This is weird coming from you. I assume there is a specific reason within your circle.

But - just wait until you find out that I heroically decided to take less money each paycheck during the school year for the last 20+ years so that I can be a hero and be paid while I do ZERO for a couple months in the summer. That's really gonna blow up your pierogi!

I haven't seen any teacher declare themselves to be a "hero" in this. Have you?
Most teachers I know hate it (granted most are elementary/middle school teachers), but this situation sucks and they like seeing their kids at school. We can't help our kids adequately if we don't have daily access to them.

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Unless it has changed recently, the state said that FOIA requests do not have to be completed during this time. That came out a long time ago.

Most of those requests would be pretty hard to do if the personnel aren't in the buildings to actually do the work.

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Admin for 8 years.
Teacher now.

What district are you conns?

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I hear that the numbers are under 50% district wide. I imagine that is true for most of the state. How do you recommend that 50% of the kids have to go to summer school for "incompletes"?

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I don't understand how any kid can be recommended for ESY because of this (save for students with IEP). Plus, you're trying to get kids to do online ESY that aren't doing their regular online work (for whatever reason)? Good luck.

We provide our kids with laptops, but many don't have reliable internet service, so those devices are useless. They might have smart phones, but the format is extremely difficult on phones.

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E-Learning doesn't work K-8.
Kids K-8 are immune to this(essentially).
Time to man the fuck up and reopen schools in September.

why are you trying to kill my grandmother? (she's currently at costco right now stocking up on klondike bares and polyurethane Adirondack chairs but thats beside the point)

I love when teachers explain the economics of their job. Would you prefer the district spread your salary over 52 weeks? It's the same salary. I don't care but I could argue the accelerator on the income actually means you are making more money than your salary.

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No it isn't. He just provided examples of the sacrifices that he has made over the past 20 some odd years and you blew it off because it doesn't fit the narrative of the greedy, do nothing educator. Many teachers make similar sacrifices in fact.

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He didn't provide a single example. He just made some abstract statement. I don't even know what he is saying, so I take that he used the term paycheck rather than salary for a specific reason.

I don't say teachers are greedy and you will see my support throughout the strike threads. I also don't think they are do nothing.

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I'm in the teachers' camp until they complain about showing up for work in person when this ends in August 2024.

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No he did actually. He stated that he teaches Summer School for free and has for a great number of years.

I will provide you with an example of how teachers in CPS took a pay cut during the 2 terms of Emanuel.

Emanuel extended the School year by 7 days per year. Teacher pay remained exactly the same even though the year was extended by 7 instructional days.

Emanuel also increased the school day by 30 minutes per day each day. This comes out to 2 1/2 hrs per week 10 hrs per month 90-100+ hrs per year. This particular increase increases the instructional year by 15 days.

These two particular increases amounted to an additional 22-23 days of instructional time per year. Teacher pay didn't increase 1 cent during this particular period. Lightfoot hasn't changed the practice since becoming Mayor either.

There were 3-4 years in which teachers were furloughed because the state claimed that they didn't have the funds in the budget.

There were years in which contractually obligated raises were not met because they claimed that the funds were not available.

All of this amounted to a pay cut each year for the past 8 years plus.
Whatever happens during this period teachers deserve. No one asked for this particular virus to afflict the country and if this drags out into next school year there will be much more structure and accountability than there is now. That is a certainty.

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You sure he’s not saying that he deferred payment over 52 weeks instead of receiving all of his pay during the school year?

I'd better allow him to explain it. I know in CPS teachers took what amounted to a pay cut for the past 10 years running.

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Just sounds like what my friend does. Take pay over 12 months but only works school year but she was a social worker in u-46 at time.. not sure how it works in her new district. Easier to plan expenses I’d income is consistently co,Inc insuring year versus in the 10 months of the school being in session.

He may have been referencing the transition he made from Admin to Teacher. Admin is a year round position.

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No he actually didn't in the time frame of our conversation and if he said it elsewhere, I'm not obligated to know the full life story of spanky.

I supported the teachers and their pay raises and I am almost universally on the side of employee in employer/employee matters.

I have not seen a single teacher under the high school level working to his capacity during this virus. That's the discussion, as much as you would like to expand it to the general litany of woes we hear about the profession.

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i get that often, teachers are buying their own supplies and supplies for their students often times. and time frame changes without adjustment. but I don't get the idea that its a sacrifice in some way to spread the cost of your salary over 52 weeks. as opposed to the 9-10 mo you are in the building. as one who makes the lion share of his income in 5 months of the year, its just the way it is.

most of the teacher i know are trying to do what they can for their students. a few will readily admit they are doing way less than they normally would but try and make themselves available as much as humanly possible.

I think its probable that its very difficult for many who are in this position to be as efficient as they would be in the office regardless of the profession.

Teachers were instructed by the district not to overwork children during this particular period. It was mandated from the top down.

