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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:19 pm 
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What exactly was it? Great GM? Good GM? Bad GM? Overrated GM?

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Insecure guy who couldn't handle success.

That history will/has crush(ed) him this hard isn't that equitable though.

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Good GM that did a great job surrounding a great player with the right guys necessary to win.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:30 pm 
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Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.

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Good GM. Got pretty lucky at times but you make your own luck. He held grudges. He had tremendous jowels. He once ate a whole side of beef.

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Hearing that Tim Floyd and Uncle Jerry had to convince him not to replace Phil during the 1996 NBA Finals is hilarious.

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Good GM who let his insecurities overcome him.

His drafts were pretty bad outside of 87.

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Good GM who let his insecurities overcome him.

His drafts were pretty bad outside of 87.


Check my avatar and revise your post.

For shame

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Got him in the vastly overrated camp. Bulls won with him but not necessarily because of him. Post Jordan era was horrendous and extremely reflective of his talents as a GM

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Got him in the vastly overrated camp. Bulls won with him but not necessarily because of him. Post Jordan era was horrendous and extremely reflective of his talents as a GM

This is a bad thought.

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Good guy , bought dessert .

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Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.



Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.

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Got him in the vastly overrated camp. Bulls won with him but not necessarily because of him. Post Jordan era was horrendous and extremely reflective of his talents as a GM

This is a bad thought.


If have the facts to back it up.

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Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


He definitely took his "Sleuth" persona a little too far at times.

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The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.

Yes a thousand times. Everybody thinks they are better than everybody else, but probably not, and luck drives so much of it that you really can't tell.

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Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.



Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


Maybe 97 times out of 100. He liked Kukoc, Mcgrady and Pippen.

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He was right about McGrady, but that would have ended the dynasty.

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Nas wrote:
Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.



Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


Maybe 97 times out of 100. He liked Kukoc, Mcgrady and Pippen.


Add Phil Jackson to the list.

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He was terrible at basketball scouting. Regarded as a very good baseball scout though

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He was terrible at basketball scouting. Regarded as a very good baseball scout though


I think he died scouting for the Yankees.

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He was an asshole who could’ve been a lot more successful if he was half as smart as he thought he was.

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Nas wrote:
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Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.



Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


Maybe 97 times out of 100. He liked Kukoc, Mcgrady and Pippen.


Add Phil Jackson to the list.


And Harold Baines.

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He was an asshole who could’ve been a lot more successful if he was half as smart as he thought he was.


He was an asshole but he was pretty damn successful. He found spot up shooters all the damn time.

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Nas wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.



Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


Maybe 97 times out of 100. He liked Kukoc, Mcgrady and Pippen.


Add Phil Jackson to the list.


And Harold Baines.



Baines was Bill Veeck's neighbor.

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He was an asshole who could’ve been a lot more successful if he was half as smart as he thought he was.


He was an asshole but he was pretty damn successful. He found spot up shooters all the damn time.

:lol: That’s not really hard to do. He inherited the GOAT and made a few really good moves, most importantly the Pippen one. Who knows how successful he would’ve been if he didn’t blow that up.

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Good GM but always wanted to be the greatest scout.



Yeah. He was like the modern fantasy player. He always wanted to find the guy no one else knew about. The problem with that is that 99 out of 100 times the reason no one knows about a guy is because he sucks.


Maybe 97 times out of 100. He liked Kukoc, Mcgrady and Pippen.


Add Phil Jackson to the list.


And Harold Baines.


Didn't know that.

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Good GM who let his insecurities overcome him.

His drafts were pretty bad outside of 87.


Check my avatar and revise your post.

For shame


That does count, and he obviously gets credit for Toni.

I was speaking more in terms of first round picks.

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He wasn't even the guy that "discovered" Pippen either.

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He was an asshole who could’ve been a lot more successful if he was half as smart as he thought he was.


He was an asshole but he was pretty damn successful. He found spot up shooters all the damn time.

:lol: That’s not really hard to do. He inherited the GOAT and made a few really good moves, most importantly the Pippen one. Who knows how successful he would’ve been if he didn’t blow that up.


Jordan wasn't goat when Krause came on board. The few really good moves you mean are two different teams that won three rings each.

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veganfan21 wrote:
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He was an asshole who could’ve been a lot more successful if he was half as smart as he thought he was.


He was an asshole but he was pretty damn successful. He found spot up shooters all the damn time.

:lol: That’s not really hard to do. He inherited the GOAT and made a few really good moves, most importantly the Pippen one. Who knows how successful he would’ve been if he didn’t blow that up.


Jordan wasn't goat when Krause came on board. The few really good moves you mean are two different teams that won three rings each.


Jordan had only been in the league for a year when Krause came aboard.

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