How do you propose to stop them Chas?

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This really is one of the stupidest threads I've ever seen.

It's an exercise in moronic mental masturbation.

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LTG, couple of ways. They all require help from Europe. Majority of Chinas' close neighbors are uneasy with them. So getting them onboard would not be too hard.
1) slowly decoupling of manufacturing . This is #1 priority.We have to stop letting them have leverage over us. This crisis shows just how vulnerable we are . Just look at the price gouging they are doing on PPE.

2) a thorough investigation into this outbreak. not just release but spread . WHO needs to be restructured.Not only they need to be investigated but also Gates foundation as well as some other NGO . I would also investigate some state and local governments on how they handled it to improve responses in the future.

3) If it is proven that China is complacent in this then we need to follow the state of Missouri and let the lawsuits fly. If as we know the PLA will saber rattle that is when the next step comes into play,blockade. China needs oil. stop the flow. We have seen what it can do to a nation. For those who remarked about the artificial islands they made. Latest reports are showing they are falling apart.
At this time if they will not respond to the court rulings, we sieze assets,has been done before so there is ample precedent to do so.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Can you cite the science that supports that?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

There is one side driving the narrative that if you even question staying at home you are putting the stock market before lives. It's just a crazy notion.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Who's pushing this narrative that "if you even question staying at home you are putting the stock market before lives"?

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Pretty much everyone on the left.

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Every liberal boomer on Facebook. I can’t comment I. Conservative boomers because the ones I know don’t use Facebook.

Do you even watch the fucking News?

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I guess we can see why Trump is backing down from doing anything of substance toward China outside of empty rhetoric

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/2 ... ebt-205475

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“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

Yep.

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This hypothesis was already tested in Italy. The conclusion was reached after a laboratory experiment you might say. We didn't even have to speculate. Simply observe what happened there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/worl ... -care.html

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That isn't scientific. It's an opinion piece.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You see the Twitter threads?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

He doesn't actually deal in facts. He simply espouses the sort of propaganda that he typically eschews. Always the proverbial straw man argument.

Even if the left are promoting this sort of lunacy the right's hands aren't exactly clean. They continuously overinflate the "carnage" that will be caused by unemployment (even as people are receiving unemployment checks and small businesses as well corporate America are receiving hefty stimulus packages)

How often have we heard from those on the right that there will be"poverty" "mass suicide" "starvation" "homelessness" if they don't immediately pump the breaks on remain in place restrictions and open up the economy. It works both ways.

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I highly doubt that "even questioning" the stay at home orders is drawing massive criticism with the jump to "putting the stock market before lives".

I will say that there is plenty of hysteria on both sides. Mostly from the Right.

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They clearly based their conclusion on what they witnessed in Italy.

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80% of those polled agree with it. Sort of debunking the myth that it is a product of the "left".

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LTG,
you also have to look at all the data that feeds into the final numbers.Italy has socialized medicine.they also have fewer beds per person than we do. they have a higher mean age. they have more comorbidity than we do on average.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Source?

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How can anything be based in science when we do not even have enough testkits available to perform testing. I will simply look at what occurred in Italy and state that I hope that it doesn't happen here.

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use your google foo. Come on man, dont be a turd. The information is out there. This is why most people on here cant have a debate,they don't know how to do simple research ,all the do is knee jerk react and dont bother to research before they jump in,Im looking at you LTG and RR

here is some of it ,
Livescince.com

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

This is what I am trying to monitor currently. The percentage of death rate for the U.S. has been climbing in recent weeks.

The U.S. is about 30% of the total deaths currently even though we only comprise 4% of the World's population. I know the usual arguments "others aren't counting coronavirus deaths" "U.S. is inflating the number of Coronavirus deaths" "others aren't testing" will ensue but this should be a cause for concern. We have gone from about 15% 3 weeks ago to nearly 30% currently in a span of about 3 weeks.

That should be concerning.

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Th other thing about the deaths in the USA is look at where they are. The majority are in two places .NY state and NJ. both of them are not even top 5 in population in the USA. Why is that? I think is because of the reaction by the state /local governments there. Other large states reacted fast and with a determination to not let it spread and also tried to work with the POTUS even though they might not have seen eye to eye with him politically. Not Cuomo all he did was tell people it would not be an issue in NY because they had the best hospital and to just keep doing what ever what you wanted until it was too late. Plus,as in New York,the Italian numbers are being lowered as it is being shown they inflated numbers to get more help .

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

New York is top 5. New Jersey isn't. New York is a breeding ground because of the density. Its impossible to control it there without remain in place restrictions.

So are you a remain in place advocate?

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You said it. But a lack of test kits isn't an argument for just making shit up.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

He can't and won't. And I wonder how many people have died as a result of the extraordinary actions that hospitals have taken to NOT TREAT other ailments at the hospitals and clinics. Or how many people are worse healthwise because of their policies. For example, I screwed up my knee about four weeks ago and have been basically crippled and in significant pain. I called both the VA and my Health Plan provider, Kaiser, and neither would see me because of the virus. I have a teleconference next Monday with an orthopedic doctor.

Then yesterday I drove out to the VA hospital in Loma Linda to drop off the canes and walking sticks I made for disabled veterans and this huge hospital is on LOCKDOWN. I need to go to the bathroom and it took a act of congress to allow me to use the men's room there. There were very few people in this hospital and I have to wonder how many veterans are not getting treated that have serious health conditions that do need immediate care. My pain is one thing but for someone with something serious and life threatening, the lockdown of these hospitals and clinics are tragic as far as I am concerned.

I have to also ask why they didn't open up some hospitals for general care and others specifically for Covid treatment. Kind of what those hospital ships sent to NYC and LA were originally intended to be non-Covid treatment hospitals?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

It's known as an opinion. It's an opinion based on the events that occurred in Italy. The exact same events that they used to form their conclusions..

If I asked you to provide evidence that hospitals would not be overrun you wouldn't be able to provide it either though I'm sure that you would expect your opinion to be viewed as fact.

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I specified your assertion that other countries "have more comorbidity than we do on average".

I googled around and couldn't find anything. I've always heard that American citizens are generally less healthy than most other civilized nations around the world.

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