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Seeing Kobe talk about MJ :cry: :cry: :cry:

My favorite part of last night's episodes was MJ talking about Kobe in the 1998 All Star game. "That Laker kid gonna try and take us all 1 on 1. He don't let the game come to him, he takes the game. Shit, you want the ball you better grab a rebound!"

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At some point they probably should cover the 97-98 Pacers as you could argue the toughest opponent the Bulls ever had to go through..only team to take them 7 games in the Dynasty era.


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At some point they probably should cover the 97-98 Pacers as you could argue the toughest opponent the Bulls ever had to go through..only team to take them 7 games in the Dynasty era.

Wrong.

The Knicks did it also in 1992, and the episodes last night completely skipped over that series.

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At some point they probably should cover the 97-98 Pacers as you could argue the toughest opponent the Bulls ever had to go through..only team to take them 7 games in the Dynasty era.

Wrong.

The Knicks did it also in 1992, and the episodes last night completely skipped over that series.

I thought that was odd too but it'd be tough to try to make that game 7 sound dramatic, whereas the Pacers game 7 doesn't have that problem.

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I loved the behind the scenes footage of Jordan pitching quarters with the staff and rushing Pippen out of the gym and honking the orn at them so he can get to his tee time.

The Kobe stuff was good too :(

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Seeing Kobe talk about MJ :cry: :cry: :cry:

My favorite part of last night's episodes was MJ talking about Kobe in the 1998 All Star game. "That Laker kid gonna try and take us all 1 on 1. He don't let the game come to him, he takes the game. Shit, you want the ball you better grab a rebound!"


When he said "I wouldn't have passed him the ball after the fourth shot," was be referring to the airball game against Utah? Didn't see the episode yet but I've seen this clip.

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All Bulls fans loved Krause. They just didn't have enough sense to know it. I wonder how many championships a nucleus of Jordan, Oakley, and Walter Davis would have won.


He deserves immense credit for the Pippen trade. However there were a ton of bombs in there. He flamed out on a ton of moves that he made during those years.

Just watched the first 3 episodes so Im catching up. Doesnt really matter how many other bombs he had, he hit on this one , the most important of all.

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The only one that liked Krause was the only one that mattered.....Jerry :D



All Bulls fans loved Krause. They just didn't have enough sense to know it. I wonder how many championships a nucleus of Jordan, Oakley, and Walter Davis would have won.


He deserves immense credit for the Pippen trade. However there were a ton of bombs in there. He flamed out on a ton of moves that he made during those years.

Just watched the first 3 episodes so Im catching up. Doesnt really matter how many other bombs he had, he hit on this one , the most important of all.


The most important component was Jordan. Krause had nothing to with that. If nothing else the doc illustrates just how incapable of really "building" the franchise that Krause happened to be.

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This is why he is and always will be THE GOAT

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In Sunday night’s episode of “The Last Dance,” which featured commentary from no less than former President Barack Obama about Jordan’s cultural legacy, Jordan finally admitted to the statement, but countered that it was a joke, not a jab at other players who chose to be involved in political causes.

“I do commend Muhammad Ali for standing up for what he believed in. But I never thought of myself as an activist. I thought of myself as a basketball player,” he said. “I wasn’t a politician when I was playing my sport. I was focused on my craft. Was that selfish? Probably. But that was my energy. That’s where my energy was.”

He also added that he gave privately to Gantt, but simply refused to publicly endorse him because he was unfamiliar with Gantt as a candidate.

“I don’t think that statement needs to be corrected because I said it in jest on a bus with Horace Grant and Scottie Pippen,” Jordan said in his interview “It was thrown off the cuff. My mother asked to do a PSA for Harvey Gantt, and I said, ‘Look, Mom, I’m not speaking out of pocket about someone that I don’t know. But I will send a contribution to support him.’ Which is what I did.”

Jordan also admitted that he found living up to people’s impressions of him impossible and, early in his career, he came to terms with the idea that no matter what he did or how much he contributed on and off the basketball court, it “never going to be enough for everybody.”

“The way I go about my life is I set examples. If it inspires you? Great, I will continue to do that. If it doesn’t? Then maybe I’m not the person you should be following,” he said.



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NExt weeks episodes sound really good

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Here's the director of "The Last Dance," Jason Hehir, on the "Dan Patrick Show" on Monday:
"When you see the episodes next week, you’ll be surprised. Maybe he (Jordan) skipped Episode 7, but I can’t believe that he didn’t (trailed off)...
"The Steve Kerr thing is only a story that's told, and he was eager to tell that, and Steve was, too. But this treasure trove of footage that we had from the NBA, what we tackle in Episodes 7 and 8 next week is what it was like to play with Michael, and then what it was like to play against him, in 7 and 8, respectively.
"And the with Michael stuff, man, I don’t know if you would want to practice with Michael Jordan. It would be fun to watch; I don’t know if it would be fun to interact with him during that because he is hard. He wanted to make those harder than any game could possibly be. And in the East back in the '90s, that meant making it as rough and as mentally grueling as possible.
"And there’s things in there, there’s language in there that I’m shocked ESPN let us keep in, and there’s behavior in there that I’m shocked Michael let us keep in."

