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Just saw it tonight. Lived up to all the hype and more. I went with two friends and came home and told my wife to take everything you've read about Ledger's performance and times it by 20. He was absolutely unbelievable. Funny and skin crawlingly creepy.

Great cast and great story.

Agreed on Maggie. She could be up on Mt. Rushmore if she keeps this pace of aging up.

Also agree on the "Bat Vision". That could have been left out.

Also one of the few movies in a looooong time that applause followed the ending.

I haven't seen a Batman movie since the Keaton role and from what I've heard I'm glad I haven't. I'm even happier I waited till this installment.


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Just got back from seeing the film, and I agree with basically everyone else who states that Ledger should recieve at least an Oscar nomination for his performance. I did notice a few Chicago signs and Sears Tower shots slip through editing, which was a little odd, but overall this was a fantastic film. Not sure if it deserves to be rated #1 on IMDB.com over the Godfather films, but I would definitely put thi sin the top 10.

I am a little bothered, however, over some of the story lines and how they are going to tie into the earlier movies. For example, Ledger's Joker has scars across his face which gives him the look of a grin, however in the 1989 Batman the Joker recieves his odd grin as the result of a chemical accident.

Will Nolan plan on remaking the films with his own take on everything?


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
For example, Ledger's Joker has scars across his face which gives him the look of a grin, however in the 1989 Batman the Joker recieves his odd grin as the result of a chemical accident.

Will Nolan plan on remaking the films with his own take on everything?


Well the Joker has different origin stories...the vat of chemicals (bleaching his face, etc.) is the most common but it's not the only one.

What else would you say was only Nolan's take?


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 Post subject: Re: The Dark Knight
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The movie was very very good. Should i be scared that my son's favorite character in the movie was portrayed by Heath Ledger?? :eye:


Depends if we're talking "Brokeback Mountain", I suppose...


Never a surprise outta u beebo, but no....

more the "my 10 year old was having fun watching the bad guy treat Gotham like his own personal playground" type of uh-oh


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Fantastic movie! It was the fastest 2.5 hour movie ever. There was one thing that stuck in my craw though. I found it a little hard to belive that Two Face would still be able to have a functioning eye and then see through to his skull. I think they should have went more with make up and less with CG on that. I suppose they did that for shock value, but I just wasn't buying it. Anyone know who the villian or villians is supposed to be in the next one?

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Fantastic movie! It was the fastest 2.5 hour movie ever. There was one thing that stuck in my craw though. I found it a little hard to belive that Two Face would still be able to have a functioning eye and then see through to his skull. I think they should have went more with make up and less with CG on that. I suppose they did that for shock value, but I just wasn't buying it. Anyone know who the villian or villians is supposed to be in the next one?


I'd rather they didn't do another one. Pull a George Costanza and leave on a high note...but I know that won't happen.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
For example, Ledger's Joker has scars across his face which gives him the look of a grin, however in the 1989 Batman the Joker recieves his odd grin as the result of a chemical accident.

Will Nolan plan on remaking the films with his own take on everything?


Well the Joker has different origin stories...the vat of chemicals (bleaching his face, etc.) is the most common but it's not the only one.

What else would you say was only Nolan's take?


I would say that the overall mood of his two films completely differs from the past movies, which tended to get more goofy as the series went on. Personally, I prefer the darker, more gothic spins on the story as I believe it holds true to the early novels and comics.


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 Post subject: Re: The Dark Knight
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Okay, I just wanted to get this out of the way:

Maggie Ghyllenhall = unattractive.

Katie Holmes isn't bad, but Maggie looks like she's 40+ in this picture, and her saggy tits, lined ass face, and whiny voice made me glad her character did what she did in the film.


:lol: :lol: was thinking this too. You know she did used to be pretty cute, in "Secretary" she was pretty hot, and I definitely took notice of her in "Donnie Darko". But in "Dark Knight" she looked sunken.

She's not aging well...and that's unfortunate for her. She is a good actress.


I never thought she was even remotely attractive. She has a cartoon kind of face...kind of like Droopy.

