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That didn't happen though.

It absolutely has.

It absolutely has not.

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It's probably a good message to send for the long term but Michigan was also a major problem area for the virus just a few days ago.

"You can't go to your vacation home until May 1st" isn't exactly a shocking thing to put under non-essential travel.

"You're under arrest for peacefully protesting" is exactly a shocking thing to put under "non-essential activities"

That didn't happen though.

Yes it did. In NC.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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But still, it's probably better just to stay at home.

Not your call. Not anyone's call actually.

You really are living out your control-freak fantasy vicariously through Gretchen Whitmer, aren't you?
I think there is a case to be made that "stay at home" orders by Governors are unconstitutional though the way most state Constitutions are I think they would stand up over a short enough time period.

So, until the courts rule on that, it is the Governors call.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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It's probably a good message to send for the long term but Michigan was also a major problem area for the virus just a few days ago.

"You can't go to your vacation home until May 1st" isn't exactly a shocking thing to put under non-essential travel.

"You're under arrest for peacefully protesting" is exactly a shocking thing to put under "non-essential activities"

That didn't happen though.

Yes it did. In NC.

My apologies FF. BR snipped it and I thought he was responding to America's "you cant go to your summer home" crap

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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"You can't go to your vacation home until May 1st" isn't exactly a shocking thing to put under non-essential travel.


To be honest, it's kind of shitty. My brother in law basically moved up to their vacation cottage for the time being because of this...he got furloughed 2 weeks ago, and had gotten a bunch of stuff to go up on weekends to work on their cabin...bought as a fixer upper. So he went up there to get shit worked on because of this draconian bullshit.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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Imagine being so totalitarian that you actually have the thought "the people protesting dont vote for the same people I do, so there protests aren't legitimate and shouldn't be protected". Just imagine that, having that mindset.

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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

How is it different than banning tanning salons from being open?

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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

You can't. You can highly suggest that people stay the heck in their urban hellholes they spend most of the year in, but they can't stop you.

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Imagine being so totalitarian that you actually have the thought "the people protesting dont vote for the same people I do, so there protests aren't legitimate and shouldn't be protected". Just imagine that, having that mindset.

Yikes.

I don't know. Tell us how you do it.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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But still, it's probably better just to stay at home.

Not your call. Not anyone's call actually.

You really are living out your control-freak fantasy vicariously through Gretchen Whitmer, aren't you?
I think there is a case to be made that "stay at home" orders by Governors are unconstitutional though the way most state Constitutions are I think they would stand up over a short enough time period.

So, until the courts rule on that, it is the Governors call.

But in the meantime people who think this is bullshit have a constitutional right to make their displeasure known.


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FavreFan wrote:
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It's probably a good message to send for the long term but Michigan was also a major problem area for the virus just a few days ago.

"You can't go to your vacation home until May 1st" isn't exactly a shocking thing to put under non-essential travel.

"You're under arrest for peacefully protesting" is exactly a shocking thing to put under "non-essential activities"

That didn't happen though.

Yes it did. In NC.
But not in Michigan, which is who we are talking about.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

How is it different than banning tanning salons from being open?

Well they're both illegal acts by the government, so not different at all.

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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

With the backing of millions of Boilermaker Ricks to defend the tyrannical government

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

You can't. You can highly suggest that people stay the heck in their urban hellholes they spend most of the year in, but they can't stop you.

Well as long as the mayors ask apparently they can

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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Imagine being so totalitarian that you actually have the thought "the people protesting dont vote for the same people I do, so there protests aren't legitimate and shouldn't be protected". Just imagine that, having that mindset.

Yikes.
I'm all for voting out any Governor over their handling of this. I was simply pointing out that these people likely didn't get her elected and their vote against her whenever that is will likely not change things.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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But still, it's probably better just to stay at home.

Not your call. Not anyone's call actually.

You really are living out your control-freak fantasy vicariously through Gretchen Whitmer, aren't you?
I think there is a case to be made that "stay at home" orders by Governors are unconstitutional though the way most state Constitutions are I think they would stand up over a short enough time period.

So, until the courts rule on that, it is the Governors call.

But in the meantime people who think this is bullshit have a constitutional right to make their displeasure known.

I agree. I even said it was probably a good message to send long term.

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It's probably a good message to send for the long term but Michigan was also a major problem area for the virus just a few days ago.

"You can't go to your vacation home until May 1st" isn't exactly a shocking thing to put under non-essential travel.

