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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:23 am 
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What good would it really do to cut them off from imported foodstuffs?

They're virtually self sufficient, and whatever they are short, they'd only have to eliminate or eat that portion of the population.

well the entirety of Chinese history is basically the ling ding rebellion succeeds in toppling the fu kang kong resulting in the duk song dynasty. casaulties: 80 million.

so yeah, what you pose wouldn't be totally out of character.


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Maybe they created the Covid-19 to cull their own population of elderly and sick, and it got out of control.

Has anybody thought of that possibility?


Well their leader is in his mid sixties. Which would lead me to believe they have a vaccine if that was the case.

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They aren't self sufficient, though. They rely on food exports to feed their billion and a half people. Obviously cant cut them off from their land borders, but denying them the sea hurts them tremendously.


Why would they rely on food exports to feed their own people?

Seems counter productive.

They rely upon energy imports via sea to power their cities.

You're not self sufficient if you're reliant upon others for energy. The US learned that one the hard way in the 1970s



You seem to have missed the not so subtle.

If they were not food self sufficient, wouldn't they need to import food rather than export?

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GoldenJet wrote:
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They aren't self sufficient, though. They rely on food exports to feed their billion and a half people. Obviously cant cut them off from their land borders, but denying them the sea hurts them tremendously.


Why would they rely on food exports to feed their own people?

Seems counter productive.

They rely upon energy imports via sea to power their cities.

You're not self sufficient if you're reliant upon others for energy. The US learned that one the hard way in the 1970s



You seem to have missed the not so subtle.

If they were not food self sufficient, wouldn't they need to import food rather than export?

they do import food. That's why the trade war was so harmful to US farmers. They ended up buying from other sources instead of us once that trade war happened, but yeah I see Antarctica's typo there.

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China has basically one reliable ally, a bizarre hermit kingdom. At best everyone else just tolerates them.

Meanwhile we have this web of allies that love to buy our weapons (at heavily subsidized prices) and take part in a goofy war games exercises. Its not really China vs. USA, its China vs. the world.


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they do import food. That's why the trade war was so harmful to US farmers. They ended up buying from other sources instead of us once that trade war happened.[/quote
Exactly why it was a pathetic half measure by a shitty enabling president. The trade war strengthened China's strategic position at the cost of their economy, a good trade for the PRC.


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Maybe they created the Covid-19 to cull their own population of elderly and sick, and it got out of control.

Has anybody thought of that possibility?

It was part of their internal plan to become fully food self sufficient.


I don't think they would release something as unpredictable, random, and inefficient as this virus to kill citizens they did not want to feed. They would just round them up or stop feeding them.

What is interesting is that it certainly seemed to work to end the protests in Hong Kong and the coverage of that.

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China imports wheat. They don't necessarily need it to survive.

They produce enough rice to replace the wheat...they have achieved a virtual 1:1 ratio of rice produced to rice needed.

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they do import food. That's why the trade war was so harmful to US farmers. They ended up buying from other sources instead of us once that trade war happened.

Exactly why it was a pathetic half measure by a shitty enabling president. The trade war strengthened China's strategic position at the cost of their economy, a good trade for the PRC.


Trump is pretty terrible with strategy. But he has been the only President since Nixon opened relations to oppose China in anyway. Hopefully someone helps him to realize opposing China should be the future of NATO.

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China imports wheat. They don't necessarily need it to survive.

They produce enough rice to replace the wheat...they have achieved a virtual 1:1 ratio of rice produced to rice needed.

They are also reliant upon soybeans as animal feed for livestock

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Maybe they created the Covid-19 to cull their own population of elderly and sick, and it got out of control.

Has anybody thought of that possibility?

It was part of their internal plan to become fully food self sufficient.


I don't think they would release something as unpredictable, random, and inefficient as this virus to kill citizens they did not want to feed. They would just round them up or stop feeding them.

What is interesting is that it certainly seemed to work to end the protests in Hong Kong and the coverage of that.


Yet they would release something as unpredictable, random and inefficient upon the rest of the world?

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GoldenJet wrote:
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Maybe they created the Covid-19 to cull their own population of elderly and sick, and it got out of control.

Has anybody thought of that possibility?

It was part of their internal plan to become fully food self sufficient.


I don't think they would release something as unpredictable, random, and inefficient as this virus to kill citizens they did not want to feed. They would just round them up or stop feeding them.

What is interesting is that it certainly seemed to work to end the protests in Hong Kong and the coverage of that.


Yet they would release something as unpredictable, random and inefficient upon the rest of the world?


I think that it is simple as China wanting to cripple the rest of the world economically and to strengthen themselves. They DELIBERATELY released their infected people to the world and not only covered things up but they LIED about it not being spread from human to human. ANd like I said yesterday, there have been Chinese scientists caught trying to smuggle vials of various viruses into the US.