The body is odd and definitely not up to "hot" movie star standards.

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 Post subject: Re: The Dark Knight
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Also one of the few movies in a looooong time that applause followed the ending.


It makes me crazy(Krazy) when people clap at the end of a movie. Unless someone who had a hand in film production happens to be at you local movie theater, it's quite pointless.

That being said, this is one of the best films I've seen in a long time.

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I actually think the clapping DURING the movie is retarded, but I know there are those people out there who like to get that involved in the story.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
I actually think the clapping DURING the movie is retarded, but I know there are those people out there who like to get that involved in the story.


That's just as bad...

I think it's a good rule of thumb just to leave the clapping at home when visiting the movies.

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I only clap when the usher removes people talking or using their cell phones during a movie. :roll:

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I think if more people left the clap at home before going out, the world would be a better place.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
I think if more people left the clap at home before going out, the world would be a better place.


well played, sir... :lol:

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i've clapped at a few movies in my life. sometimes i'd just get caught up with the audience. i was in a packed theatre for "Borat" and they were all cheering at the end, I couldn't help it...I started clapping too.

At the end of "Boyz in the Hood", I was clapping...

I've always wanted to start a slow clap at the end of a movie...


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i've clapped at a few movies in my life. sometimes i'd just get caught up with the audience. i was in a packed theatre for "Borat" and they were all cheering at the end, I couldn't help it...I started clapping too.

At the end of "Boyz in the Hood", I was clapping...

I've always wanted to start a slow clap at the end of a movie...


To borrow from David Letterman...Top 10 List Time!

Ten movies, other than Borat and Boyz in the Hood that Zach probably clapped at:

10. Roadhouse
9. Planet of the Apes (original)
8. An American Tale: Feivel Goes West
7. Se7en
6. Bewitched
5. Planet of the Apes (remake)
4. Head
3. The Diary of Anne Frank
2. D2: The Mighty Ducks

and the number one movie...

Driving Miss Daisy!


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Colonel Angus wrote:

5. Planet of the Apes (remake)


Yeah I was clapping that it was over... :twisted:


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Driving Miss Daisy!


ahah, yes very good.


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ARG!!!!!!!!!! TOOO HYPED! I thought the movie was good NOT great. Ledger was amazing and his death was a loss to the movie industry.

Lots of great one liners. Unlike others I checked my watch after 2hrs in thinking... whoa this has sometime yet to go.

Enjoyable but as someone else said "Not the out of body experience I was expecting".


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W_Z wrote:
i've clapped at a few movies in my life. sometimes i'd just get caught up with the audience. i was in a packed theatre for "Borat" and they were all cheering at the end, I couldn't help it...I started clapping too.

At the end of "Boyz in the Hood", I was clapping...

I've always wanted to start a slow clap at the end of a movie...


To borrow from David Letterman...Top 10 List Time!

Ten movies, other than Borat and Boyz in the Hood that Zach probably clapped at:

10. Roadhouse
9. Planet of the Apes (original)
8. An American Tale: Feivel Goes West
7. Se7en
6. Bewitched
5. Planet of the Apes (remake)
4. Head
3. The Diary of Anne Frank
2. D2: The Mighty Ducks

and the number one movie...

Driving Miss Daisy!




Roadhouse still gets me to clap at the end.

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 Post subject: Re: The Dark Knight
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By the way, I also loved the score for the movie. Particularly Joker's theme, I found it perfectly unnerving.

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 Post subject: Re: The Dark Knight
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Actually the music and transitions were MASTERFULLY done. That actually saved the movie for me. :?


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ARG!!!!!!!!!! TOOO HYPED! I thought the movie was good NOT great. Ledger was amazing and his death was a loss to the movie industry.

Lots of great one liners. Unlike others I checked my watch after 2hrs in thinking... whoa this has sometime yet to go.

Enjoyable but as someone else said "Not the out of body experience I was expecting".


I hope I don't offend any "Batman-Trekkies" out there, but I would only give this installment 3 out of 4 stars.