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At some point they probably should cover the 97-98 Pacers as you could argue the toughest opponent the Bulls ever had to go through..only team to take them 7 games in the Dynasty era.

I thought the Bulls deserved to lose that one. At the time, I remember thinking that the league and the refs gave them that series. I have always been a huge Bulls fan, but a lot of shit calls went down at the end of the last 2 or 3 games of that series. It was kinda BS, but I was glad the Bulls got the chance to repeat the Threepeat.

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This reminds me of two things, CBS really blew it with the tv contract, and how one of the Warriors' owners can weasel his way into cash. Guber is one of the principal producers of the series.

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Seeing Kobe talk about MJ :cry: :cry: :cry:

My favorite part of last night's episodes was MJ talking about Kobe in the 1998 All Star game. "That Laker kid gonna try and take us all 1 on 1. He don't let the game come to him, he takes the game. Shit, you want the ball you better grab a rebound!"


That's the Mamba mentality Jordan grew to love like an annoying little brother.

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Seeing Kobe talk about MJ :cry: :cry: :cry:

My favorite part of last night's episodes was MJ talking about Kobe in the 1998 All Star game. "That Laker kid gonna try and take us all 1 on 1. He don't let the game come to him, he takes the game. Shit, you want the ball you better grab a rebound!"


When he said "I wouldn't have passed him the ball after the fourth shot," was be referring to the airball game against Utah? Didn't see the episode yet but I've seen this clip.


I think the air ball game came in the playoffs the following season or that season.

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Seeing Kobe talk about MJ :cry: :cry: :cry:

My favorite part of last night's episodes was MJ talking about Kobe in the 1998 All Star game. "That Laker kid gonna try and take us all 1 on 1. He don't let the game come to him, he takes the game. Shit, you want the ball you better grab a rebound!"


That's the Mamba mentality Jordan grew to love like an annoying little brother.

Throughout this there is a sense that MJ doesn’t want to walk away from the game again yet but is 100% going to because of the Krause/Phil shit. So those scenes kind of had the sense that Jordan really wanted to take Kobe on before he was retiring but knew he wasn’t going to get the chance.

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Here's the director of "The Last Dance," Jason Hehir, on the "Dan Patrick Show" on Monday:
"When you see the episodes next week, you’ll be surprised. Maybe he (Jordan) skipped Episode 7, but I can’t believe that he didn’t (trailed off)...
"The Steve Kerr thing is only a story that's told, and he was eager to tell that, and Steve was, too. But this treasure trove of footage that we had from the NBA, what we tackle in Episodes 7 and 8 next week is what it was like to play with Michael, and then what it was like to play against him, in 7 and 8, respectively.
"And the with Michael stuff, man, I don’t know if you would want to practice with Michael Jordan. It would be fun to watch; I don’t know if it would be fun to interact with him during that because he is hard. He wanted to make those harder than any game could possibly be. And in the East back in the '90s, that meant making it as rough and as mentally grueling as possible.
"And there’s things in there, there’s language in there that I’m shocked ESPN let us keep in, and there’s behavior in there that I’m shocked Michael let us keep in."


He prepared them for the playoffs in practice

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Seeing Kobe talk about MJ :cry: :cry: :cry:

My favorite part of last night's episodes was MJ talking about Kobe in the 1998 All Star game. "That Laker kid gonna try and take us all 1 on 1. He don't let the game come to him, he takes the game. Shit, you want the ball you better grab a rebound!"


That's the Mamba mentality Jordan grew to love like an annoying little brother.

Throughout this there is a sense that MJ doesn’t want to walk away from the game again yet but is 100% going to because of the Krause/Phil shit. So those scenes kind of had the sense that Jordan really wanted to take Kobe on before he was retiring but knew he wasn’t going to get the chance.


I agree. That hunger and ability was gone when he came back the 3rd and final time.

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Seeing Kobe talk about MJ :cry: :cry: :cry:

My favorite part of last night's episodes was MJ talking about Kobe in the 1998 All Star game. "That Laker kid gonna try and take us all 1 on 1. He don't let the game come to him, he takes the game. Shit, you want the ball you better grab a rebound!"


That's the Mamba mentality Jordan grew to love like an annoying little brother.