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Their entire economy is based on selling stuff to westerners. so yeah, I'm pretty sure the master plan was to destroy their own economy. great plan.

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GoldenJet wrote:
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Maybe they created the Covid-19 to cull their own population of elderly and sick, and it got out of control.

Has anybody thought of that possibility?

It was part of their internal plan to become fully food self sufficient.


I don't think they would release something as unpredictable, random, and inefficient as this virus to kill citizens they did not want to feed. They would just round them up or stop feeding them.

What is interesting is that it certainly seemed to work to end the protests in Hong Kong and the coverage of that.


Yet they would release something as unpredictable, random and inefficient upon the rest of the world?


That was a direct response to your ridiculous suggestion that China released the virus to become food self-sufficient.

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Their entire economy is based on selling stuff to westerners. so yeah, I'm pretty sure the master plan was to destroy their own economy. great plan.


Nope. That's not what I said. They wanted to cripple the economies around the world and they accomplished that. They have already sold billions of dollars of pandemic response items and equipment to the world including a billion dollars worth of masks to California made by a company that is going out of business and had never made masks before(they were an automobile manufacturer!!)

I think China really made a very huge tactical mistake and thought that their plan would really hamstring the US and Europe who would have no choice but turning to them for their own good. Well, China made what could be the biggest mistake made by a powerful country and that is to mess with the US.

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Eyeing a rising power across the Pacific with radically different values, a U.S. administration aims to boost economic integration with friendly nations in the region as a counterweight. Key participants include Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Vietnam.

But we’re not talking about the now defunct Trans-Pacific Partnership, or TPP, which was championed by President Obama and torpedoed by President Trump.

Last week, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the U.S. was looking at how to restructure supply chains with the help of friendly nations including Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Vietnam. On Monday, Reuters reported that the U.S. is pushing for a new alliance of “trusted partners,” including companies and civil society groups operating under common standards, called the Economic Prosperity Network, as a way to reduce dependence on China-centric supply chains.

A smaller TPP still exists, called the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership—or CPTPP—which includes all of the original participants apart from the U.S. A logical next step—albeit a difficult one politically—would be for the Trump administration to rejoin it. Many economists have long argued that any attempt to confront China unilaterally on trade is doomed to fail.

The TPP is dead and the CPTPP is old news. Long live the Comprehensive and Progressive Network for Trans-Pacific Economic Prosperity.

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Globalism is an acceptable hardship we need to bear in mobilizing our coalition against the existential threat of China. It's not really hypocritical at all for the State Dept and DOD to be advocating a different path.

The world has changed fundamentally and whats best for the economies of Australia, New Zealand, USA, SEA and Japan is the utter and complete annihilation of China by either famine or aerial hellfire. Once that's taken care of we can go back to abandoning bullshit globalist economics.


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Globalism is an acceptable hardship we need to bear in mobilizing our coalition against the existential threat of China. It's not really hypocritical at all for the State Dept and DOD to be advocating a different path.

The world has changed fundamentally and whats best for the economies of Australia, New Zealand, USA, SEA and Japan is the utter and complete annihilation of China by either famine or aerial hellfire. Once that's taken care of we can go back to abandoning bullshit globalist economics.

The agreement was there. It was done. Years and years go negotiation. Built to fight against China. Donny Dumbfuck pulled out and now he's scrambling.


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Globalism is an acceptable hardship we need to bear in mobilizing our coalition against the existential threat of China. It's not really hypocritical at all for the State Dept and DOD to be advocating a different path.

The world has changed fundamentally and whats best for the economies of Australia, New Zealand, USA, SEA and Japan is the utter and complete annihilation of China by either famine or aerial hellfire. Once that's taken care of we can go back to abandoning bullshit globalist economics.

The agreement was there. It was done. Years and years go negotiation. Built to fight against China. Donny Dumbfuck pulled out and now he's scrambling.



Maybe you don't remember, but a lot of people beyond Trump thought that was a bad deal. In fact, Hillary Clinton was staunchly against it:

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidenti ... trade_deal

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Globalism is an acceptable hardship we need to bear in mobilizing our coalition against the existential threat of China. It's not really hypocritical at all for the State Dept and DOD to be advocating a different path.

The world has changed fundamentally and whats best for the economies of Australia, New Zealand, USA, SEA and Japan is the utter and complete annihilation of China by either famine or aerial hellfire. Once that's taken care of we can go back to abandoning bullshit globalist economics.

The agreement was there. It was done. Years and years go negotiation. Built to fight against China. Donny Dumbfuck pulled out and now he's scrambling.



