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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:22 am 
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I offer you this deal:

An owner is going to purchase 2 Chicago franchises and own them for 40 years. He will win 7 titles between them. The last 10 years of that ownership will be very frustrating.

Do you take the deal? Do you believe any two Chicago franchises in the next 40 years will combine for more than 7 titles?


Get a load of Brick Bernstein here!

No wonder he was the last person listening to Bernstein and Goff

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:30 am 
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Starting to remember some of this stuff now. Pippen's first contract was renegotiated. They tore it and extended so that he could make more money on the final 2 years of it. As part of the extension 5 additional years were added to it. At the time Reinsdorf told Pippen that he shouldn't take it because if he did then the deal wasn't going to be renegotiated again.

By 1995 Pippen's contract couldn't be renegotiated anyway. The players and owners signed a new collective bargaining agreement which forbade the renegotiation of contracts.
There is little that Reinsdorf could be blamed for in this. Pippen signed a bad deal. That's on him. Jordan was the most underpaid basketball player in the history of the league. He never publicly complained nor did he ever ask for his contract to be renegotiated. His deal was much worse than Pippen's yet he sucked it up and played. Except for the nearly 2 years that he sat out for baseball. If I remember it correctly Reinsdorf still paid him his Bulls salary while he was in retirement. Could be wrong but that was how I remember it.

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Under one of the provisions of the new six-year plan, which NBA players also have approved, Pippen can't have his contract renegotiated. Pippen has three years left on his current contract and will be paid $3 million this season.

When a guy's franchise's value goes up 250 times his original investment and revenues are over $200 million a year, is there a time for thanks? Say, for example, just in a small way, let the boys defend their dynasty? Let the fans who paid the freight, see the boys defend their dynasty? Or should everybody eat shit and have to listen to "Players don't win championships, organizations do"?


They were done and everyone knew it before the season. Phil was definitely leaving and they would have had to pay both Jordan and Pippen Max Money. Pippen was never the same after that. Jordan was getting old. Lot of tread on the tires. There would not have been much left for the supporting cast after they got their money.
When Jordan hit the shot on Russell everyone knew that was it. There was even an overriding thought that would not have won had it gone to a game 7.

If you look at what occurred after that season for the players on the team there wasn't much. Rodman was 37 and out of the league shortly after that season.

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I offer you this deal:

An owner is going to purchase 2 Chicago franchises and own them for 40 years. He will win 7 titles between them. The last 10 years of that ownership will be very frustrating.

Do you take the deal? Do you believe any two Chicago franchises in the next 40 years will combine for more than 7 titles?


6 of those titles were guaranteed because he was lucky enough to inherit the GOAT. And he personally cost the team at least one more title by blowing it up.

So were talking 40 years of ownership that produced one title without the advantage of having the GOAt and actually was a net negative on titles since it could be argued he cost the team at least 1, maybe 2 titles by being too cheap and/or ambivalent to keep it going.

He's a shit owner when you remove MJ from the equation.

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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The Bulls were going to win multiple titles no matter what because it's the NBA and it's pretty damn easy to win titles in basketball when you have the GOAT. Fucking Bill Wirtz could have won championships with MJ.
Probably.

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An owner is going to purchase a baseball team and own them for 40 years. He will make the playoffs 5 times in that period despite the number of teams in the AL qualifying for posteason play increasing from 2 to 4 to 5 during that span. In 4 of those 5 playoff appearances, the team will be out in the first round. He will continually be near the bottom of the league in salary despite playing in the country's #3 market in a division of midsize market midgets. Do you take the deal?
No. I guess if you think that Jerry's legacy won't include the Bulls then that is how you would look at it.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I offer you this deal:

An owner is going to purchase 2 Chicago franchises and own them for 40 years. He will win 7 titles between them. The last 10 years of that ownership will be very frustrating.

Do you take the deal? Do you believe any two Chicago franchises in the next 40 years will combine for more than 7 titles?


6 of those titles were guaranteed because he was lucky enough to inherit the GOAT. And he personally cost the team at least one more title by blowing it up.

So were talking 40 years of ownership that produced one title without the advantage of having the GOAt and actually was a net negative on titles since it could be argued he cost the team at least 1, maybe 2 titles by being too cheap and/or ambivalent to keep it going.

He's a shit owner when you remove MJ from the equation.

As I said before though, if you take all the owners of all teams in history, and subtract titles won with the best player they ever had, the number of owners with more than 1 title is incredibly small.

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I offer you this deal:

An owner is going to purchase 2 Chicago franchises and own them for 40 years. He will win 7 titles between them. The last 10 years of that ownership will be very frustrating.

Do you take the deal? Do you believe any two Chicago franchises in the next 40 years will combine for more than 7 titles?


