We use google meet for conferencing with students and zoom for meetings with other teachers. There were teachers who voiced concerns that kids could potentially do something inappropriate or accuse them of doing something inappropriate. Our district does not want us recording meetings with students. I think there needs to be some type of consent form signed for that but not 100% sure. So it was determined that teachers would pair up when meeting. Most have been flexible like myself and pair up with multiple teachers to make sure we see all of our students every week.

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What shit show of red tape. Thanks chas!

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they handed out like 18000 ipads to LA Highschool kids, immediately realized a security problem and and recalled all of them. less than 8000 were returned.

There has to be a waiver in order to record. All of the parents would have to consent to it.

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Starting to hear rumblings that ELearning will be the order of the day for next school year.

May not be a way to avoid it if they don't get a handle on this

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Might as well cancel school if you're trying to start a year with e-learning. My kids and their teachers are doing what they can to get through May and be done, but the actual learning seems pretty poor. It's mostly a little busy work to check the box that they are working.

Isn't that what the government does? Give the appearance they are working really hard for the good of the public when very little is being accomplished and send carefully constructed motivational messages that are filled with jargon and bullshit.

There is always private education.

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They are online also because the government has shut them down. I'd bet most would be open if not for that.

IMO the private school system has handled this better than the public. The teachers and administrators have been more communicative than their public counterparts with better direction. I don't know if that's because they are at 2 different levels but friends have not been impressed with the public high school. But it's not an option for everybody and that's unfortunate.

Do you care that schools are closed? It seems you think they should be for safety reasons.

They probably have. Great for them.I haven't been particularly impressed with them. Most private school educators aren't really qualified to teach the subjects that they are assigned to teach. To each his/ her own however.

I doubt seriously that they would be open right now and if they were I doubt seriously that most parents would rush to send their children in to attend them.

Could you imagine the guilt that the averqge parent would face if their child happened to die as a result of the parent knowingly placing them in harm's way? The parents that I know would never be able to live that down.

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Completely anecdotal but here is how it looks for us.

4th grader in public school and Kindergartener in private school.

Public - Once a week meeting with kids for 45 minutes. Once a week email with assignments for the week and more on Google Classroom. Teachers available via email with spotty response rates.

Private - No meetings. Daily emails with assignments and messages to the kids.

Different needs obviously for both.

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I think that the individual teacher has a lot to do with how kids and parents respond.

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For sure.

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At the Secondary level it has much more to do with whether the grades actually matter or not.

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Starting a school year with junior high kids without ever meeting them would be awfully hard. I am also finding a lot of our students are actually babysitting their younger siblings during the day.

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Is your answer to not educate children or let them out the house until there is a vaccine? Or a year or more from now? Why would they take on any guilt or feel they are putting them in harm's way? A school, the government, and anything else cannot protect them from a virus in a pandemic.

I know this is probably a stretch, but I'll ask, anyways....you got anything to back this up?

So then why do they let them go to school in high risk hoods anyway? Why do they let them roam the streets at all times of the day and night. The only time a lot of these parents seem to care about their kids is when they can monetise them.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Yes they can. By keeping their doors closed. I presume that you don't care to know this because it doesn't involve you but I will simply say this. At the end of February I know of an Autistic kid that passed away in his sleep. About 2-3 weeks later another Autistic kid from the same program passed away. His death occurred around March 13th-March 14th. At the time no one that I know actually thought that it may be connected to the Coronavirus. Discussions on it weren't prevalent at the time.

We just found it odd that two kids from the same program would happen to die at virtually the same time. If I were a betting person I would venture a guess that they died from the virus. There is a,probability that one of them transferred it to the other one. If I were the parent of either it would crush me to know that my child contracted it at school.


As far as education goes when there is a safety issue involved school can always be suspended. There is no perfect solution to this but you cannot have achools open if you are a short circuiting the rest of society. Schools are in fact ground zero for transmission of this. There is no way that you could ever hope to implement it. Particularly in a high school setting.

At the elementary and high school levels you are trusting kids to practice proper hygiene in the hope that they won't transmit it. Highly unlikely.

What if a child contracted it at school and brought it home only to transfer to you or your husband? Then what? This is not to be played with. I originally thought that in the beginning. I believed that it was a short term speed bump but the more I read I discover that it isn't.

Most of the people pontificating on here about the shut down are people that really aren't on the frontlines with this.

There are plenty of children that are home schooled these days. There are plenty that are enrolled exclusively in Learning courses. It's no substitute for hands on instruction imo but if it's the best that we have currently then it's the best we have. You can't have kids ripping through schools transmitting this. Too risky right now.

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You do realize that the median income and avg educational level of the parents residing in "these" places exceeds yours don't you?

I'd expect no less from the asshole who has the temerity to call a place a "shithole" which he couldn't fathom to pay for on his best day. No doubt as to why you feel that way either.

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https://sec1.isbe.net/ELISPublicInquiry ... ators.aspx

You can search anyone's certification on that link.

For a long time the Arch had a separate pay scale for non certified staff but have gotten away from that in recent years. You can still teach in Catholic high schools and charter schools with out being certified. Though it is not as common as it used to be.

