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Then you should have no problem home schooling your children if it comes to that.


And I get some of your salary and pension, right?

My kids will be fine, I think. The rest of society I'm a little concerned about.


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Then you should have no problem home schooling your children if it comes to that.


And I get some of your salary and pension, right?


Nah. You don't meet the residency requirements.

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We have the extremes, locally. A couple of districts you have to be offspring of existing faculty illuminati to get a sub job, inter-city district only requires a thready pulse, but the experience would make Mike Ehrmantraut sob into his pillow.


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inter-city district only requires a thready pulse, but the experience would make Mike Ehrmantraut sob into his pillow.


Yeah we used to refer to this as the "any warm body theory" :lol: :lol: The Sub game can be quite the crap shoot at times.

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Okay with the data just in this thread, if the burden for education is being pushed back onto the parents,ie home school. Let's face it if the kids are not going to a physical building but being taught at home they are in fact being in effect home school.Should not the education systems give money back ? We are seeing the higher levels doing it by refunding tuition and such. Why shouldn't CPS and other districts give money back because of this. Face it teachers are not teaching. popping in to a virtual chat for 20 minutes once a week is not an effective method for kids to learn. The burden is back on the parents. CPS teachers and administrators need to do like the rest of us and take a pay cut till things go back to normal,you know pitch in and help. Everyone is taking it in the ass why not the public educators as well,they are not an untouchable class of persons. If towns are laying off police and fire departments then maybe we can cut some of the fat from education as well.

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Everyone is taking it in the ass why not the public educators as well,they are not an untouchable class of persons.

Considering that guys like you have to provide a 1000 feet distance I guess that would make them untouchable.

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These fucking people.
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Elizabeth Bartholet told Harvard Magazine that it gives parents “authoritarian” control over their kids — and can even expose them to white supremacy and misogyny.

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Everyone is taking it in the ass why not the public educators as well,they are not an untouchable class of persons.

Considering that guys like you have to provide a 1000 feet I guess that would make them untouchable.


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Elizabeth Bartholet told Harvard Magazine that it gives parents “authoritarian” control over their kids — and can even expose them to white supremacy and misogyny.

Why not just say homeschooling your kid creates a socially awkward weirdo? I could get on board with that argument.

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Everyone is taking it in the ass why not the public educators as well,they are not an untouchable class of persons.

Considering that guys like you have to provide a 1000 feet distance I guess that would make them untouchable.


Once again,wrong.

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Everyone is taking it in the ass why not the public educators as well,they are not an untouchable class of persons.

Considering that guys like you have to provide a 1000 feet distance I guess that would make them untouchable.


Once again,wrong.


You might want to check the laws again pal. If not I will personally walk you into any school of your choice and refer you to the proper authorities. We will simply see what they say. After they run that rap sheet.

Its because of utter scum like you that everyone in CPS had to conduct a 2nd round of background checks a few years back. Some after having cleared the first round 30 years ago. Then you matriculate throughout this board as if you are everyone's moral compass. What a joke. There is no way in hell that they will let you anywhere near a child in a school setting. Or on school grounds.

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that is not what you said, I know what I am allowed and not allowed to you. Unfortunately ,you do not . This is what I said in the other thread. instead of research then respond all you do is state the figments of your imagination as the facts so once again until you can state facts or some solid data ,shut the fuck up dickhead.

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I have never understood the need for certification to be a substitute. If it is a long term substitute for an illness or something then clearly that is needed, but just to be a fill in here and there it is not needed.

In Missouri you just need 60 hours of college credit.


Chicago should go back to requiring simply a bachelor's degree in order to substitute. In your larger schools some days its murder. In some instances you might need upwards of 20 substitutes.

It also prevents people who didn't major in education at the undergrad level from exploring the profession once they graduate from school. I know a number of people who entered the profession after first starting out as substitutes.

I can only imagine how hard it is to find subs. That is crazy.

None of them are ever young. I started as substitute when was 22 and fresh out of undergrad. Couldn't find a gig met a woman that was a teacher one day while playing basketball at the park who happened to be a teacher. She walked me through it and told me to go get the sub certificate and it changed my life. Told some of my guys about it and we all did the same thing. Some of us went on to grad school and got certified while others went in other directions.

I often think about it now as with the current rules none of us would be allowed to do it. They are losing out on a ton of young prospective teachers as a result. The vast majority are either displaced or retired at this stage.


Yeah that is a good point. I wish more states would also adopt more alternate routes to certification. Missouri is one of only like 7 states to use the program that I went through to get certified.

