so in other words you can't think of an GOAT in any sport that didn't win multiple titles? No need to keep moving the goalposts.

My point is pretty clear and supported....wasn't that hard to win as GM when you have MJ.

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Do you think businessmen like to lose contract negotiations? They're just as competitive as everyone else.

Reinsdorf gave a city 7 championships. I don't think there is an owner in the free agency era who has more than 5.

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Aside from shouldering the league's highest payroll for some of those championship years, I'm not sure what specific actions the Bulls took that led to rings can be credited to Reinsdorf. Perhaps he allowed Krause to spend a bit more on free agents or trade targets, so that's a plus. Outside of that I don't think the dominance was built from the top down, it was really Krause making it work with MJ. In fact you could say Reinsdorf didn't give a shit about the Bulls when he hired a complete novice to run the day to day (Krause). He lucked into success and then helped sustain it with his pocketbook. If anyone in management should be credited it's 90% Krause and 10% Reinsdorf.

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I apologize to the GOAT for taking away a ring. It's still nice to know Uncle Jerry is #1.

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I like owners who win championships. We have an owner in Chicago who has won more championships than any other team in the free agency era but we hate him.

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He built stadiums, turned around 2 failing franchises, ended championship droughts and is more successful than Robert Kraft. Chicago fans loves tugging on Kraft but want to bury Uncle Jerry.

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You know, no one ever handed the Stanley Cup directly to Rocky Wirtz.

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Kraft also built a stadium and has seven Super Bowls over an eighteen season period. Thats better than Jerry's seven rings over sixty seasons.

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must be more like 70 seasons.

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The White Sox weren't a failing franchise before Reinsdorf. Fuck that was hard to type, but it's true.

Kraft ONLY has 6 and will NEVER get the lucky 7th title after he ran Brady out of town. He's also a loser. Uncle Jerry is literally undefeated in a championship series. I like owners who are 7-0.

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They had gone half a century without winning a title.

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"only 6"

And Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky "only" has 29 career INTs!

I went from 1990-1991 which was the Bulls first title.

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He didn't win shit. He collected 100's of millions. THAT he won. Just like a lottery.

man, that 1998 team had become so worn down. You can justly criticize Krause for being such an idiot, but blowing up the team so you didn't end up like the Celtics WAS a good idea. All the other stuff was dumb.

Krause made some terrible picks over the years and bought more and more into his own hype. Anyone remember Kris Burton? He took special pride in finding these wacky out in the boondocks players instead of the more logical picks, and that was partly fueled by his drafting of Pippen.

Having said all that, he did make some shrewd moves. First off, Stacy King SHOULD have been a really good player. And for a while, he was pretty decent. Scott Williams was an excellent role player. Getting Rodman for Perdue was the right move, and you can shift as much praise to Jackson as you want for letting him do what he wanted....he was the biggest reason they beat the Sonics for the fourth championship.

Kukoc was really dumb though, even thought it ended up working out. It wasn't a dumb pick, the whole process and proclamation was the dumb part.

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It's fewer than 7. No owner in any sport has more championships than Uncle Jerry has over the past 30 years. That's a fact. Maybe 1 or 2 won more championships in the history of sports.

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That doesn't mean they were a failing franchise.

That's not how it works. You get credit for the teams that you own winning.

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If you prefer losing, I'm okay with that too.

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Yeah, building the United Center really gave the Bulls the competitive edge they were so obviously lacking.

Add "Reinsdorf turned around the Bulls" to Nas' ever-growing list of bad thoughts, previously headlined by the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky love.

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I can't believe how shortsighted this opinion is. Uncle Jerry owes his success to one man. And when that one man came to get paid, Reinsdorf disrespected him. Yeah, he paid him, but he sure the fuck didn't want to and told him so to his face.

That's Jerry Reinsdorf the man. The shyster, the moneylender, the landlord, the evictor, the schemer. All the stereotypes? He fullfilled most of them. Him and that other tribesman.

He drafted power forward after power forward seemingly every season. He never got much out of any draft pick on his roster post 87 other than B.J

Stacey King actually was good during his rookie season but he fizzled out after that. He wasn't really much of a reach as that's where most had him to go in the draft. When you consider that he was a lottery pick it has to be considered a flop though. By the time they got going Scott Williams (undrafted free agent) was stealing minutes from him.

When I think of the really really good GMs from that era Krause doesn't even approach the top 5. Probably not the top 10 either. They were mostly winning in spite of his decisions and not because of them.

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Jordan just started magically started winning titles on his own. He couldn't even make the playoffs when he left the Bulls.

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Who? Is that a sport? Next you'll mention Tiger Woods or Roger Federer.

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Well to say that it means you're basically ignorant of the discussion in this entire thread, last night's two episodes of the Last Dance, the past 35 years of Bulls talk including on this site, your own Bulls posts here, online Bulls talk generally, and any time the Krause/MJ/Jackson dynamic was discussed on TV, in the papers, on the radio, and amongst friends and fans.

To give you the benefit of the doubt I'll admit that exploring how Jordan and the Bulls rose to success in the late '80s and '90s isn't something that's been really discussed at length anywhere, so in some ways it's understandable why you could be utterly clueless.

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I simply replied to what you said. "No owner in any sport has more championships than Uncle Jerry has over the past 30 years," is factually incorrect.

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You were shitting in Pampers when the Bulls were losing to Pistons. Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time but he didn't build a winner by himself. He's seen over the past 20 years how hard it is to build a playoff team let alone a championship team.

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