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As I mentioned in the other thread, their overall budget is basically equivalent to a rounding error...or less.


Yep and in any other business (including Trump's) the 15% that we contribute would hardly be enough to dictate how they conduct their business.
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They are being used as a scapegoat right now.


Yep and as per usual I (to absolve the actions of Trump at all costs) I wonder why?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -response/
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On Jan. 9, the WHO reported that the mysterious pneumonia illness in China was a novel coronavirus, the same type of pathogen that had caused the SARS epidemic in 29 countries in 2002 and 2003. The next day, the WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance with advice to all countries for how to detect, test and manage potential cases. On Jan. 23, the organization held an international news conference, confirming a basic picture of the virus that holds up reasonably well today: a novel coronavirus spreading person to person, more transmissible than the seasonal flu and 40 times deadlier, with an estimated fatality rate of 4 percent. A week later, the WHO declared a public health emergency of international concern, the highest level of alarm that the organization is authorized by its member states to issue.

The United States and South Korea confirmed their first cases of covid-19 within a day of each other, less than two weeks after the first WHO alert. South Korea marshaled a robust public health response that tested three times as many citizens per capita as the United States, and three months later, it has kept reported cases to about 10,000. U.S. cases now exceed 500,000, and the U.S. mortality rate of covid-19 is three times as high as that of South Korea. Japan, Singapore and Taiwan also looked at the same set of facts as the rest of the world and triggered immediate action while the United States did not.

The WHO is not to blame for the United States failing to impose a travel ban earlier. Forty-five nations imposed travel restrictions on China before the United States did, including Australia, Iran and Italy. The earliest of these restrictions took effect on Jan. 24, nine days before the U.S. travel ban on Feb. 2 that Trump now boasts about implementing. The WHO did advise against travel bans and, as the U.S. experience demonstrates, these bans have not proved effective in stopping the spread of the coronavirus. The WHO had previously warned that travel bans contribute to “a false impression of control” — the misperception that a ban would be sufficient to stop the spread of disease. The U.S. reliance on travel bans over domestic readiness suggests that the WHO had a point.

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It is interesting in many of these discussions how the notion of it being just a rounding error is brought up. Or "that is such a small amount why bother". There are a lot of things like that all the time not just WHO, UN, Nato, military or any domestic support programs.

Shouldn't it be understood that all of the little bits all add up to our financial challenges? It isn't just the big ticket line items.


Or maybe it's an indication of how little we have cared about these issues. We toss tiny amounts of money at programs that turn out to be more important than anyone thought.



And yet we still "care" more than the rest of the world.


Good

And we still dont care enough


How about we start caring for our own people first?

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chaspoppcap wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
pittmike wrote:
It is interesting in many of these discussions how the notion of it being just a rounding error is brought up. Or "that is such a small amount why bother". There are a lot of things like that all the time not just WHO, UN, Nato, military or any domestic support programs.

Shouldn't it be understood that all of the little bits all add up to our financial challenges? It isn't just the big ticket line items.


Or maybe it's an indication of how little we have cared about these issues. We toss tiny amounts of money at programs that turn out to be more important than anyone thought.



And yet we still "care" more than the rest of the world.


Good

And we still dont care enough


How about we start caring for our own people first?


Not caring enough about health around the world contributed to all this damage being done to "our own people". We dont live in isolation.

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We dont live in isolation.

Where have you been the last month?

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chaspoppcap wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
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It is interesting in many of these discussions how the notion of it being just a rounding error is brought up. Or "that is such a small amount why bother". There are a lot of things like that all the time not just WHO, UN, Nato, military or any domestic support programs.

Shouldn't it be understood that all of the little bits all add up to our financial challenges? It isn't just the big ticket line items.


Or maybe it's an indication of how little we have cared about these issues. We toss tiny amounts of money at programs that turn out to be more important than anyone thought.



And yet we still "care" more than the rest of the world.


Good

And we still dont care enough


How about we start caring for our own people first?


Spoken like a man that Trumpets, though never quite acknowledges that his and Trump's emphasis has always been about "America First".

Now we spend too much time concentrating on other countries of the world. What a load of crap.

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Why hasn't the WHO been able to get the information out of China that allowed China to stop all Covid deaths virtually overnight?

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We dont live in isolation.

Where have you been the last month?
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Oh and as for other organisations that we would be better off funding than the Who that do a better job. Doctors without borders, they are the ones who usually sound the alarms for stuff happening in the poor countries across the world .They where also the ones first in on the majority of the Ebola outbreaks.