Totally agree. The hoops people have to jump through are asinine, and they exclude a lot of people who see them as bullshit. There are smart, creative people who would love to teach but can't do it without fighting through several years of red tape (while they pay for the privilege). I've seen secretaries in colleges of education force people to take an extra semester or two because they missed a deadline (that they were unaware of) or had 95 hours of pre-teaching observation, not 100. Who would willingly leave their career to deal with this? In the five years I was involved in the process, it seemed to me that the certification system in Illinois rewarded people who were organized but not always smart or creative or empathetic.

On the other hand, some of the required background classes are a good idea.


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Its because of utter scum like you that everyone in CPS had to conduct a 2nd round of background checks a few years back.


I have no idea what happened with the veteran CPS teachers, but the people at the CPS who were supposed to run background checks on new hires in the past ten years were obviously incompetent. You can't blame chas for that.


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The money IL residents pay in property taxes is extremely high. As ridiculous as my property tax bill is....over 72% of it is for schools alone.

They will be the last to feel it, but there is no fucking way people are going to stand to pay that kind of money for eLearning or pay that and feel the need to home school or send to private.

Safe or not....ground zero or not. eLearning is not a viable answer. It was fine as band-aid for this year. The state is filled with an abundance of genius PhD Education Superintendents...I suggest they use their extraordinary brainpower to come up with a solution to open the schools in a safe manner.

As far is legal liability.....if the schools are open and people get sick and die....They'd have to prove the person lived in a fucking bubble and their loved ones lived in a fucking bubble and there was no possible way the virus was contracted anywhere but the school.

This is nonsense.

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The money IL residents pay in property taxes is extremely high. As ridiculous as my property tax bill is....over 72% of it is for schools alone.

They will be the last to feel it, but there is no fucking way people are going to stand to pay that kind of money for eLearning or pay that and feel the need to home school or send to private.

This will change swiftly when 50% of residents can't pay their property taxes this year.

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i mean its not crazy to believe there are bad teachers in both private and public schools and the numbers are probably similar.


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Why not just say homeschooling your kid creates a socially awkward weirdo? I could get on board with that argument.




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that is not what you said, I know what I am allowed and not allowed to you. Unfortunately ,you do not . This is what I said in the other thread. instead of research then respond all you do is state the figments of your imagination as the facts so once again until you can state facts or some solid data ,shut the fuck up dickhead.


You cannot be a 1000 feet within school grounds. That is a fact. Its because of predators such as yourself that people whom I worked with had to miss checks because of delays in processing their background check. It wasn't even for things that were sexual. I will never have regard for shitheads like you. I will try and remain cordial (that is until you go into your little routine") "Why can't CPS teachers take a pay cut". Get a fucking job before you start preaching to the world about who should and shouldn't get paid. Continue to advocate about the gloriousness of a system whose fruits of which dopes like you will never enjoy.

While you are at it why not continue to promote stereotypes and pander to the people here, even as they continue to view you as nothing more than a stereotype. And a statistic.

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Wwwwwwwwwhat???

Sounds like Plato himself. WTF.

Thank you, O Great State! Now watch my kids for seven minutes so's I can nail the missus.


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The money IL residents pay in property taxes is extremely high. As ridiculous as my property tax bill is....over 72% of it is for schools alone.

They will be the last to feel it, but there is no fucking way people are going to stand to pay that kind of money for eLearning or pay that and feel the need to home school or send to private.

Safe or not....ground zero or not. eLearning is not a viable answer. It was fine as band-aid for this year. The state is filled with an abundance of genius PhD Education Superintendents...I suggest they use their extraordinary brainpower to come up with a solution to open the schools in a safe manner.

As far is legal liability.....if the schools are open and people get sick and die....They'd have to prove the person lived in a fucking bubble and their loved ones lived in a fucking bubble and there was no possible way the virus was contracted anywhere but the school.

This is nonsense.


we have to come to grips eventually that 3 million people die in the US every year. of all sorts of stuff. Its the only thing we are guaranteed in life is the end of it. and as we begin to see food shortages, job losses, and 0 income to pay bills which then equals very little tax revenue, hopefully people start to figure it out.


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Its because of utter scum like you that everyone in CPS had to conduct a 2nd round of background checks a few years back.


I have no idea what happened with the veteran CPS teachers, but the people at the CPS who were supposed to run background checks on new hires in the past ten years were obviously incompetent. You can't blame chas for that.


No they were predators. He is a predator. Hence the phrase "guys like him". There weren't really problems with the initial tests. It wasn't about that. They were trying to backtrack on people that had committed sexual acts after they were hired. They were trying to catch people that committed acts after already being hired into the system.

The problem was that once they conducted the test things like traffic violations were popping up. This forced them to do a deeper dive investigative wise. As a result some people were withheld from work for the first few weeks of school as they had to wait to be cleared. One person I know had to wait until Dec. Nearly quit due to all the missed income.