Maybe you don't remember, but a lot of people beyond Trump thought that was a bad deal. In fact, Hillary Clinton was staunchly against it:

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidenti ... trade_deal

Aware.

They were all wrong. Neither Dems or Repubs had the nuts to pass it.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Globalism is an acceptable hardship we need to bear in mobilizing our coalition against the existential threat of China. It's not really hypocritical at all for the State Dept and DOD to be advocating a different path.

The world has changed fundamentally and whats best for the economies of Australia, New Zealand, USA, SEA and Japan is the utter and complete annihilation of China by either famine or aerial hellfire. Once that's taken care of we can go back to abandoning bullshit globalist economics.

The agreement was there. It was done. Years and years go negotiation. Built to fight against China. Donny Dumbfuck pulled out and now he's scrambling.



Maybe you don't remember, but a lot of people beyond Trump thought that was a bad deal. In fact, Hillary Clinton was staunchly against it:

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidenti ... trade_deal

Aware.

They were all wrong.


I'm not sure about that.

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I am sure.



Based on what? How was the U.S. economy doing prior to this pandemic?

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What good would it really do to cut them off from imported foodstuffs?

They're virtually self sufficient, and whatever they are short, they'd only have to eliminate or eat that portion of the population.

well the entirety of Chinese history is basically the ling ding rebellion succeeds in toppling the fu kang kong resulting in the duk song dynasty. casaulties: 80 million.

so yeah, what you pose wouldn't be totally out of character.


Yeah, I remember the ling ding folks. They started making baseball bats. It became known as the DING BAT COMPANY. It went out of business when one of their bats was discovered with the Covid virus.

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Kirkwood wrote:
I am sure.



Based on what? How was the U.S. economy doing prior to this pandemic?

By not focusing on the next 18-36 months but years and decades ahead of us.


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I am sure.



Based on what? How was the U.S. economy doing prior to this pandemic?

By not focusing on the next 18-36 months but years and decades ahead of us.


China simply wants to rule the world but was not prepared for Trump to fuck up their plan for world domination. Simply put, China has declared war on the US and put the world on notice that they will resort to any means necessary to rule the world including their array of biological weapons. This was not any kind of an accident. They had a world renowned woman scientist who has worked for years with developing the bat virus. It is ludicrous to think that these assholes aren't developing big time biological weapons to release to the world.

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Trump has sadly done an immense amount of China enabling himself. We need somebody who is going to put the foot and down and use military force to enforce the same kind of Carthaginian peace that ended Prussian militarism.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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I am sure.



Based on what? How was the U.S. economy doing prior to this pandemic?

By not focusing on the next 18-36 months but years and decades ahead of us.

I couldn't disagree with this more.
Long-term vision is long lost with both the Democratic and Republican parties. The elite political class cares about 1 thing....their short term interests.

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Globalism is an acceptable hardship we need to bear in mobilizing our coalition against the existential threat of China. It's not really hypocritical at all for the State Dept and DOD to be advocating a different path.

The world has changed fundamentally and whats best for the economies of Australia, New Zealand, USA, SEA and Japan is the utter and complete annihilation of China by either famine or aerial hellfire. Once that's taken care of we can go back to abandoning bullshit globalist economics.

The agreement was there. It was done. Years and years go negotiation. Built to fight against China. Donny Dumbfuck pulled out and now he's scrambling.



Maybe you don't remember, but a lot of people beyond Trump thought that was a bad deal. In fact, Hillary Clinton was staunchly against it:

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidenti ... trade_deal

Aware.

They were all wrong. Neither Dems or Repubs had the nuts to pass it.

TPP was just another off shoring, big business investment. Just more sweatshops in Malaysia and Brunei and Vietnam.


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Nardi wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
Globalism is an acceptable hardship we need to bear in mobilizing our coalition against the existential threat of China. It's not really hypocritical at all for the State Dept and DOD to be advocating a different path.

The world has changed fundamentally and whats best for the economies of Australia, New Zealand, USA, SEA and Japan is the utter and complete annihilation of China by either famine or aerial hellfire. Once that's taken care of we can go back to abandoning bullshit globalist economics.

The agreement was there. It was done. Years and years go negotiation. Built to fight against China. Donny Dumbfuck pulled out and now he's scrambling.



Maybe you don't remember, but a lot of people beyond Trump thought that was a bad deal. In fact, Hillary Clinton was staunchly against it:

https://ballotpedia.org/2016_presidenti ... trade_deal

Aware.

They were all wrong. Neither Dems or Repubs had the nuts to pass it.

TPP was just another off shoring, big business investment. Just more sweatshops in Malaysia and Brunei and Vietnam.

yep.....and I'm sure anyone that supported it got a taste. Again....short-term vision.

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