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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:22 am 
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That can't be Florio...he's too busy shaming social distancing violators.

The Stokely and Zach show in Denver are "monitoring the situation" with Rodgers. They made an offer of 2 1st rounders... :lol:

Does anyone know how Rodgers' contract is structured? When McKenzie did Carr's contract we could move on after 2 seasons without taking a huge cap hit due to the guaranteed money up front. McKenzie brought that strategy from Green Bay.

Rodgers is pretty much the opposite. There's pretty much no way they could move him in the next 2 years and would still have to eat a large chunk in the 3rd year. I think that is one of the biggest reasons it came as such a surprise. In typical NFL contract handling, next year would have made more sense. That is why you have to believe that Gunt is all in on Love. That choice will either elevate him to genius or doom him to Krause-like hatred.

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 Post subject: Re: Green Bay Packers
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:lol:

:lol: I must have missed that, the GM said he couldn't find a WR that could contribute on day 1?

They were all in on Love. After that he said they were looking to trade up for a couple WR in round 2 and after those 2 were selected there were none left they felt would make an impact.
From what I've read, they were going WR in the 1st up until Jefferson went. After that they didn't believe the other choices warranted the pick and instead went with the guy they thought did. The 2nd round sort of followed that same path.

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 Post subject: Re: Green Bay Packers
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just one dope's take. but i like it. guy gave the bear a C+

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/nfl-draft-grades/2020-nfl-draft-grades-nfc

:lol:

This guy has no clue how good Dillon is

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I like some of these stories like "An AFC exec trashed the Packers draft, said he doesn't know what they are doing"

Ok, which AFC exec? If he's from the Pats I may be inclined to listen. If he's from the Jets or Jaguars then who the fuck cares what he thinks about good drafts?

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This guy has no clue how good Dillon is


Aaron Jones is a free agent next year. All these analysts act like he'll be on the Packers roster in perpetuity.


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:lol: You guys talking yourself into the Dillon pick.


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:lol: You guys talking yourself into the Dillon pick.

No, still sucks. But the drafting of a RB makes sense. Just not at R.2


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FF I heard a draft expert of some sort on Mac and Parkins yesterday. He said simply that the Packers by plan drafted for the future top to bottom without regard for today. He claimed this was a similar mind set to Seattle int he past.

I don't know how that makes you feel but it was out there.

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:lol: You guys talking yourself into the Dillon pick.

I didn't need to talk myself into it. Was a big fan on draft night when they took him

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:lol: You guys talking yourself into the Dillon pick.

I didn't need to talk myself into it. Was a big fan on draft night when they took him


Yeah but you were high and thought it was 1997 and Corey Dillion.


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 Post subject: Re: Green Bay Packers
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Gotta say I hate the Love pick a lot less after surveying the division post draft. The Vikings are worse than they were last season most likely and the Bears are likely stuck in neutral. As a matter of habit I just don’t really ever worry about the Lions.

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Nothing against Jordan Love. I mean no disrespect but you trade up to get a guy who…he may turn out to be great. I hope he does. But you trade to get more of a project. He’s a little bit unproven. Lot of upside, no doubt about it. But he can’t help you get to the Super Bowl immediately. I just think if you’re playing for now…Green Bay’s one of them who should be playing for now.
They don’t draft any weapons. Not just in the 1st round but any weapons that can help immediately, to my knowledge. That just sends a disrespect message to Aaron Rodgers. He has every right to be disappointed if he is.”

“Aaron and I get along great. I did talk to him. I’m not going to talk about all that we talked about but he was…let’s just say surprised that they went in that direction.”

"I think they burned a bridge that’s going to be hard to overcome. At some point, I think it will rear its ugly head."

“I think he plays somewhere else…You know Tom Brady, and myself, and Joe Montana, and Peyton Manning just to name a few finished their careers elsewhere…I think Aaron will finish somewhere else. That’s my gut.
I guarantee you this and I don’t know this for certain but I guarantee you it’s got the wheels turning in Aaron’s mind. If that’s the case, it means there’s a chip on the shoulder towards the organization that otherwise was not there. All he needs is a reason other than that reason to expedite that.”

