https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA5g4v9hjMQ

DRAFT HIM

That video, "Justin Herbert is Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, but cranked up to 11" stoked your enthusiasm for Herbert?

80% of Kollman's analysis is negative:
inconsistent
Jekyll-and-Hyde
not trusted by his coaches
polarizing
frustrating
difficulty reading coverage
plagued by dumb decisions
late throws
throws receivers into contact
highlights were lucky
lowlights were really low
four-year college starter who still needs extensive development before he can play in the NFL

Oh, but he had a great game against Colorado!

This is the guy you want the Bears to sacrifice more draft picks to acquire despite the team's lack of talent across the roster?

Thanks, but I'll pass.

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Clearly I was being a little cheeky.

I respect Kollman a lot and those are some valid criticisms, but he also didn't like Mahomes coming out of school. To me the most glaring red flag is that he was a starter all those years and Kollman thinks the playcalling was specifically designed to protect him even in his senior year.

I would like a bit more of a gunslinger, Jordan Love is probably the most gunslinger-y QB in this class.

Jake Fromm would be a good, safe pick at QB in the 2nd round. Never looked back after the starter ahead of him went down at Georgia, played at a high level for a couple years against many future NFL defensive starters in the SEC.. he’s not a sexy pick, but I think he’d do fine at the next level with a team like the Bears. And he should be there in the 2nd when the Bears take their 1st pick.


He’s even got some athleticism too, tho there’s better QB’s for that. But point is, he’s not a statue.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

FUCK NO

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Liked him on the show QB1.

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As I said in another thread -I don’t think they will pick him or any QB, but I actually think picking a QB there in the 2nd is the right move.


Fromm would be perfect for this defensive minded team. He’ll be a good game manager type that will run the offense how it’s supposed to be run.


What specifically do you not like about him?

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Not accurate enough to be an NFL starter.

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He lost 5 receivers from his sophomore year to his junior year, and was on target for a lot of his passes. Completed over 67% his sophomore year, and over 62% his freshman year including helping the team to an NC appearance.. his accuracy is fine.


What else?

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Great football minds think alike

viewtopic.php?f=72&t=120232&p=3371691&hilit=fromm#p3371691

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

So it sounds like you've changed your mind that the Bears should trade up to get this guy?

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He’s not good.

Just below average.

I watched more than a handful of Georgia games throughout his career.

I do not remember him dominating any good teams.

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Well its hard to say because you'd really have to interview the players themselves and call the coaches to get straight answers about some of these things. Herbet's arm talent is unmatched, even Love (who has a cannon) isn't in Herbert's tier. Burrow isn't either, but Burrow is basically elite at everything else and his arm is still pretty good. There is no question that Burrow is the best QB prospect in a long time.

If the Bears think they can get Herbert to open things up and trust his arm more then absolutely he's the right pick. If they dont think he'll ever have that mentality, well then its a different story.

He doesn't seem to have any ability to read coverage after four years as a starter.

Even against Colorado, his signature game, he wasn't necessarily making the right reads. Rather, he was making awesome throws, something he evidently struggles to do with any consistency.

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Herbert's Blaine Gabbert. He's gonna suck

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Ok, so nothing really specific. He’s not flashy, I’ll give you that. But he started for one of the SEC’s biggest programs pretty much from day 1 and was good enough to beat out Justin Fields (Ohio State) to land and keep that job.


His INT to TD rate is really good and he’s basically been facing NFL level defenses for 3 years running a legit offense.. he’s a safe pick at worst. I guarantee if the Bears picked him you wouldn’t hate him once he started playing.


I also feel like he’s the type of guy that could go on to look much better in the NFL than he was in college, just something about him that cones off that way.

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I agree with that post. He’s not gonna jump off the screen when you watch him, but he makes the correct throws and runs the offense like he knows what he’s doing. He also goes thru progressions (at least in the games I’ve seen him play). I’ve been watching him a few games a year for the last 3 years and have always liked what I’ve seen.


Again, not a jump off the screen at you type, but he’s a by the numbers type of guy that goes out there and does his job. I’ll take that all day over what we’ve had.

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He's a game manager when he had a ridiculous amount of talent on offense surrounding him. He'll look much worse in the NFL.

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I’m not a fan.

I don’t remember him dominating any good defenses.

I don’t think he got better after his freshman year.

You don’t draft a mediocre QB in the second round when there are glaring needs elsewhere.

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Hogg had Brugler on his podcast. Hogg said the offensive line has problems then started asking him about tight-end and safety and then quarterback. I thought he would ask Brugler about offensive line help but he didn't. Taking into account Whitehair's issues with snapping the ball it looks to me like there are questions at 4 of the 5 positions. It could be a complete disaster. I don't think dumpster diving is the answer at this point.

This is a prediction that may change between now and the draft but here goes:

I think Pace is going to trade into the mid-first and not give up 2.43 or 2.50 to do it. I'm eyeing 1.18 as the most obvious spot, but really 1.20 is no less a possibility. There will be a team that doesnt really intend on competing much in 2020 and cannot resist the Bears offering what could easily be a ton ten or even top five overall pick in 2021. The Bears are so bad and so clearly destined for a disaster season that their 2021 pick has some weight to it. They'll chuck in something else,maybe another pick or two, but it'll happen.

I dont think Phillips and McCaskeys will stop him either. They may try and talk him out of it but Pace will recollect 2018 when his rookie class was instrumental in a huge season.

Then Pace turns around and drafts Jordan Love, the closest replica in this draft to the player he passed on in 2017. Then in the second he goes WR/OL and pushes all of his chips in.

They cannot give up next years #1. If they do Pace should be fired immediately.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Plausible, but next year 1 isn't enough.

Probably not, but its damn near close. Fact is an enterprising team is going to see that all the draft picks in the world aren't going to move the Bears from six wins to ten wins and that the 2021 first is almost certainly going to be a higher pick than eighteen-ish.

And then the odds that the Bears season just completely falls apart and they win four games? Really good, definitely better than most teams. Only Cleveland and the Jets have as high disaster potential as the Bears, maybe the Redskins but I dont think Chico isn't going to let Haskins play if he is gonna ruin their year.

My guess is it costs 2021 first and third plus some draft position in the second. Maybe giving up 2.50 to 3.70.

If Foles gets hurt the Bears may be a three win team. They are abysmal.

If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is hurt that may be true.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Nagy running the same fucking plays for three straights years would be hard to overcome for a talented offense.

Now imagine instead of a talented offense the worst offensive line in the sport, the worst tight ends in the sport and the worst backfield in the sport. Two good wide receivers and a fancy gadget back who is criminally misued.

And at the helm? Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Gonna be ugly.

I want Claypool. He's a beast.

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He would be an interesting pick. Big as a tight end. He ran a 4.42. Crazy for a guy his size.

The D likely has another good year left and that likely gets you into the same situation as last year, 7-8 wins despite poor QB play. It does seem that ownership has told Pace that he's on the hot seat, because he has had to admit mistakes and move on from many of his misses, even reading where they are trying to move Shaheen, meaning they likely release him because cannot see anyone giving up a pick for him. GM's that are feeling the heat from ownership tend to do strange things, and when Pace gets locked in on a guy he doesn't mind mortgaging the future.