IMO Nicholson's joker was much more entertaining, and Ledger's version is that of an overacting, over-emoting Hollywood type. I found him believable, yet annoying, and I really appreciated Nicholson's more humorous, yet still evil and crazy Joker.

Tell me "THIS TOWN NEEDS AN ENEMA!" is not a classic!?

The action was overly dark and fast, but that has become commonplace since Spidey 3 and Transformers last year, and I think such trend has no end in sight.

I also do not like when these new directors go making their own storyline and back stories up. And I know that the actual comic books have crossed wires many such times, but to me, I revel in consistency and tie-ins.

I liked Batman Begins (the previous installment) much better, as I feel the back-story of Batman was actually more intriguing than Mr. Brokeback's. The fact that they pushed Batman and Bruce Wayne into the back seat annoyed me a bit.

Definitely worth the coin to go see, if just for the Chicago-watching, but not at all on par with REAL greats like Godfather, Goodfellas, Gump, Pulp, Deliverance, No Country, etc.. However, I guess it was in the top 5 of superhero movies. In a nostalgic way I guess I still prefer the first two Reeve Superman movies over most of these new CGI-specials.

My take on all the "Heath Ledger Hoopla": Remember, Ledger killed HIMSELF like a brooding, self-absorbed idiot. No ROLE killed him, the weak-minded douchebag did it to himself. And he didn't even have a couple of hookers over partying hard with him like Farley did.

3/4 stars


You sound like a 50 year old man that takes naps in the middle of the afternoon still. It was great.

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Frankly, I was very much entertained by Ledger's take on the Joker... mainly because it was more true to they way the character was originally meant to be portrayed. Nicholson's version was more of a cartoon-based concept, where comedy and goofiness was the foundation.

For what it is worth, the Joker was a ruthless killer who murdered for the fun of it. He was an insane criminal who "joked" about killing his victims and merely took on the Joker persona out of fun. I think this rendition of the character was much more in-line with what the authors originally were thinking when creating the character.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Frankly, I was very much entertained by Ledger's take on the Joker... mainly because it was more true to they way the character was originally meant to be portrayed. Nicholson's version was more of a cartoon-based concept, where comedy and goofiness was the foundation.

For what it is worth, the Joker was a ruthless killer who murdered for the fun of it. He was an insane criminal who "joked" about killing his victims and merely took on the Joker persona out of fun. I think this rendition of the character was much more in-line with what the authors originally were thinking when creating the character.


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How come superheroes/villains never get hit in the nuts? Wouldn't that slow them downs?

Is their crotch impenetrable? For example, when the Joker was getting interrogated by Batman, instead of slapping him around, trying to get him to talk, kick the fool in the balls! He'd be singing like a canary!


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I can't wait to see Heath Ledger's next movie project!

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God this movie sucked. Never has a film that takes itself so seriously had so little to say about so much. Dark Knight traffics in tired platitudes (Joker as a "terrorist" who is motivated by his love of "chaos", the reactionary portrayal of democratic ideals as impractical in the "real" world, etc) and an unnecessarily brooding attitude. And while Ledger's performance was serviceable, his death appears to be more responsible for the critical frenzy surrounding his performance than his acting was. This film amounts to nothing more than the appearance of seriousness functioning as a substitute for thoughtful engagement with the social world, a textbook example of the unadulterated triumph of style over substance.

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God this movie sucked. Never has a film that takes itself so seriously had so little to say about so much. Dark Knight traffics in tired platitudes (Joker as a "terrorist" who is motivated by his love of "chaos", the reactionary portrayal of democratic ideals as impractical in the "real" world, etc) and an unnecessarily brooding attitude. And while Ledger's performance was serviceable, his death appears to be more responsible for the critical frenzy surrounding his performance than his acting was. This film amounts to nothing more than the appearance of seriousness functioning as a substitute for thoughtful engagement with the social world, a textbook example of the unadulterated triumph of style over substance.


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Dark Knight traffics in tired platitudes (Joker as a "terrorist" who is motivated by his love of "chaos", the reactionary portrayal of democratic ideals as impractical in the "real" world, etc) and an unnecessarily brooding attitude.

Probably because it's based on a comic.

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