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Hub was shooting down anyone that questioned Pace, said repeatedly that Pace was in no danger of losing his job. He even compared him trading up to Belichick! A few things seem obvious after the draft, the like Bush at SS, if your a CB and your last name isn't Fuller your roster spot is not secure, they think the OLine is OK as constituted, they think the QB situation is OK, and Nagy thinks his offense will be better under Foles.


Hub seems to have changed a lot the last 10 years or so. I never minded him before even when I disagreed with him but now he sounds like a crazy person.


Really? He seems slightly less crazy to me now than during the Dick "Where'd you play your ball?" Jauron era.

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Hub seems like the adult in the room and nearly everyone else is more interested in groupthink and trying to be entertaining.

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highest paid defender ever and he takes about twenty percent of each game off, yet here the bears are inviting his brother to camp.


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Hub seems like the adult in the room and nearly everyone else is more interested in groupthink and trying to be entertaining.


Have to give him credit for at least taking calls from people that disagree with him which rarely happens on the station today.


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Hub seems like the adult in the room and nearly everyone else is more interested in groupthink and trying to be entertaining.


Have to give him credit for at least taking calls from people that disagree with him which rarely happens on the station today.

yes....Hub will stand right in front of the line of fire.

He was the McClaskey apologist when he did pre and post. There was a short time after getting launched from that gig where he kept it real, but he's been back to apologist for the entire Ryan Pace era and even earlier.

Those thoughts described don't surprise me, but he's insane.

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Watts beat them to the punch.


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Hub was shooting down anyone that questioned Pace, said repeatedly that Pace was in no danger of losing his job. He even compared him trading up to Belichick! A few things seem obvious after the draft, the like Bush at SS, if your a CB and your last name isn't Fuller your roster spot is not secure, they think the OLine is OK as constituted, they think the QB situation is OK, and Nagy thinks his offense will be better under Foles.


Hub seems to have changed a lot the last 10 years or so. I never minded him before even when I disagreed with him but now he sounds like a crazy person.


Really? He seems slightly less crazy to me now than during the Dick "Where'd you play your ball?" Jauron era.


That quip is what cost Hub his job with the Bears.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears DRAFT
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I think they did about as well as you could hope for the limited number of picks.

I thought there were better players available at each pick but the market didn't agree with me as even Denzell Wimms lasted until 59. My other second round guy, Prince, went in the sixth. Jones fell in the third and the centers that I liked were all over the place.

Johnson is going to be a good player and I think there is consensus across the NFL on that. It's the injuries (and it is a significant concern). Utah has been quietly pumping out really good defensive backfield players over the past half decade and Winningham thinks he is the best of them all. He is the anti Amukamara in his aggressiveness and ability to cause turnovers.

Kmet will be playing a lot from the very beginning. He may not be the guy they announce as the starter but he will get starter minutes. Contrary to other's thoughts, he is athletic, fast and big. He will get bigger. Also, he isn't even a full year into devoting himself entirely to football. I expect the specialized physical training and coaching are going to make an impact.

Mooney fits a role and it is the role the Bears needed. He doesn't have the overall game other WR we all wanted have. He can run a fly pattern and beat a DB. He was fast at the combine but I think he played even faster.

That Pace better be right about the guy from Tulsa because as you saw, there are starters available even in the 4th round

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Not sure if he can really be honest because his family business is completely dependent upon having access to the Bears and the NFL, if he pisses them off and they block him from Halas Hall he's just another meatball Cub fan left wing loon.


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I think they did about as well as you could hope for the limited number of picks.

I thought there were better players available at each pick but the market didn't agree with me as even Denzell Wimms lasted until 59. My other second round guy, Prince, went in the sixth. Jones fell in the third and the centers that I liked were all over the place.

Johnson is going to be a good player and I think there is consensus across the NFL on that. It's the injuries (and it is a significant concern). Utah has been quietly pumping out really good defensive backfield players over the past half decade and Winningham thinks he is the best of them all. He is the anti Amukamara in his aggressiveness and ability to cause turnovers.

Kmet will be playing a lot from the very beginning. He may not be the guy they announce as the starter but he will get starter minutes. Contrary to other's thoughts, he is athletic, fast and big. He will get bigger. Also, he isn't even a full year into devoting himself entirely to football. I expect the specialized physical training and coaching are going to make an impact.

Mooney fits a role and it is the role the Bears needed. He doesn't have the overall game other WR we all wanted have. He can run a fly pattern and beat a DB. He was fast at the combine but I think he played even faster.

That Pace better be right about the guy from Tulsa because as you saw, there are starters available even in the 4th round


Having Charles Leno and Bobbie Massie as the starting tackles is basically disqualifying the Bears from contention this year. I dont know how the Bears are reconciling that fact with their draft strategy of filling holes with draft picks. If they were just taking the best talent and finding places for them regardless of position, that's fine. That is viable. But to draft for need, which they clearly did with the first two picks, and then totally ignore the giant pressing need that is going to ruin their season? It makes no sense.

They signed Demetrius Harris and Jimmy Graham to play tight end. Now if they think Jimmy Graham is going to be a zero contributor in 2020 then they are probably right, but it does bring up the question of why sign the fucking guy to $10m guaranteed in the first place if they know he cannot play.

I just cant get on with this draft even if I like a lot some of the players they got. Even though they only traded one 2021 draft pick it still feels like they robbed themselves in a way. The work cut out they have cut out for themselves or the next guy in rebuilding this offensive and defensive fronts is immense. They are basically leaving those units in the same condition they found them in when Pace inherited that disaster of a roster from Emery.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears DRAFT
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I have to take the lack of a pick at guard as an endorsement of Bars.