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that is not what you said, I know what I am allowed and not allowed to you. Unfortunately ,you do not . This is what I said in the other thread. instead of research then respond all you do is state the figments of your imagination as the facts so once again until you can state facts or some solid data ,shut the fuck up dickhead.


You cannot be a 1000 feet within school grounds. That is a fact. Its because of predators such as yourself that people whom I worked with had to miss checks because of delays in processing their background check. It wasn't even for things that were sexual. I will never have regard for shitheads like you. I will try and remain cordial (that is until you go into your little routine") "Why can't CPS teachers take a pay cut". Get a fucking job before you start preaching to the world about who should and shouldn't get paid. Continue to advocate about the gloriousness of a system whose fruits of which dopes like you will never enjoy.

While you are at it why not continue to promote stereotypes and pander to the people here, even as they continue to view you as nothing more than a stereotype. And a statistic.


From Il 720ILCS5_11-9
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loiter within 500 feet of a school building or real property
comprising any school while persons under the age of 18 are
present in the building or on the grounds, unless the offender
is a parent or guardian of a student attending the school and
the parent or guardian is:

So once again,you state things as fact when you are totally ignorant of what you are thing you know. Do a little research before you post. I feel sorry for your"students"

2 I do have a job, have for about 4 years. It is a nice job. Work from home no stress, only thing I do not like is I have to critique peoples work and it could lead to them getting disciplined or fired.

So once again, you need to pay attention and follow along. You are a public servant. People like me pay your salary, you are no better than people like Biden and the rest of the lifers in congress. Never held a real job. I love of you get all pissed off when someone suggests that when the nation is in a fucked up crisis and the working people who pay your salary are taking a pay cut and making sacrifices you do the same you get all combative about it.

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When are people finally going to turn on this bullshit? No homeschooling because "white supremacy". If this crisis has taught us anything it should be that the white supremacy bogeyman is not something we should be worried about.

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long time guy wrote:
Its because of utter scum like you that everyone in CPS had to conduct a 2nd round of background checks a few years back.


I have no idea what happened with the veteran CPS teachers, but the people at the CPS who were supposed to run background checks on new hires in the past ten years were obviously incompetent. You can't blame chas for that.


No they were predators. He is a predator. Hence the phrase "guys like him". There weren't really problems with the initial tests. It wasn't about that. They were trying to backtrack on people that had committed sexual acts after they were hired. They were trying to catch people that committed acts after already being hired into the system.

The problem was that once they conducted the test things like traffic violations were popping up. This forced them to do a deeper dive investigative wise. As a result some people were withheld from work for the first few weeks of school as they had to wait to be cleared. One person I know had to wait until Dec. Nearly quit due to all the missed income.


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that is not what you said, I know what I am allowed and not allowed to you. Unfortunately ,you do not . This is what I said in the other thread. instead of research then respond all you do is state the figments of your imagination as the facts so once again until you can state facts or some solid data ,shut the fuck up dickhead.


You cannot be a 1000 feet within school grounds. That is a fact. Its because of predators such as yourself that people whom I worked with had to miss checks because of delays in processing their background check. It wasn't even for things that were sexual. I will never have regard for shitheads like you. I will try and remain cordial (that is until you go into your little routine") "Why can't CPS teachers take a pay cut". Get a fucking job before you start preaching to the world about who should and shouldn't get paid. Continue to advocate about the gloriousness of a system whose fruits of which dopes like you will never enjoy.

While you are at it why not continue to promote stereotypes and pander to the people here, even as they continue to view you as nothing more than a stereotype. And a statistic.


From Il 720ILCS5_11-9
Quote:
(b) It is unlawful for a child sex offender to knowingly
loiter within 500 feet of a school building or real property
comprising any school while persons under the age of 18 are
present in the building or on the grounds, unless the offender
is a parent or guardian of a student attending the school and
the parent or guardian is:

So once again,you state things as fact when you are totally ignorant of what you are thing you know. Do a little research before you post. I feel sorry for your"students"

2 I do have a job, have for about 4 years. It is a nice job. Work from home no stress, only thing I do not like is I have to critique peoples work and it could lead to them getting disciplined or fired.

So once again, you need to pay attention and follow along. You are a public servant. People like me pay your salary, you are no better than people like Biden and the rest of the lifers in congress. Never held a real job. I love of you get all pissed off when someone suggests that when the nation is in a fucked up crisis and the working people who pay your salary are taking a pay cut and making sacrifices you do the same you get all combative about it.


Education is an actual profession asswipe. Everyone in it actually has a degree. Unlike you. Some even have multiple degrees and as far as paying someone's salary save it dickhead. I pay more in taxes that your clown ass and have for a number of years. I guarentee that I paid more for your dole disability receiving shithead ass than you ever paid for me.