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Cliff notes version, conns, please. Jeebus that thing is archaic.


I was looking for a stat like: 47% of private school teachers hold certificates in their subject matter as compared to 54% of public school instructors.

I just made that up as an example, clearly. I don't think either is true, much less what was originally posted as "MOST are not qualified" to teach.

Why would it matter if they contracted it at school? Is your expectation of people that they are literally not suppose to go anywhere or see anybody for a year or more? Or is education no longer that important? We don't even have accurate statistics on infection rates.

I'm not qualified to teach my children and I do not have the patience or the time to do it full time day in and day out. I will if that's what it comes to but then maybe I should be in line for the salary/pension that IL will have a hard time funding.

I was enrolled in school. My education has been put on hold in a field that will have a difficult time recovering. I'm thinking about going and getting a stock job at our Jewel just for something to do and to help the people I see weekly.

Do you recognize the other side of the shut down? Some people don't have a government job that will pay them with benefits til whenever. Stay inside indefinitely isn't an option for most and they would face some of the same risks to their health. They are facing consequences you are insulated from.



I think most teachers get advanced degrees for the bump in pay. Whether or not this translates into being a better teacher I'm not so sure. At this point I'd rather have a normal teacher that is willing to show up than one that is really really smart that want indefinite elearning.

Do you hear yourself? Two kids died. There is a strong possibility that they died from this virus. You don't care about it because it doesn't quite correspond with what you want to do.

It's no one's fault that your stuff isn't in order. You were just gloating about living in a "suburb" where people have money just last week. You appear to be terribly self absorbed/self consumed and come across as if you really can care less about anyone else's feelings just as long as you can get your kids out the house. Well newsflash. Most parents in this country do not possess your views. They would rather have their children healthy and safe as opposed to forcing schools to babysit them.

It helps that I'm getting paid but it wouldn't matter that much if I weren't. My health is more important than that. They don't have a vaccine nor do they have enough tests available for the sort of thing that you describe. Until they do it might be necessary to shut things down.

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The wifes union told her to start preparing for eLearning in the fall. I dont think there is any way to try and have these kids together and not expect the infection rates to soar. I know mine are absolutely disgusting and I cant imagine any other grade school or Jr. High kids are very sanitary. Maybe they start to worry about cleanliness in HS a bit a lot of those kids would probably walk around coughing on each other thinking it is the funniest thing in the world.

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Mulli is Howard Stern in his prime compared to Haugh.

Selling your students short is a bad look for you.

And anyone else.

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Tens of thousands of people have died both here and world wide. It's sad and unfortunate and this has personally "touched" me. Understanding that people die during an epidemic is not about not caring because it doesn't correspond with what I want to do. I think that's an unfair assessment to make.

I have no idea why you think my stuff isn't in order (and maybe it isn't) or that I gloated about living in a suburb where people have money.

I'm extremely self absorbed,my kids are fine, and schools have never babysat them. I think that is an unfortunate remark or I take it as one. I'd love for you to explain what you meant by it. Honestly, it's a little offensive.

I'd like them to be educated. I value education (I think you do too), what they'd like to do, and how they will function in society. I'd hope that most people in this country value for lack of a better word freedom. From a philosophical stand point, I don't think this is a good way to live. I'm not quite at JORR levels but we're in trouble and we are heading in the wrong direction. Elearning isn't very effective and it's completely useless in some applications/fields.

We're not safe from a virus. We won't be. How long do we isolate for? Til the government tells us? 5 weeks is more than enough but IL is going to go another 5 weeks based on almost nothing. For the children, for safety? This isn't sustainable even on the data that we have.

Considering that you have done nothing but offend everyone in the educational system for the past 4 weeks Ifeel quite comfortable making that remark.
You constantly claim that teachers do not care simply because they aren't willing to place themselves in an environment in which it is likely that they would contract a highly contagious disease.

I have previously attempted to explain that social distancing is impossible in a public school situation and not once have I seen you take it into account. I just told you that 2 children that I know have already died. Most likely from this. Not once did you reference it. You asked a question regarding why it makes a difference that it may have happened in school? Well because if it happened in school then obviously it was something that could have been avoided.

You even became upset because teachers weren't willing to sign a waiver. I presume simply so that your child can be out of the house. At no point have you ever considered anyone else's perspective but your own. With this being the case it wasn't really difficult to ascertain that you are self absorbed and rather self consumed.

Everyone's life has been effected. Not just yours. And if teachers or students were to succumb because they were placed in an environment that everyone knew was unsafe then their life as well as their loved ones are going to be effected even more.

Schools weren't shut down because of "greedy" teachers or even "incompetent" politicians. Schools were shut down because of the recommendations of people (doctors and scientists) that know and understand a helluva lot more about this than either you or I. Unlike you I tend to trust them and their assessment. If schools were opened and one of your children were to succumb because they contracted the virus there is no doubt that you would blast both the school and the system. You know what? you should because they placed your child in an unsafe and unhealthy environment. After you finish blaming them the next person that you should blame is yourself for choosing to do exactly the same thing.

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