Do you know that teachers "working to their capacity" means that kids would necessitate that kids would also have to "work to their capacity" also?

How do you expect that to happen when a great number do not have proper resources?

Economics of teaching comment was why I decided to chime in. Litany of woes is why I furthered it. No one feels sorry whenever these "litany of woes" is being exacted on educators but somehow educators are supposed to feel guilty because others believe that they should be burning the midnight oil and are not. Not going to happen.

Its a,tough situation no matter how anyone slices it. Teachers were instructed to take it light on children with the amount of classwork and with their assessments.

There really isn't an incentive for a student with an A grade to complete the work. Most B students may not feel much incentive either.

The only students that are really going to bust their hump to complete the work are those with F and D grades. C students will feel some incentive but the impetus will on the D and F students to pick it up.

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That's not the sacrifice. 22 additional instructional days per year without compensation is the sacrifice.

I work in Administration. I only instruct so that 45-50 students per year can receive 6 hrs of college credit prior to attending college. Why? Because I am the only person qualified to teach a college level class in that particular subject. I have been out of the class for years. For this I receive nothing. Not one red cent. That is my "sacrifice" and I do it so that kids will save thousands on their tuition I also do it so that they will have a head start once they start college.

That's my sacrifice. This narrative that teachers don't care about their students is false. Most of them do and they demonstrate it each and every day..

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You know how many unpaid hours I put in to help someone else on the job? Plenty. Last week there was a day I finished at 2 but one of my mates was stuck on an issue so I drove over and helped off the clock until about 6. That happens all the time.
And ill tell you what, you think teachers spend a lot on school supplies... this year I had buy 2 new sets of manifold gauges for $550, new psychrometer for 200, 4 new temp probes for 25 each new hoses for about 100, new drill for 100, new step bit for 75, 2 new pipe clamps for 200 each. Pipe cutters. Tin snips. Thats just this season. In heating season there's sure to be more. I spend several thousand a season on tools.

Not many jobs don't require an investment of personal funds to do.

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None of this is relevant to my point or the reason I made my point. Looking for equivalencies for the purpose of finding a disagreement is of little interest too. This isn't about teachers "buying school supplies" I provide a service and have been for years without being compensated. We have been assigned 22 additional instructional days per year for the past 10 years and have not been compensated for it

That's our sacrifice. Whatever sacrifice you make on your job is great but no one has been questioning your sacrifice constantly. When they do then it will be relevant I guess.

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Its relevant because most people do this, LTG. My wife gets paid for 40 hours. I can't 4emember the last time she put in only a 40 hour week.
What you're experiencing is part of the real world. Those of us who are salaried have likely put in plenty of uncompensated service. We all buy shit for our jobs except for guys like Denis with the expense report. Your "sacrifice" as it is is positively nothing special.
Thats why its relevant.
And if you don't like it get it taken care of when your next CBA comes up. Or quit complaining about it. Or stop doing it.

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i think many teachers do this. But so do others. Teaching is like any other profession. there are tons of worthless teachers. i'm in sales. sales people are the worst. i hear it from EVERYONE but it rolls off my back. i could give a shit. sales is what keeps doors open 99% of the time in private business. But the moment you complain about worthless teachers, educators come out of the woodwork to defend them. you don't have to. if it makes someone think you are worthless who cares! i have 2 teenage daughters, this is every day for me!

i will say that a summer off if you can afford it is a tremendous perk. Half the teachers I know work another job in the summer to make ends meet.

Here is where you hypocrisy always takes precedence. I'm not complaining about it. And what your wife does is of little concern to me by the way and for what's it worth I'm certain that my conception of what the "real world" happens to be is much greater than yours.

Again if you do not understand the sort of sacrifice that teachers make then stop talking as you sound ignorant. This is a teacher thread that is the only reason I mentioned it. If I seem a tad defensive so what. As a person that has real skin in the game and really knows what they go through on a day to day basis it gets tiresome to hear all of the damn complaining all the time. If they think teachers are doing such a shitty job then maybe they should educate their own children.

Have you ever thought about that?

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no, this is a remote instructional days thread

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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During Teacher Appreciation Week this is what we get from good dolphin. Blaming teachers for trying to adjust to a pandemic where over 50% of the kids aren't even participating. Next we'll be knocking grocery store workers for not putting the toilet paper on the shelves quickly enough.

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And you keep talking about "sacrifices" and what most people do when day after day for the past 7 weeks people on this site have bitched and .moaned about bullshit sacrifices that aren't really sacrifices. And you haven't said shit so don't tell me about "sacrifices" that most people make. Its B.S. and it only exposes your hypocrisy even more.

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Maybe you can explain that to Darkside.

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I've been in some form of sales for nearly all of my adult life. I would like to think that I provide valuable services but I'm not quite arrogant enough to believe that anything I've seen done is the same/as important as teaching.

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