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Why hasn't the WHO been able to get the information out of China that allowed China to stop all Covid deaths virtually overnight?


Do you think they haven't tried?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Why hasn't the WHO been able to get the information out of China that allowed China to stop all Covid deaths virtually overnight?


Do you think they haven't tried?
If they can't get that information then maybe they don't need to exist.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -response/
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On Jan. 9, the WHO reported that the mysterious pneumonia illness in China was a novel coronavirus, the same type of pathogen that had caused the SARS epidemic in 29 countries in 2002 and 2003. The next day, the WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance with advice to all countries for how to detect, test and manage potential cases. On Jan. 23, the organization held an international news conference, confirming a basic picture of the virus that holds up reasonably well today: a novel coronavirus spreading person to person, more transmissible than the seasonal flu and 40 times deadlier, with an estimated fatality rate of 4 percent. A week later, the WHO declared a public health emergency of international concern, the highest level of alarm that the organization is authorized by its member states to issue.

The United States and South Korea confirmed their first cases of covid-19 within a day of each other, less than two weeks after the first WHO alert. South Korea marshaled a robust public health response that tested three times as many citizens per capita as the United States, and three months later, it has kept reported cases to about 10,000. U.S. cases now exceed 500,000, and the U.S. mortality rate of covid-19 is three times as high as that of South Korea. Japan, Singapore and Taiwan also looked at the same set of facts as the rest of the world and triggered immediate action while the United States did not.

The WHO is not to blame for the United States failing to impose a travel ban earlier. Forty-five nations imposed travel restrictions on China before the United States did, including Australia, Iran and Italy. The earliest of these restrictions took effect on Jan. 24, nine days before the U.S. travel ban on Feb. 2 that Trump now boasts about implementing. The WHO did advise against travel bans and, as the U.S. experience demonstrates, these bans have not proved effective in stopping the spread of the coronavirus. The WHO had previously warned that travel bans contribute to “a false impression of control” — the misperception that a ban would be sufficient to stop the spread of disease. The U.S. reliance on travel bans over domestic readiness suggests that the WHO had a point.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Why hasn't the WHO been able to get the information out of China that allowed China to stop all Covid deaths virtually overnight?


Do you think they haven't tried?
If they can't get that information then maybe they don't need to exist.


Maybe that's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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Give WHO their money when they recognize Taiwan.

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Give WHO their money when they recognize Taiwan.


I like it.

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Give WHO their money when they recognize Taiwan.

That's pretty hard. They all look alike.

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long time guy wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -response/
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On Jan. 9, the WHO reported that the mysterious pneumonia illness in China was a novel coronavirus, the same type of pathogen that had caused the SARS epidemic in 29 countries in 2002 and 2003. The next day, the WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance with advice to all countries for how to detect, test and manage potential cases. On Jan. 23, the organization held an international news conference, confirming a basic picture of the virus that holds up reasonably well today: a novel coronavirus spreading person to person, more transmissible than the seasonal flu and 40 times deadlier, with an estimated fatality rate of 4 percent. A week later, the WHO declared a public health emergency of international concern, the highest level of alarm that the organization is authorized by its member states to issue.

The United States and South Korea confirmed their first cases of covid-19 within a day of each other, less than two weeks after the first WHO alert. South Korea marshaled a robust public health response that tested three times as many citizens per capita as the United States, and three months later, it has kept reported cases to about 10,000. U.S. cases now exceed 500,000, and the U.S. mortality rate of covid-19 is three times as high as that of South Korea. Japan, Singapore and Taiwan also looked at the same set of facts as the rest of the world and triggered immediate action while the United States did not.

The WHO is not to blame for the United States failing to impose a travel ban earlier. Forty-five nations imposed travel restrictions on China before the United States did, including Australia, Iran and Italy. The earliest of these restrictions took effect on Jan. 24, nine days before the U.S. travel ban on Feb. 2 that Trump now boasts about implementing. The WHO did advise against travel bans and, as the U.S. experience demonstrates, these bans have not proved effective in stopping the spread of the coronavirus. The WHO had previously warned that travel bans contribute to “a false impression of control” — the misperception that a ban would be sufficient to stop the spread of disease. The U.S. reliance on travel bans over domestic readiness suggests that the WHO had a point.


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Will be completely ignored. Facts don't matter. Only Trump's propaganda.