Throughout this there is a sense that MJ doesn’t want to walk away from the game again yet but is 100% going to because of the Krause/Phil shit. So those scenes kind of had the sense that Jordan really wanted to take Kobe on before he was retiring but knew he wasn’t going to get the chance.


I agree. That hunger and ability was gone when he came back the 3rd and final time.

From stories I’ve read the hunger was there the 3rd time. His skills had eroded tho, the surrounding talent was awful, and breaking his ribs against Artest fucked up his chance to really come back full strength for that period.

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Interesting story. I don't think I have heard that before. It is too bad we didn't get to see Krauses book finished

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/jerry-krause ... er-injury/

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KC Johnson has been publishing parts of Krause's unfinished memoirs.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls ... -meets-eye

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Seeing Kobe talk about MJ :cry: :cry: :cry:

My favorite part of last night's episodes was MJ talking about Kobe in the 1998 All Star game. "That Laker kid gonna try and take us all 1 on 1. He don't let the game come to him, he takes the game. Shit, you want the ball you better grab a rebound!"


Yeah. That was cool.

Kind of ironic. Because that's what the vets said about Jordan in the 1984/1985 all star game. His rookie year. When they froze him out. Cuz he was the cocky punk ass kid.

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The only one that liked Krause was the only one that mattered.....Jerry :D



All Bulls fans loved Krause. They just didn't have enough sense to know it. I wonder how many championships a nucleus of Jordan, Oakley, and Walter Davis would have won.


He deserves immense credit for the Pippen trade. However there were a ton of bombs in there. He flamed out on a ton of moves that he made during those years.

Just watched the first 3 episodes so Im catching up. Doesnt really matter how many other bombs he had, he hit on this one , the most important of all.


The most important component was Jordan. Krause had nothing to with that. If nothing else the doc illustrates just how incapable of really "building" the franchise that Krause happened to be.


OF all of the stupid things that you have said on this board, this really is the worst. They do not win six championships without Pippin, Grant, Rodman and the cast of other players like Harper, Cartwright, Kerr, and Paxson. I'd say his acquisition of Rodman was the key in the last three championships. Clearly Krause built a team of excellent role players around Jordan, Pippin, and Rodman. Those three men were absolutely the best all around 1,2,3 combo in basketball all around. Arguably the best over-all player in the game. Arguably the best defender at his position in the game. And clearly the best rebounder in the game and one of the top five defensive big men in the game.

I have a lot of criticism of Krause for his failures to rebuild the Bulls but he certainly deserves a lot of credit for what he did in those six championships. It really should have been another 2 or 3 if Jordan hadn't gone on his baseball lark and Jackson hadn't pulled his pissy fit.

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There was a moment where I felt bad for Jordan. That part where he's laying down on the couch in his hotel sweet before a game.

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"This is pretty much what I do on the road. Sit in my hotel room and watch TV all day. Cuz I can't go out. I'll get mobbed by fans."

That was a real moment from Jordan. I know he's rich and famous. We should all have that problem. Still, he couldn't do normal things like going out to dinner or seeing a movie. So I felt for him when he said that.

I like seeing MJ be real in this Doc. He's open and honest. I like that.


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The only one that liked Krause was the only one that mattered.....Jerry :D



All Bulls fans loved Krause. They just didn't have enough sense to know it. I wonder how many championships a nucleus of Jordan, Oakley, and Walter Davis would have won.


He deserves immense credit for the Pippen trade. However there were a ton of bombs in there. He flamed out on a ton of moves that he made during those years.

Just watched the first 3 episodes so Im catching up. Doesnt really matter how many other bombs he had, he hit on this one , the most important of all.


The most important component was Jordan. Krause had nothing to with that. If nothing else the doc illustrates just how incapable of really "building" the franchise that Krause happened to be.


OF all of the stupid things that you have said on this board, this really is the worst. They do not win six championships without Pippin, Grant, Rodman and the cast of other players like Harper, Cartwright, Kerr, and Paxson. I'd say his acquisition of Rodman was the key in the last three championships. Clearly Krause built a team of excellent role players around Jordan, Pippin, and Rodman. Those three men were absolutely the best all around 1,2,3 combo in basketball all around. Arguably the best over-all player in the game. Arguably the best defender at his position in the game. And clearly the best rebounder in the game and one of the top five defensive big men in the game.

I have a lot of criticism of Krause for his failures to rebuild the Bulls but he certainly deserves a lot of credit for what he did in those six championships. It really should have been another 2 or 3 if Jordan hadn't gone on his baseball lark and Jackson hadn't pulled his pissy fit.

What did Jackson do?

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The only one that liked Krause was the only one that mattered.....Jerry :D



All Bulls fans loved Krause. They just didn't have enough sense to know it. I wonder how many championships a nucleus of Jordan, Oakley, and Walter Davis would have won.


