If you prefer losing, I'm okay with that too.

You were shitting in Pampers when the Bulls were losing to Pistons. Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time but he didn't build a winner by himself. He's seen over the past 20 years how hard it is to build a playoff team let alone a championship team.

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You were shitting in Pampers when the Bulls were losing to Pistons. Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time but he didn't build a winner by himself. He's seen over the past 20 years how hard it is to build a playoff team let alone a championship team.

I still think you're trolling but will take you seriously nonetheless. Reinsdorf had nothing to do with building a team around Jordan except for authorizing expenses and signing checks. It's not that hard to comprehend.

There is a reason that they were know as the Jordannaires at the time. That team was Jordan, Pippen a little of Grant and a collection of NBA washouts.

Rodman was the only guy that had ever really accomplished anything Pre Jordan. Cartwright was a solid Center early in his career but he was on his last legs (literally) by the time he came to the Bulls. There were a number of guys that were on their way out of the league and playing with Jordan saved them.

He hired the fucking GM who hired the coach and signed the complimentary players. If this is you take, you can't give any owners credit for winning titles. The extremes you all are willing to go to discredit Uncle Jerry is mindboggling.

I do give him credit - I think 10% is fair, like I said above. The way you're talking you'd think the man scouted Scottie Pippen himself. He had no idea who Pippen was until he saw a contract on his desk with Pippen's name on it and a post-it note that said "sign here" on the last page.

Surely you will acknowledge that Jordan went nearly a decade without winning a championship. That means someone had to find the Jordannaires. Outside of purchasing a team, he hasn't had a lot of basketball success the past 22 years.

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Jordan the owner and Jordan the player are two separate things.

How successful was Krause post Jordan? These are his %post Jordan. 26% 20% 18% 26% 37%.

Outside of Pippen, who was actually a Marty Blake and not Krause discovery, what were the genius moves that Krause made? Rodman was a no brainer. The Spurs gave him away. What were all of the other moves which suggested that Krause was really good at his job?

If you feel this way about all owners then I have no issue with your position on this.

Kukoc and the accumulation of complimentary players that helped the Bulls win 6 rings are important.

You know that the Spurs gave him away because they and no one else wanted to touch the cancer.

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man, that 1998 team had become so worn down. You can justly criticize Krause for being such an idiot, but blowing up the team so you didn't end up like the Celtics WAS a good idea. All the other stuff was dumb.

Krause made some terrible picks over the years and bought more and more into his own hype. Anyone remember Kris Burton? He took special pride in finding these wacky out in the boondocks players instead of the more logical picks, and that was partly fueled by his drafting of Pippen.

Having said all that, he did make some shrewd moves. First off, Stacy King SHOULD have been a really good player. And for a while, he was pretty decent. Scott Williams was an excellent role player. Getting Rodman for Perdue was the right move, and you can shift as much praise to Jackson as you want for letting him do what he wanted....he was the biggest reason they beat the Sonics for the fourth championship.

Kukoc was really dumb though, even thought it ended up working out. It wasn't a dumb pick, the whole process and proclamation was the dumb part.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Kukoc was never the player that Krause envisioned him to be. According to Krause Kukoc was going to be a star. Solid role player at best. They would have won with or without him and I was a fan of Kukoc's. Always thought he was unfairly treated by not only the players but the media too.

Guys like William's, Hodges, Hanson, Kerr, Buechler, Neely, etc were no more instrumental when came to winning than the man on the moon.

There were other GMs that were much much better at iding talent. He had the benefit of having the best player ever. That was the difference. Surrounding Jordan with complimentary players wasn't all that tough.

If you want see the greatness of Krause just look at his draft picks. They stunk. That's why they were never any good under him post Jordan.

Statements like that solidify your blackness.

Surrounding great players with the right mix of complimentary players is tough. Riley is one of the greatest of all time as is Jerry West and neither were able to pull the same thing off in the free agency era. West even had 2 top 10 players of all time.

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West is the greatest I've seen. The fact that he couldn't win more with 2 top 10 all time greats and the greatest coach tells you how hard it is and also how great Jordan was.

Riley would probably be 2nd after West for me. The same applies. He had 3 great young players and only won 2. It's difficult to find the right complimentary guys.

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Who are the 2 top 10 all time greats that you continuously reference?
If you mean Magic and Kareem then there are good reasons for that.

Magic and Kareem were before the free agency era, I'm talking about Shaq and Kobe.

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Shaq isn't regarded as a top 10 All time player and I doubt that Kobe is either.

Good job throwing "doubt" in there, even though you didn't mean it.

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I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

We know Carmelo is #1, but who ya got 2-10?

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Jordan Bell followed by Lance Make Her Dance Stephenson with Taj and MCW rounding out the top 10.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

Kobe wouldn't be in my top 10 players all time. Just hadn't had time to think about it much. That's why I thought he was talking about Magic and Kareem.

Kobe wouldn't be in my top 10 players all time. Just hadn't had time to think about it much. That's why I thought he was talking about Magic and Kareem.

Shaq isn't regarded as a top 10 All time player and I doubt that Kobe is either.

Man oh man, I have to see your top ten list after that statement.

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No particular order but obviously Jordan would be #1
Jordan
Wilt.
Magic
Kareem
Lebron
Duncan
Bird
Oscar
Hakeem
Dr.J