I also paid for the probation officer that you had to check in with while you were on papers as well as your damn P.D. What clowns like you contribute to society isn't much of shit. So save the condescension and unwarranted arrogance. You are a pock mark on everyone's house.

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Its because of utter scum like you that everyone in CPS had to conduct a 2nd round of background checks a few years back.


I have no idea what happened with the veteran CPS teachers, but the people at the CPS who were supposed to run background checks on new hires in the past ten years were obviously incompetent. You can't blame chas for that.


No they were predators. He is a predator. Hence the phrase "guys like him". There weren't really problems with the initial tests. It wasn't about that. They were trying to backtrack on people that had committed sexual acts after they were hired. They were trying to catch people that committed acts after already being hired into the system.

The problem was that once they conducted the test things like traffic violations were popping up. This forced them to do a deeper dive investigative wise. As a result some people were withheld from work for the first few weeks of school as they had to wait to be cleared. One person I know had to wait until Dec. Nearly quit due to all the missed income.


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Man,you really don't like it when you are told you should be treated like the rest of us do you LTG. You should not have your salary reduced even though due to what the situation is you are not doing 100% of the work. Other people are being fucked over by the system right now,not you you are getting all your money and benefits,except you get to sit at home like Congress.. No wonder you are a Pelosi supporter. I bet the only inconvenience for you is the brand of bottled water you want is in short supply or you can only get off brand toilet paper.

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I have never understood the need for certification to be a substitute. If it is a long term substitute for an illness or something then clearly that is needed, but just to be a fill in here and there it is not needed.

In Missouri you just need 60 hours of college credit.


Chicago should go back to requiring simply a bachelor's degree in order to substitute. In your larger schools some days its murder. In some instances you might need upwards of 20 substitutes.

It also prevents people who didn't major in education at the undergrad level from exploring the profession once they graduate from school. I know a number of people who entered the profession after first starting out as substitutes.

I can only imagine how hard it is to find subs. That is crazy.

None of them are ever young. I started as substitute when was 22 and fresh out of undergrad. Couldn't find a gig met a woman that was a teacher one day while playing basketball at the park who happened to be a teacher. She walked me through it and told me to go get the sub certificate and it changed my life. Told some of my guys about it and we all did the same thing. Some of us went on to grad school and got certified while others went in other directions.

I often think about it now as with the current rules none of us would be allowed to do it. They are losing out on a ton of young prospective teachers as a result. The vast majority are either displaced or retired at this stage.


Yeah that is a good point. I wish more states would also adopt more alternate routes to certification. Missouri is one of only like 7 states to use the program that I went through to get certified.

Totally agree. The hoops people have to jump through are asinine, and they exclude a lot of people who see them as bullshit. There are smart, creative people who would love to teach but can't do it without fighting through several years of red tape (while they pay for the privilege). I've seen secretaries in colleges of education force people to take an extra semester or two because they missed a deadline (that they were unaware of) or had 95 hours of pre-teaching observation, not 100. Who would willingly leave their career to deal with this? In the five years I was involved in the process, it seemed to me that the certification system in Illinois rewarded people who were organized but not always smart or creative or empathetic.

On the other hand, some of the required background classes are a good idea.


Yeah a lot of the red tape is stupid, but that is the world we live in.

People need to know their stuff in order to be certified, but there are different ways to get that accomplished and I am glad some states recognize that. I had to take 3 pretty difficult tests and if I passed all of them and had like 80 hours of classroom observation then I could be certified. It was hard, but it was better than having to go back thru a bunch of college classes that I did not need and would not really help in the profession. Hopefully more states go that route as we move forward.

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The money IL residents pay in property taxes is extremely high. As ridiculous as my property tax bill is....over 72% of it is for schools alone.

They will be the last to feel it, but there is no fucking way people are going to stand to pay that kind of money for eLearning or pay that and feel the need to home school or send to private.

Safe or not....ground zero or not. eLearning is not a viable answer. It was fine as band-aid for this year. The state is filled with an abundance of genius PhD Education Superintendents...I suggest they use their extraordinary brainpower to come up with a solution to open the schools in a safe manner.

As far is legal liability.....if the schools are open and people get sick and die....They'd have to prove the person lived in a fucking bubble and their loved ones lived in a fucking bubble and there was no possible way the virus was contracted anywhere but the school.

This is nonsense.


we have to come to grips eventually that 3 million people die in the US every year. of all sorts of stuff. Its the only thing we are guaranteed in life is the end of it. and as we begin to see food shortages, job losses, and 0 income to pay bills which then equals very little tax revenue, hopefully people start to figure it out.

I'm sorry but there's no use for logic and reason during these uncertain times. :lol:

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