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Oh and as for other organisations that we would be better off funding than the Who that do a better job. Doctors without borders, they are the ones who usually sound the alarms for stuff happening in the poor countries across the world .They where also the ones first in on the majority of the Ebola outbreaks.


Get your fucking British spelling the fuck outta here!

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/04/14/35-billion-has-flowed-from-us-taxpayers-to-the-world-health-organization-since-2010/

Trump's beef with the WHO

https://bit.ly/WHOFactSheet


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PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP HAS CALLED OUT THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION’S CORRUPTION AND ABUSE
“The W.H.O. really blew it. We will be giving that a good look.”
– President Donald J. Trump
DELAYING WORLD MOBILIZATION IN THE FIGHT AGAINST COVID-19: Working with
China to cover up the deadly spread of COVID-19, WHO hindered critical efforts that could have
saved lives.
• WHO refused to listen to Taiwan’s pleas about the virus in December, denied a visit of experts
to Wuhan until mid-February, and cooperated with China to cover up the truth about
coronavirus.
• Even when evidence of human-to-human transmission was confirmed as early as January 2 in
Wuhan, WHO and China refused to admit it until late January.
• WHO repeatedly deferred to Chinese propaganda that covered up the virus’s spread and
fatalities, praising Beijing for its false efforts and promoting the use of Chinese traditional
medicine to treat the disease.
• The organization insisted that travel restrictions should not be used. While Chinese cover-up
continued, Director Tedros berated President Trump for closing America’s borders, saying that
“stigma” was more deadly than the virus itself.
• The organization refused to declare COVID-19 a pandemic until March 11, when it was too
late. By then, COVID-19 had infected over 110,000 people and over 110 countries worldwide.
COLLABORATING WITH CHINA: WHO has a history of cooperating with Beijing, working to
earn political favor with China by deceiving and sidelining other countries.
• The appointment of Director Tedros to lead WHO was a major win for China, who worked
tirelessly to ensure he assumed the position.
o During Tedros’ reign as health minister in Ethiopia, China loaned the country billions of
dollars.
o Tedros has a long history of corruption – having worked for a Marxist government that
tortured and murdered thousands, covering up multiple outbreaks of cholera in
Ethiopia, and aligning himself to China’s influence.
• Tedros uses the WHO as a political bargaining chip to show allegiance to China and
continually sidelines Taiwan to gain China’s favor.
o Taiwan is not allowed to be a member of WHO because of China’s “One-China Policy”
and is excluded from the World Health Organization.
o Because of this, WHO refused to listen to Taiwan’s early warnings about the virus back
in December, which could have saved lives. It ignored Taiwan’s offers to mobilize
against the disease, choosing to work with China to cover up the severity of COVID-19
and deny facts.
IMPEDING GLOBAL HEALTH AND MISHANDLING MONEY: This is not the first instance of
WHO’s malfeasance, corruption, and political clout.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -response/
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On Jan. 9, the WHO reported that the mysterious pneumonia illness in China was a novel coronavirus, the same type of pathogen that had caused the SARS epidemic in 29 countries in 2002 and 2003. The next day, the WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance with advice to all countries for how to detect, test and manage potential cases. On Jan. 23, the organization held an international news conference, confirming a basic picture of the virus that holds up reasonably well today: a novel coronavirus spreading person to person, more transmissible than the seasonal flu and 40 times deadlier, with an estimated fatality rate of 4 percent. A week later, the WHO declared a public health emergency of international concern, the highest level of alarm that the organization is authorized by its member states to issue.

The United States and South Korea confirmed their first cases of covid-19 within a day of each other, less than two weeks after the first WHO alert. South Korea marshaled a robust public health response that tested three times as many citizens per capita as the United States, and three months later, it has kept reported cases to about 10,000. U.S. cases now exceed 500,000, and the U.S. mortality rate of covid-19 is three times as high as that of South Korea. Japan, Singapore and Taiwan also looked at the same set of facts as the rest of the world and triggered immediate action while the United States did not.

The WHO is not to blame for the United States failing to impose a travel ban earlier. Forty-five nations imposed travel restrictions on China before the United States did, including Australia, Iran and Italy. The earliest of these restrictions took effect on Jan. 24, nine days before the U.S. travel ban on Feb. 2 that Trump now boasts about implementing. The WHO did advise against travel bans and, as the U.S. experience demonstrates, these bans have not proved effective in stopping the spread of the coronavirus. The WHO had previously warned that travel bans contribute to “a false impression of control” — the misperception that a ban would be sufficient to stop the spread of disease. The U.S. reliance on travel bans over domestic readiness suggests that the WHO had a point.


