.

Which you won't find in any civics book.

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There is competing law in this largely academic debate (as Seacrest points out, churches voluntarily closed)

Freedom of/from religion is as certainly one of the biggies. Emergency powers are a checkmate on everything.

In practice: go ahead and congregate. government has the force and some legal backing to break you up. you may have a competing right that may be enforceable BUT you will get your cold comfort that you might be right a few years down the line when the SC takes up the case. In the meantime might is greater than right.

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Sure it does. The only people who are whining about it are people to whom their beliefs make it clear that this rule is ok, or those who just want something to whine about.

Could you or Darko please provide links to religious organizations that have a problem with this who are not Christian?

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Good post.
Thank you.

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Gatherings, I never said gatherings...please read my post in full before responding..... Churches, can and are operating with a shell staff. They can arrange appointments with individual parishioners. Some are doing "drive up" confessions. And they can also make house visits if they wanted to.

your opening response

Lakemoor DiCaro strikes again.

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I'm pretty sure that the free exercise clause is a right of individuals, not "churches". It is the right of every individual to not have the freedom to exercise their religion abridged. Arguing that "well churches could just...." is missing the point.

Gathering for public worship is an essential component of every church. And is currently restricted.

No one is doing drive up confession in Chicago.

Shell staff is unable to distribute Communion to everyone.

There aren't enough priests to do tens of thousands of house visits.

Other than that...

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I'll just say this and then I'll disengage from what is likely to be an unproductive conversation.
I don't need the constitutional protection of religious freedom (well, perhaps I do because I'm also guaranteed freedom from religion as a result, I'll think on that) so my only dog in the fight at the moment is that governors all over the country are getting a taste of putting constitutional protections on hold. And that kind of power tastes good.
So, I always talk about slippery slopes with regard to constitutional freedoms. I've always said in the past that it is important to defend them all, even the ones you don't care about or for because they all dovetail in one way or another.
To put my final point on this, at some point, and in some cases already, things on twitter or reddit have been removed as being "false or fake" information. Do you want, during a national emergency, Donald Trump determining whatbis fake news to be suppressed?

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Find us the post where he said government was evil.

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Temporarly, and this does not voilate the consituition.


Choice of the church, if they wanted to, they would not receive push back from the state


Church decision, not directed from the state



They could do hundreds, again, church decision.

Good post.

I think if the Archdiocese decided today that they wanted to open back up fully tomorrow, the Governor who have no real choice but to give in.

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That is not what it says. "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others" (Matthew 6:5 NIV). Those people who choose to do it publicly aren't hypocrites rather don't be like those who are doing it publicly to be seen. Continuing on with your flawed thought, assembling at a church (or any house of worship) is more than just prayer. As has been noted there is teaching, preaching, and sacraments. To hold to that scripture to say that people who pray in public are hypocrites is tenuous as best and borderline willful ignorance at worst.

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Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

They are nearly bankrupt from paying the pedophile cases, you really think the Archdiocese has the appetite to defy executive orders and fight this in court?

For the church, yes. Not the religion. Matthew 18 says where 2 or more are gathered. Matthew 6 says pray in private. It's amusing how quickly what's written in the book doesn't matter.

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Maybe you're new here....

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If they wanted to, they wouldn't have to fight in court.

They'd have priests and parishoners holding sit-ins in churches across the city.

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You are a scholar of history. Honest Abe was much more heavy handed than anything we have seen right now and he is now a beloved cornerstone of our country.

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