He deserves immense credit for the Pippen trade. However there were a ton of bombs in there. He flamed out on a ton of moves that he made during those years.

Just watched the first 3 episodes so Im catching up. Doesnt really matter how many other bombs he had, he hit on this one , the most important of all.


The most important component was Jordan. Krause had nothing to with that. If nothing else the doc illustrates just how incapable of really "building" the franchise that Krause happened to be.


OF all of the stupid things that you have said on this board, this really is the worst. They do not win six championships without Pippin, Grant, Rodman and the cast of other players like Harper, Cartwright, Kerr, and Paxson. I'd say his acquisition of Rodman was the key in the last three championships. Clearly Krause built a team of excellent role players around Jordan, Pippin, and Rodman. Those three men were absolutely the best all around 1,2,3 combo in basketball all around. Arguably the best over-all player in the game. Arguably the best defender at his position in the game. And clearly the best rebounder in the game and one of the top five defensive big men in the game.

I have a lot of criticism of Krause for his failures to rebuild the Bulls but he certainly deserves a lot of credit for what he did in those six championships. It really should have been another 2 or 3 if Jordan hadn't gone on his baseball lark and Jackson hadn't pulled his pissy fit.



If you remove Jordan then what do they win you damn idiot? It's also stupid to say that they couldn't win 6 CHAMPIONSHIPS without Cartwright, Grant, Rodman and Paxson Harper since THEY PROVED THAT THEY COULD WITHOUT EACH OF THEM at various times.
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Is it possible that Krause was fuel for the fire? Jordan thrived off of adversity. What's to say that Krause being the bad guy didn't give Jordan more motivation.

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This was the Krause that I remember. Couldn't get out of his own way most of the time. He'd find a way to place pockmarks on the Mona Lisa if left to his own devices. His eye test stunk. That's why there was no way that the rebuild was going to be successful.

He didn't even want Horace Grant. He wanted Joe Wolf and basically had to be placed in a straight jacket by Doug Collins and the guys in order not to draft him.
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“We’re taking Wolf, but the coaches were getting excited,” Reinsdorf recalled. “They’re saying if Horace gets to us we’ve got to take him. Krause says no: Wolf. We’re now two picks before and the coaches are lobbying for Horace. I say to Jerry, ‘Let’s take a walk.’ I tell him he has my full confidence and whatever he wants to do, it’s his call. He comes back and says he’s changed to Horace. He was enough executive to say, ‘People I respect want Grant and I’ll trust their judgment.’ To me, that’s executive strength.

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The most important component was Jordan. Krause had nothing to with that. If nothing else the doc illustrates just how incapable of really "building" the franchise that Krause happened to be.[/quote]

OF all of the stupid things that you have said on this board, this really is the worst. They do not win six championships without Pippin, Grant, Rodman and the cast of other players like Harper, Cartwright, Kerr, and Paxson. I'd say his acquisition of Rodman was the key in the last three championships. Clearly Krause built a team of excellent role players around Jordan, Pippin, and Rodman. Those three men were absolutely the best all around 1,2,3 combo in basketball all around. Arguably the best over-all player in the game. Arguably the best defender at his position in the game. And clearly the best rebounder in the game and one of the top five defensive big men in the game.

I have a lot of criticism of Krause for his failures to rebuild the Bulls but he certainly deserves a lot of credit for what he did in those six championships. It really should have been another 2 or 3 if Jordan hadn't gone on his baseball lark and Jackson hadn't pulled his pissy fit.[/quote]


If you remove Jordan then what do they win you damn idiot? It's also stupid to say that they couldn't win 6 CHAMPIONSHIPS without Cartwright, Grant, Rodman and Paxson Harper since THEY PROVED THAT THEY COULD WITHOUT EACH OF THEM at various times.
Somehow this fact slips by that addled mind of yours[/quote]

What a dopey thing to say. I was talking about the job Krause did which was a good one. Krause went out and got Pippin and Rodman, two legitimate HOFers and in Paxson and Kerr obtained two of the best spot up three point shooters ever in the game. BJ, Grant and Harper were good NBA players in their own right. Who brought them in?

So yeah, take Rodman and Pippin away, Jordan doesn't win six championships. In fact it is likely that he'd maybe win one or two with a different GM. Its all speculation but there have been cases of the best player(s) in basketball not winning multiple championships and sometimes not even one. I think about Karl Malone, Barkley, Wilt, Iverson, Moses, etc. All at least 1-3 as the best players in the game at their best. If a good GM doesn't put the right players and coach with him, he doesn't win multiple championships.

But as always you say stupid shit about someone for some stupid reason. Krause deserves a lot of credit for building the best team in the history of the NBA around arguably the best player in the history of the game. Many GMs failed with Wilt and other of the top players ever in the game while Krause succeeded.

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