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Will be completely ignored. Facts don't matter. Only Trump's propaganda.

Dr Who declared a pandemic March 11. Dr Who spread fake news about travel bans "not working" after clearly and intentionally letting the cat out of the bag throughout January. The East coast infection is from Europe. The west coast infections from China have not been out of control, mostly due to the travel ban from China. I find this attempted rehabilitation of China's b!tch disconcerting. Why is this? Informed people know Trump fucked up the testing. Is this JUST BECAUSE there's a minority that worships all things Trump, some must turn around and worship Dr WHO? For what? Spite?


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World health benefits us. The World Health Organization does not. There are all kinds of organizations that promote world health without the corruption of WHO.[/quote]

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Yes there are. Someone just posted something that mentioned Doctors without borders. There are also religious organizations that also do this. In my Catholic Church they have a group called the Lay Mission helpers that go on missions around the world and help towns and villages in bettering their lives including health and education. Our good friends Warren and Deana were on an over two year mission in Cameroon, Africa where they literally built a trade school and Deana provided nursing and health care to the village while Warren established a water filtration system for the village while Warren taught trade skills, blueprint reading, etc. My wife and I along with other couples had fund raising efforts for them ourselves and shipped "care" packages to them as well as money to help them buy generators, filtration equipment, etc.

Also, I think that the Peace Corps does a good job over-all in helping the people.

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With The Hawk using weird capitalization and quotes, I have started reading his posts like Bennett Brauer from SNL. Even with the crazy whacked out subject matter, it makes his posts far more entertaining.

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I am going to choose to say Trump fucked up his initial response, and the WHO is scared of China.

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https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/08 ... --covid-19

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31 Dec 2019

China reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.

1 January 2020

WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.

4 January 2020

WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province.

5 January 2020

WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.

10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.

Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.

12 January 2020

China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19.

13 January 2020

Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.

14 January 2020

WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

20-21 January 2020

WHO experts from its China and Western Pacific regional offices conducted a brief field visit to Wuhan.

22 January 2020

WHO mission to China issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan but more investigation was needed to understand the full extent of transmission.

22- 23 January 2020

The WHO Director- General convened an Emergency Committee (EC) under the International Health Regulations (IHR 2005) to assess whether the outbreak constituted a public health emergency of international concern. The independent members from around the world could not reach a consensus based on the evidence available at the time. They asked to be reconvened within 10 days after receiving more information.

28 January 2020

A senior WHO delegation led by the Director-General travelled to Beijing to meet China’s leadership, learn more about China’s response, and to offer any technical assistance.

While in Beijing, Dr. Tedros agreed with Chinese government leaders that an international team of leading scientists would travel to China on a mission to better understand the context, the overall response, and exchange information and experience.

30 January 2020

The WHO Director-General reconvened the Emergency Committee (EC). This was earlier than the 10-day period and only two days after the first reports of limited human-to-human transmission were reported outside China. This time, the EC reached consensus and advised the Director-General that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The Director-General accepted the recommendation and declared the novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-nCoV) a PHEIC. This is the 6th time WHO has declared a PHEIC since the International Health Regulations (IHR) came into force in 2005.

3 February 2020

WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states with weaker health systems.

11-12 February 2020

WHO convened a Research and Innovation Forum on COVID-19, attended by more than 400 experts and funders from around the world, which included presentations by George Gao, Director General of China CDC, and Zunyou Wu, China CDC's chief epidemiologist.

16-24 February 2020

The WHO-China Joint mission, which included experts from Canada, Germany, Japan, Nigeria, Republic of Korea, Russia, Singapore and the US (CDC, NIH) spent time in Beijing and also travelled to Wuhan and two other cities. They spoke with health officials, scientists and health workers in health facilities (maintaining physical distancing). The report of the joint mission can be found here: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... report.pdf

11 March 2020

Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic.

13 March 2020

COVID-19 Solidarity Response Fund launched to receive donations from private individuals, corporations and institutions.

18 March 2020

WHO and partners launch the Solidarity Trial, an international clinical trial that aims to generate robust data from around the world to find the most effective treatments for COVID-19.

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I am going to choose to say Trump fucked up his initial response, and the WHO is scared of China.