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Favre would be a quality CFMB'er

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 Post subject: Re: Green Bay Packers
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Packer fans started a Fire Gutekunst petition after a 13-3 season. :lol:


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Its at the point where the "Aaron Rodgers has to take this as an insult!" is becoming self-fulfilling.


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People are losing their minds over this draft...I heard an evaluator call Gute the Josh McDaniels of GM's today...


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People are losing their minds over this draft...I heard an evaluator call Gute the Josh McDaniels of GM's today...

:lol:

yeah it is out of hand. But it is going to be interesting to see how it goes.

It could be a great thing for the Packers. Rodgers comes out this year pissed off and wanting to show how great he still is.

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I half expect the Packers to jump in on the Odell Beckham trade wire here. Just as a reaction to all the shit they've caught for leaving Rodgers out to dry. This would allow them to repair their relationship with Rodgers and at the same time show they can about winning this year.

Or they could just be that committed to giving the Rodgers the finger and tell him to go into next season with his shit group of weapons. That will piss him off.


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I should add, I would very wary of trading for Odell Beckham at this point in his career. But for a second round pick next year its probably worth the risk.


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I would be curious to know why Mims dropped. I guess Love was plan B after Jefferson came off the board. It sounds like they tried to trade up into 2nd (for Mims would be my guess) but weren't able to. I'm not surprised as there was a ton of value in the 2nd so nobody wanted to trade out.


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I have no explanation for why Mims fell. Maybe they are worried he'll draw too many OPI's?


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I half expect the Packers to jump in on the Odell Beckham trade wire here. Just as a reaction to all the shit they've caught for leaving Rodgers out to dry. This would allow them to repair their relationship with Rodgers and at the same time show they can about winning this year.

Or they could just be that committed to giving the Rodgers the finger and tell him to go into next season with his shit group of weapons. That will piss him off.


Do they have the cap flexibility to go after Antonio Brown?

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I'm sure they could make it work, but it would be massively out of character for the Packers to go after AB.


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he just revamped a 6 win team to the NFC championship. :lol:


Pace revamped a 5 win team into a 12 win team. BFD :lol:


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I'm sure they could make it work, but it would be massively out of character for the Packers to go after AB.

No chance they do that.

I don’t think Odell is a possibility either. If they make another move for a WR it will be something minor like Daesean Hamilton or Dante Pettis

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I think there is a chance Odell gets cut. His dead cap hit is $15m every year for the rest of his deal, including now. If he's really cooked I dont see the point in keeping him around.

Obviously my first instinct would be to trade him, second choice would be to restructure but failing that...I'd really consider letting him go just so I could get those big cap savings next off-season and not kick the can down the road. Its an almost impossible to decision to make without seeing him though, you'd have to see how he looks before doing that. That's not gonna happen any time soon.

Still if I were a contending team I'd sacrifice a second for him, and if I were shitty (like the Bears) I'd do a third. At that point the risk becomes manageable.


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Start with that 13-3 record. The Packers outscored their opponents by a total of 63 points. We can use their Pythagorean expectation to estimate that a team with that sort of point differential typically wins about 9.7 games, and we can use history to find that the vast majority of teams with that sort of difference between their actual win total and expected win total almost always decline.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/291 ... alen-hurts

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Yea the Packers are not good and it really isn't a stupid idea for them to draft for the future. But this draft was horrible for the future too.


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Start with that 13-3 record. The Packers outscored their opponents by a total of 63 points. We can use their Pythagorean expectation to estimate that a team with that sort of point differential typically wins about 9.7 games, and we can use history to find that the vast majority of teams with that sort of difference between their actual win total and expected win total almost always decline.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/291 ... alen-hurts

Most of us have been saying that since the season ended. They're a prime regression candidate, just like the Bears were at this time last year (which Bears fans on here including Antarctica vehemently denied :lol: )

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