I liked hearing Jordan be real. Him swearing on camera. Letting his guard down a little bit.

I knew Krause would be kicked in the balls. And he was. I've said this for years. Krause is more important that Phil Jackson for the 6 titles. Not that Jackson was nothing. I just think Krause was more valuable.

It was hard to watch as they mercilessly picked on Krause like that, but you can't say that he didn't deserve it.

Reinsdorf is a genius the way he let everything play out. . . but it all backfired when Jayson Williams crashed his bike and again when D. Rose blew that knee.

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We Now Know That JOE BIDEN has been COMPROMISED by CHINA! (let that sink in)

Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

True. Jordan was a bitch. That's why we got 6 of them.

Look, every player wants to win. But nobody ever wanted it more than Jordan did. No one ever will. He's truly one of a kind. So if he had to be a dick to get it done, I don't care.

There was a throw away line within the second episode or Van Pelt's post-show tonight that Reinsdorf told Jackson he would not allow Jackson to undermine Krause's personnel power. Phil wanted the GM job; he wanted the Pat Riley package. Funny thing is Jackie McMullin mentioned that Phil believed in only staying with a team for seven years at most because he felt he would start losing touch with the players after that. He tried to bluff Reinsdorf into believing that the only way Michael and Pippen would stay was if Krause was fired and Phil was given control; Reinsdorf would not and should not have fired Krause just for that. Reinsdorf could have told Krause to stop traveling with the team and hanging out in the locker room, but he didn't; that was his biggest mistake.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Jordan went on Robin Roberts to get out ahead of any negative image from him being so raw, but I think it only serves to build his legend and bring more respect to it.

Fuck your feelings - PAY ME!

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We Now Know That JOE BIDEN has been COMPROMISED by CHINA! (let that sink in)

Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

Everyone is shocked by the story of Jerry Krause getting hired to be GM simply by asking Reinsdorf and I'm thinking that's nothing compared to Reinsdorf hiring Hawk Harrelson to be GM for a year.

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Who gave Jordan his RoY trophy?

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

When it started it brought a tear to my eye. Maybe just nostalgia of following MJ's career and those early bulls teams reminded me of being young and healthy and full of optimism.

Loved the young Jim Rose and young Joan Esposito cameo's.

What a team that was. What a man MJ was. What a treat that in my lifetime, in our lifetimes, we were given this unbelievable gift of watching this man play and this magical team. There will be nothing ever like it maybe in another 50-75 years if ever.

I'd still like to know what was the real reason Kruase fired Doug Collins!?!? I mean it's been 35 f'n years! Tell us already!!!!

btw, Scottie Pippen in his rookie year was being introduced to some bad habits like strip clubs etc from teammate Sedale Threatt. That's why he was dealt to Seattle so he couldn't be a bad influence on young Scottie.

This made me laugh. I think this guy was famous for holding some other very important position.....just can't put my finger on it....

He's one of your state senators. He just failed at challenging Bobby Rush.

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GO BEARS!!!

Oh yeah i remember now, he was that community organizer in Hyde Park.

CIA front company employee.

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We Now Know That JOE BIDEN has been COMPROMISED by CHINA! (let that sink in)

Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

They needed each other. Jackson needed Krause to provide the players he did and Krause needed Jackson to manage the the team the way he did. Not every talented team is automatically going to win it all. You need a coach to guide them through the season and to manage egos and expectations. That was always PJ's strength.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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This was great. I'm glad that they provided background footage of those early Jordan teams. Those teams were filled with absolute dogs. Lots of guys just stealing money.

Didn't know Dean Smith was the guy that convinced Jordan to turn pro either. Back then it wasn't as easy of a decision as it happens to be today. Guys wouldn't go unless they believed that they were absolutely ready.

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Name the smokers,the cokers and the pokers....Q hit the tri

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

How un-bernsteinian of you! You don't like "tank wins"? You and Jordan are both meatballs.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The cokeheads that I remember reading were cokeheads back then were Ennis Whatley Orlando Woolridge and Quentin Dailey. I think Sidney Green was also one too.

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I think you nailed it here. Cases of Jerry Reinsdorf Awareness have been dwindling for years now but are now reaching highs not seen since '98. He's near the end of his life, he doesn't want to have to own running the Bulls into the ground twice.

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Dan's tearful evolution into the common man amid layoffs and cutbacks. I wonder if he'll do his south side meatball fan voice for Butkus.

The Oakley trade was sort of a big deal back then too. For me it was sort of a where were you and what were you doing sort of thing as it happened Freshman year of High School. It was the same night as the Tyson-Spinks fight.

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Krause will come out of this as a sympathetic figure when it's all said and done. I think in some respects he gets too much credit for building around Jordan but too much blame other areas.

Phil Jackson was an extremely manipulative guy. He played a huge role in the players turning on management. As Reinsdorf stated without Krause there would not have been a Phil Jackson. He snaked Doug Collins to get the coaching gig and he tried to snake Krause for the GM job.

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It's amazing that anyone has to defend the skill and acumen of a coach who won 11 rings out of 13 tries with four different cores. GOAT

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

No one said anything about his coaching. That's another discussion but there were a lot of coaches that would have done great with the talent he inherited. In both situations.

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Yeah, I'm certainly not upset about it. There's too much going on in the world to care about Phil Jackson's duplicity. But I think it's hilarious to see him sit there and act as if he was a helpless victim who just wanted to come back with Scottie and Michael and win as many more championships as possible. That's a bad rewriting of history.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm not agonizing over his duplicity either but it's a thread about the team he coached from that particular era. It's more relevant to the discussion than the coronavirus.

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Do you mind allowing me to agree with you?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Can it ever be done without disagreeing first? If so then yeah. It just comes off as disagreeing merely for the sake of disagreeing.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I didn't disagree with you at all. Don't be so sensitive.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You presumed that I was "agonizing" over the duplicity of Phil Jackson and you disagreed with me over that in case you didn't notice. It's no big deal. Just an observation.

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