I don't see the Babe Ruth of basketball mentioned anywhere in this scenario. I don't see anything about an owner siding with a GM over the desires of 3 HOF players and a HOF coach. One of which built him a stadium and also made him rich beyond his belief.


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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
[An owner is going to purchase a baseball team and own them for 40 years. He will make the playoffs 5 times in that period despite the number of teams in the AL qualifying for posteason play increasing from 2 to 4 to 5 during that span. In 4 of those 5 playoff appearances, the team will be out in the first round. He will continually be near the bottom of the league in salary despite playing in the country's #3 market in a division of midsize market midgets. Do you take the deal?

Your forgot to include...
1) The owner is also going to force a league-wide strike in the year your team has a very good chance of winning the world series
2) The owner is going to pre-maturely move games to Pay TV subscriptions 20 years before the norm
3) The owner is going to let what could be a national landmark deteriorate into condemnable shithole in order to replace it with a sterile, generic mall-park

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
[An owner is going to purchase a baseball team and own them for 40 years. He will make the playoffs 5 times in that period despite the number of teams in the AL qualifying for posteason play increasing from 2 to 4 to 5 during that span. In 4 of those 5 playoff appearances, the team will be out in the first round. He will continually be near the bottom of the league in salary despite playing in the country's #3 market in a division of midsize market midgets. Do you take the deal?

Your forgot to include...
1) The owner is also going to force a league-wide strike in the year your team has a very good chance of winning the world series
2) The owner is going to pre-maturely move games to Pay TV subscriptions 20 years before the norm
3) The owner is going to let what could be a national landmark deteriorate into condemnable shithole in order to replace it with a sterile, generic mall-park

4) The owner is going to blame the fans for his own habits of being a cheap, miserable bastard.

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Looks like BRick's offering is DOA.


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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Nardi wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I offer you this deal:

An owner is going to purchase 2 Chicago franchises and own them for 40 years. He will win 7 titles between them. The last 10 years of that ownership will be very frustrating.

Do you take the deal? Do you believe any two Chicago franchises in the next 40 years will combine for more than 7 titles?


I don't see the Babe Ruth of basketball mentioned anywhere in this scenario. I don't see anything about an owner siding with a GM over the desires of 3 HOF players and a HOF coach. One of which built him a stadium and also made him rich beyond his belief.
Championships still count when you have a great player.

Who is the best owner in the NBA?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I offer you this deal:

An owner is going to purchase 2 Chicago franchises and own them for 40 years. He will win 7 titles between them. The last 10 years of that ownership will be very frustrating.

Do you take the deal? Do you believe any two Chicago franchises in the next 40 years will combine for more than 7 titles?


I don't see the Babe Ruth of basketball mentioned anywhere in this scenario. I don't see anything about an owner siding with a GM over the desires of 3 HOF players and a HOF coach. One of which built him a stadium and also made him rich beyond his belief.
Championships still count when you have a great player.

Who is the best owner in the NBA?

I don't know. The guy who feels his biggest responsibility is to the fans of the city.


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Mark Cuban is a great owner

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Mark Cuban is a great owner

He didn't even draft Dirk!

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I offer you this deal:

An owner is going to purchase 2 Chicago franchises and own them for 40 years. He will win 7 titles between them. The last 10 years of that ownership will be very frustrating.

Do you take the deal? Do you believe any two Chicago franchises in the next 40 years will combine for more than 7 titles?


I don't see the Babe Ruth of basketball mentioned anywhere in this scenario. I don't see anything about an owner siding with a GM over the desires of 3 HOF players and a HOF coach. One of which built him a stadium and also made him rich beyond his belief.
Championships still count when you have a great player.

Who is the best owner in the NBA?


There really is no best owner. Its whoever happens to win the championship during that particular year. Or the guy that wins multiple championships.

Right now most people would say that it's the owner of the Warriors. If he is around for the next 15 years and they win nothing he might be the most vilified. That stuff is so fickle as if to not even much matter.


During the 90's the Bulls were considered one of the best run franchises in the league. Reinsdorf was considered one of the best owners in all of sports. He hasn't done anything differently other than not win. Thus the perception of him changed.

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 Post subject: Re: Jerry Reinsdorf
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Mark Cuban is a great owner

He didn't even draft Dirk!


He got someone who may be better...

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Who is the best owner in the NBA?

The guy who moved the Pistons out of the exurbs and back downtown

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Who is the best owner in the NBA?

The guy who moved the Pistons out of the exurbs and back downtown


The other team owners would say Ballmer. So would a third of LA.

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Is this dipshit dead yet?

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Fuck the NBA. That includes all of the owners and their commissioner.

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Is this dipshit dead yet?

I expect the White Sox lack of defense to kill him within the week.


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