"You're under arrest for peacefully protesting" is exactly a shocking thing to put under "non-essential activities"

That didn't happen though.

Yes it did. In NC.
But not in Michigan, which is who we are talking about.

Keep up, we're talking about more than just Michigan in this thread. We're talking about people protesting the tyrannical lockdowns and the government responses.

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Michigan still going to collect 100% of the property tax on the second homes of the people they’re not letting go to ?

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

With the backing of millions of Boilermaker Ricks to defend the tyrannical government
I'm not really defending it. I do think some Governors have gone overboard in the restrictions. However, it seems as if they do have that right. It may be time to change that.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?
How is it different than banning tanning salons from being open?
You need a business license to operate a tanning salon. You do not need a license to enter a building a property you own.

You have Michigan saying that you can't buy seeds or to go a lake house, you have Florida saying that professional wrestling is an essential business, and you have Chicago closing public paths and banning liquor sales after 9pm.

Local politicians are making up their own rules as they go along, and the Ricks and Karens of the word support them wholeheartedly.

RIP United States of America. You had a good run.

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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

You can't. You can highly suggest that people stay the heck in their urban hellholes they spend most of the year in, but they can't stop you.

Well as long as the mayors ask apparently they can

If I gave enough of a crap I could show you one of the letters. You own the property. They don't want you to come there but they can't legally stop you.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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FavreFan wrote:
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It's probably a good message to send for the long term but Michigan was also a major problem area for the virus just a few days ago.

"You can't go to your vacation home until May 1st" isn't exactly a shocking thing to put under non-essential travel.

"You're under arrest for peacefully protesting" is exactly a shocking thing to put under "non-essential activities"

That didn't happen though.

Yes it did. In NC.
But not in Michigan, which is who we are talking about.

Keep up, we're talking about more than just Michigan in this thread. We're talking about people protesting the tyrannical lockdowns and the government responses.
I thought we were talking about Michigan, which is what my post was about specifically.

You should have said it happened in a different state.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

With the backing of millions of Boilermaker Ricks to defend the tyrannical government
I'm not really defending it. I do think some Governors have gone overboard in the restrictions. However, it seems as if they do have that right. It may be time to change that.

What gives them the right to deny people the ability to peacefully assemble protest, and to arrest those who are peacefully protesting that don't comply?

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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B Mac wrote:
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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

You can't. You can highly suggest that people stay the heck in their urban hellholes they spend most of the year in, but they can't stop you.

Well as long as the mayors ask apparently they can

If I gave enough of a crap I could show you one of the letters. You own the property. They don't want you to come there but they can't legally stop you.

B Mac has a vacation home? That pizza delivery money must be paying off good. :wink:

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You should have said it happened in a different state.

What state it happened in is irrelevant to the discussion

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Look, the fact that law enforcement is unwilling to enforce these orders because even American police officers are more clued into what tyranny looks like than the Michigan governor is not some sign that what is happening here is right. Or that we should be encouraged.

I think Brick generally agrees with me here so I'll drop it.

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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?
How is it different than banning tanning salons from being open?
You need a business license to operate a tanning salon. You do not need a license to enter a building a property you own.

You have Michigan saying that you can't buy seeds or to go a lake house, you have Florida saying that professional wrestling is an essential business, and you have Chicago closing public paths and banning liquor sales after 9pm.

Local politicians are making up their own rules as they go along, and the Ricks and Karens of the word support them wholeheartedly.

RIP United States of America. You had a good run.
It's not worth arguing about the governments role with private property ownership so I'll take it back.

I don't support the restrictions wholeheartedly.

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 Post subject: Re: People of Michigan
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How can you ban someone from staying at property that they own?

With the backing of millions of Boilermaker Ricks to defend the tyrannical government
I'm not really defending it. I do think some Governors have gone overboard in the restrictions. However, it seems as if they do have that right. It may be time to change that.

What gives them the right to deny people the ability to peacefully assemble protest, and to arrest those who are peacefully protesting that don't comply?

There was one person arrested. Let's not get crazy here.

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Look, the fact that law enforcement is unwilling to enforce these orders because even American police officers are more clued into what tyranny looks like than the Michigan governor is not some sign that what is happening here is right. Or that we should be encouraged.

I think Brick generally agrees with me here so I'll drop it.

B-Mac can go jerk off to his Xi Jinping scrapbook without me to up his stimulation though.

Did I hurt your feelings? Awwwww poor America.

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