Both seem to be accurate statements.

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As I mentioned in the other thread, their overall budget is basically equivalent to a rounding error...or less.

They are being used as a scapegoat right now.

Yeah I don’t see why . Pretty undeserved .

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badrogue17 wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
As I mentioned in the other thread, their overall budget is basically equivalent to a rounding error...or less.

They are being used as a scapegoat right now.

Yeah I don’t see why . Pretty undeserved .

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No anti WHO bias shown in that timeline...

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GoldenJet wrote:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -response/
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On Jan. 9, the WHO reported that the mysterious pneumonia illness in China was a novel coronavirus, the same type of pathogen that had caused the SARS epidemic in 29 countries in 2002 and 2003. The next day, the WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance with advice to all countries for how to detect, test and manage potential cases. On Jan. 23, the organization held an international news conference, confirming a basic picture of the virus that holds up reasonably well today: a novel coronavirus spreading person to person, more transmissible than the seasonal flu and 40 times deadlier, with an estimated fatality rate of 4 percent. A week later, the WHO declared a public health emergency of international concern, the highest level of alarm that the organization is authorized by its member states to issue.

The United States and South Korea confirmed their first cases of covid-19 within a day of each other, less than two weeks after the first WHO alert. South Korea marshaled a robust public health response that tested three times as many citizens per capita as the United States, and three months later, it has kept reported cases to about 10,000. U.S. cases now exceed 500,000, and the U.S. mortality rate of covid-19 is three times as high as that of South Korea. Japan, Singapore and Taiwan also looked at the same set of facts as the rest of the world and triggered immediate action while the United States did not.

The WHO is not to blame for the United States failing to impose a travel ban earlier. Forty-five nations imposed travel restrictions on China before the United States did, including Australia, Iran and Italy. The earliest of these restrictions took effect on Jan. 24, nine days before the U.S. travel ban on Feb. 2 that Trump now boasts about implementing. The WHO did advise against travel bans and, as the U.S. experience demonstrates, these bans have not proved effective in stopping the spread of the coronavirus. The WHO had previously warned that travel bans contribute to “a false impression of control” — the misperception that a ban would be sufficient to stop the spread of disease. The U.S. reliance on travel bans over domestic readiness suggests that the WHO had a point.


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Will be completely ignored. Facts don't matter. Only Trump's propaganda.

Dr Who declared a pandemic March 11. Dr Who spread fake news about travel bans "not working" after clearly and intentionally letting the cat out of the bag throughout January. The East coast infection is from Europe. The west coast infections from China have not been out of control, mostly due to the travel ban from China. I find this attempted rehabilitation of China's b!tch disconcerting. Why is this? Informed people know Trump fucked up the testing. Is this JUST BECAUSE there's a minority that worships all things Trump, some must turn around and worship Dr WHO? For what? Spite?


WHO may be in China's pocket. That doesn't mean that they acted inappropriately where this pandemic is concerned.

Trump and the people that do nothing but absolve him of everything in every situation (i.e. his bogus ass charity) are just trying to deflect away from his screwup. Again.

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GoldenJet wrote:
As I mentioned in the other thread, their overall budget is basically equivalent to a rounding error...or less.

They are being used as a scapegoat right now.


A "scapegoat"? This organization was complicit in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of deaths in the world needlessly. It is obvious to me that its leadership is bought and paid for by China which interestingly has been the origin of several other killer diseases in the past. I have no problem with the US being a part of WHO but Trump is right to raise the issue of the WHO and its failures and corruption. I think what will happen is a big time housecleaning of the organization. That has to be done.

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badrogue17 wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
As I mentioned in the other thread, their overall budget is basically equivalent to a rounding error...or less.

They are being used as a scapegoat right now.

Yeah I don’t see why . Pretty undeserved .

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No disparagement toward either poster intended or where the information came from. I didn't recognize a single point that was the same in both posts by Goldenjet or above. That's a little frustrating. We can't even compare the same information.


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beni hanna wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
As I mentioned in the other thread, their overall budget is basically equivalent to a rounding error...or less.

They are being used as a scapegoat right now.

Yeah I don’t see why . Pretty undeserved .

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No disparagement toward either poster intended or where the information came from. I didn't recognize a single point that was the same in both posts by Goldenjet or above. That's a little frustrating. We can't even compare the same information.


That's because everyone gets their own truth now.

And it's always the other side that's lying.

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