40% of the country has "Confederate Pride."

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

There might be people flying the flag because it's a southern symbol or a renegade thing to do, but I don't think those people could name any prominent Confederate figures or lobby for a less centralized federal government.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Fighting and losing

That's just absurd.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

They can go at least three deep

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General Lee
Colonel Sanders

who's the 3rd?

4 if you count Ronnie Van Zandt

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Ha!

I was thinking Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson as the big three, obviously, the ones on Stone Mountain. A good handful might get P.G.T. Beauregard because that's not a name one readily forgets. I think real-ass southerners and chaspoppcap could name a lot more.

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Hey, nowhere to go but up!!

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

Yeah, the flag has some different connotations now (and obviously some of the old, intimidating ones, too). It can symbolize outsiderness, rurality, rebelliousness against the government, etc. I always snap photos of the flag when I see it in Illinois; it's fascinating. I know full well that many Midwesterners did not fight in the Civil War to free slaves, but they were still angry enough with the South to risk their lives and join the war. Now their descendants are flying the Confederate flag. We recycle symbols all the time, but I don't think you can wring out the implied threat in that one.

I am guessing the spelling and pronunciation would be off enough that name might be putting it kindly.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

No one else read Edmund Ruffin, southerner I guess.

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I would say it was less hate against the South than a chance for money and adventure. The soldiers did know what they were getting into. If you were an illiterate farm hand in Iowa fighting to "end slavery" probably would not resonate. It would sound like liberating Mars from Martians.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

I can sympathize with them to an extent, though. They know that the other 60% probably demonizes them as ignorant, backwoods hicks. Sure, we're all responsible for our choices, but there's such a thing as pushing people into an identity. There's also few things (outside of violence) more stomach-churning than one person assuming they are better than another--particularly when you consider where the ancestors of the whites on this board came from.

Still, maybe a different symbol, huh? If it's gotta be Southern, why not Shoeless Joe? They could re-vamp the Dukes de Hazzard with the Shoeless Joe car.

You can say that, but there are records of Midwesterners who were really, really pissed that a chunk of the country up and left and was willing to defend itself. One of the books that talks about this is . . . well I can't remember, but I can picture the author. I've seen him on a number of CPSAN's Silver War shows. But rural or not, they were sophisticated enough to be angry about the Union dissolving. So let's not totally give in to rural stereotypes. Anyway, there are a lot of sources that document this, and I have so much respect for these soldiers.

Some of them also got pissed when Lincoln re-branded the war as a war against slavery. Not all of them, though, because may were abolitionists or transplanted New Englanders who were virtually abolitionists.

--"But there were sundown towns in Illinois!" Yeah, well, all Illinoisans didn't have the exact same beliefs.

Beat Drew Brees in an historic game. Clutch play down the stretch. That championship game will always be remembered by real Bears fans.

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Speaking of how Illinois farmers turned from self-sacrificing heroes to . . .

(I can't think of anything bad to say about the Inebriated Rodent, so help a brother out)

MVP of the league for the first 6 games

No doubt!

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Boy did I enjoy the game two weeks later. Especially after the opening kick return.

And the winning QB was a New Orleans native to boot!

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

The Bears ran the ball for nearly 200 yards on 46 carries and 3 TDs in that game. Rex had 144 yards passing and a 73 rating.

You're clinging pretty good.

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We Bears fans watched the game. We remember the clutch deep 4th quarter pass to Berrian to put the game away. You may have been getting a facial while Sexy Rexy was outplaying Drew Brees.

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Beating Brees and seeing you cry was a nice consolation prize.

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

The drive that put the game away was 4 rushes on a 5 play drive that ended with Benson scoring a TD. The nail in the coffin was a drive that consisted of seven straight runs by Thomas Jones until he hit paydirt, and the Bears went up 38-14 with four minutes left.


Amazing clinging.

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Meh, when you lose the Super Bowl you forget about the NFC Championship game really quick. The only thing I remember is

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