I hope they are immediately beginning to negotiate with veteran safeties. Going rate is about 1 year at 2.5 and there are nice, veteran strong safeties out there

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 Post subject: Re: Bears DRAFT
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Pace's work on the TE position is an incomprehensible mess.

Kmet provides clarity moving forward. Demetrious Harris is also a highly underconsidered signing. They finally have some TE who can actually block a little.

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The Harris signing is overshadowed because of how bewildered everyone continues to be that the Bears gave all that money to a quasi-retired tight end who really doesn't fit the modern needs of the position. Just trying to figure out what the Bears were thinking with Graham is enough to make your head spin.


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The Harris signing is overshadowed because of how bewildered everyone continues to be that the Bears gave all that money to a quasi-retired tight end who really doesn't fit the modern needs of the position. Just trying to figure out what the Bears were thinking with Graham is enough to make your head spin.



Throw in the fact that Adam Shaheen is still on the roster and your head may explode.

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The Harris signing is overshadowed because of how bewildered everyone continues to be that the Bears gave all that money to a quasi-retired tight end who really doesn't fit the modern needs of the position. Just trying to figure out what the Bears were thinking with Graham is enough to make your head spin.



Throw in the fact that Adam Shaheen is still on the roster and your head may explode.

He clearly isn't going to make the team.


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Like what I'm reading on Arlington Heights.

Stay out of Arlington Hts business.


Easy enough. Hard to get in your business hiding all the way out there in the boonies. You and Schaumburg can fight over eachothers business. :lol: :lol:


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My other second round guy, Prince, went in the sixth.

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Johnson is going to be a good player and I think there is consensus across the NFL on that. It's the injuries (and it is a significant concern). Utah has been quietly pumping out really good defensive backfield players over the past half decade and Winningham thinks he is the best of them all. He is the anti Amukamara in his aggressiveness and ability to cause turnovers


Its possible the Bears got the best corner in the draft. There was no consensus this year on the corners. Some teams even had Henderson higher than Okudah because they felt his coverage skills were better. It will be interesting to see how this class shakes out.


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My other second round guy, Prince, went in the sixth.

:lol:


That was my guy too along with Mims. The fact that they could have gotten both multiple times and didn't bothers me. Mims size and speed was exactly what this offense needs.

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My other second round guy, Prince, went in the sixth.

:lol:


To be fair he had a medical and some teams wondered if he really loved football.


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Johnson is going to be a good player and I think there is consensus across the NFL on that. It's the injuries (and it is a significant concern). Utah has been quietly pumping out really good defensive backfield players over the past half decade and Winningham thinks he is the best of them all. He is the anti Amukamara in his aggressiveness and ability to cause turnovers


Its possible the Bears got the best corner in the draft. There was no consensus this year on the corners. Some teams even had Henderson higher than Okudah because they felt his coverage skills were better. It will be interesting to see how this class shakes out.

Yea you could say the same thing about Trevon Diggs maybe being the corner in the draft too. Really almost anyone drafted in the top fifty or so picks has an argument to make that they were actually better than anyone drafted before them, especially in a draft with this depth.

This was just not the year to draft a player who is damaged goods. My understanding is no medicals really got done this year and that when Ryan Pace says Jaylon Johnson was cleared he is either being delusional or deceitful. There is a very elevated chance that this guy starts the season on PUP or even has to basically redshirt. Now last time a Jaylon drafted in the second round had to do that it worked out extraordinarily well, so I'll hold back total judgment. But it sure feels like Pace took this guy because he knew he needs to take a calculated risk on hoping a guy with top-ten overall talent overcomes all these risk factors.


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Johnson is going to be a good player and I think there is consensus across the NFL on that. It's the injuries (and it is a significant concern). Utah has been quietly pumping out really good defensive backfield players over the past half decade and Winningham thinks he is the best of them all. He is the anti Amukamara in his aggressiveness and ability to cause turnovers


Its possible the Bears got the best corner in the draft. There was no consensus this year on the corners. Some teams even had Henderson higher than Okudah because they felt his coverage skills were better. It will be interesting to see how this class shakes out.

I get what you're trying to say. But a corner every analyst has graded as an elite talent and going top 10 at worst since February indicates there was a consensus...


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I dont really have a problem with Jeff Okudah, but he wasn't the third best player in this draft. Dont think he's a bust at all, but I dont know if he has the strength to match his physicality.

Johnson probably would've been around where CJ Henderson went had he not had all the injuries. Some people are encouraged by that, but I'm honestly not. If a player is that good and falls all the way to 2.50 there's something really amiss.


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The Harris signing is overshadowed because of how bewildered everyone continues to be that the Bears gave all that money to a quasi-retired tight end who really doesn't fit the modern needs of the position. Just trying to figure out what the Bears were thinking with Graham is enough to make your head spin.



Throw in the fact that Adam Shaheen is still on the roster and your head may explode.

He clearly isn't going to make the team.


Then why is he still there?

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The Bears are not actually going roll with ten tight ends. Shaheen will get a chance to prove himself at camp and when he fails to be better than Holtz and Harris he wont make the team. And even if he is better than Kmet they aren't going to cut Kmet to keep Adam Shaheen.

Jimmy Graham is going to make this roster even if he's arguably the worst tight end of the ten at this stage in his career. $10m guaranteed cash.


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No one ever thought that the Bears would roll with 10 TE's. And he's still there because he may still make the team.

If he has a good camp, along with Harris and Holtz, then Holtz will be the odd man out. Not Shaheen.

Pace won't eat that pick until he absolutely has to.

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