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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2020 4:34 pm 
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AT&T boss retires with $274,000 a month for life
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Company filings show that the departing chairman and CEO is retiring with a staggering pension account worth $64 million — enough, according to industry data, to provide the 59-year old with a guaranteed income of $274,000 a month for the rest of his days.

Stephenson even got a $1.2 million company matching contribution to his “deferral plans” last year. He also holds at least $20 million in stock and options in the company. His total compensation for the last three years averaged $30 million a year.

Awkwardly, Stephenson recently warned that AT&T’s 250,000 world-wide employees could face layoffs due to the coronavirus crisis. Details haven’t been announced. Nor have any severance terms.


This right here is the problem in our capitalist system. You have a crappy CEO who made horrible investment decisions for the company (AT&T) and when he gets fired (IE early retirement) gets such a egregious large golden parachute over the regular employee in which it doesn't matter if the executive does the company well or not the executive always wins at the end. While a regular employee fucks up at the job he/she will get the door without a penny more to their name. We have such disparity between executive pay vs. the regular worker over the past 30 years its gotten so crazy. No one deserves to make 1000 times the average worker salary (no matter what there responsibility is). We in society put these scumbags on a pedestal but treat the average worker as a disposable person.

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What's to DB? He worked hard and did all the things he needed to do and he is reaping the rewards. If you could do what he could do you'd be making the same amount of $$$.

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i guess that's why private sector pensions dont exist much anymore.

you'd have thought they would have found a way to fire him with cause to get out of it? i mean u-verse should be enough reason


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That prick is in the running for douchebag of the year.

Something really has to done to rein this kind of crap in.

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That prick is in the running for douchebag of the year.

Something really has to done to rein this kind of crap in.


i don't get it, everything seems to be in order here... isnt this how you do pensions?
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we need wealth caps. im not talking about people that make less than $274k a year. Talking about people that make $274k a month. theyll never vote for that though, every single senator would get fucked.

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we need wealth caps. im not talking about people that make less than $274k a year. Talking about people that make $274k a month. theyll never vote for that though, every single senator would get fucked.


For privately owned companies, I have no problem with it. Publicly traded companies on the other hand that is completely obscene. Especially when the company is discussing layoffs. As usual.

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If you're a youngin and starting your career - go the 'BE A CEO ONE DAY' route.

It proves again and again it's a great way to earn a ton of money while being a scumbag.


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we need wealth caps. im not talking about people that make less than $274k a year. Talking about people that make $274k a month. theyll never vote for that though, every single senator would get fucked.


For privately owned companies, I have no problem with it. Publicly traded companies on the other hand that is completely obscene. Especially when the company is discussing layoffs. As usual.

Maybe you should buy some stock and vote against it? Ike can be your proxy.

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IkeSouth wrote:
we need wealth caps. im not talking about people that make less than $274k a year. Talking about people that make $274k a month. theyll never vote for that though, every single senator would get fucked.


For privately owned companies, I have no problem with it. Publicly traded companies on the other hand that is completely obscene. Especially when the company is discussing layoffs. As usual.

Maybe you should buy some stock and vote against it? Ike can be your proxy.


I haven't held T in years. It was a milquetoast company back then as well.

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Franky T wrote:
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IkeSouth wrote:
we need wealth caps. im not talking about people that make less than $274k a year. Talking about people that make $274k a month. theyll never vote for that though, every single senator would get fucked.


For privately owned companies, I have no problem with it. Publicly traded companies on the other hand that is completely obscene. Especially when the company is discussing layoffs. As usual.

Maybe you should buy some stock and vote against it? Ike can be your proxy.


Executive pay packages at publicly traded companies are usually voted for by board of directors which you guessed it are made of former and current executives of other companies. They always vote in there best interest to increase executive pay packages (argument to retain talent at that level). Its basically a good old boys network where only a very few individuals are on boards but those individuals are usually on multiple company boards (not just 1) and more times than none vote for egregious pay packages that includes crazy golden parachutes!

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Regular Reader wrote:
IkeSouth wrote:
we need wealth caps. im not talking about people that make less than $274k a year. Talking about people that make $274k a month. theyll never vote for that though, every single senator would get fucked.


For privately owned companies, I have no problem with it. Publicly traded companies on the other hand that is completely obscene. Especially when the company is discussing layoffs. As usual.

I completely agree.

Our recently "retired" CEO was in the role for 5 years. Company completely slid the entire time. There were industry and market forces that were beyond his control, but he also made every mistake possible along the way, as well. These suits all have contracts with out clauses. 24 months paid severance.

I'm all for free market and I fully accept and understand the world isn't fair....still.....this shit happens with EVERY fucking company and it's unacceptable. Especially as you said.....while countless people lose their jobs with NO severance at the same time.

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we need wealth caps. im not talking about people that make less than $274k a year. Talking about people that make $274k a month. theyll never vote for that though, every single senator would get fucked.


For privately owned companies, I have no problem with it. Publicly traded companies on the other hand that is completely obscene. Especially when the company is discussing layoffs. As usual.


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Yep!

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I own the stock. Love the dividend.

The company has a public market value of over $200B. If he moves the $30 share price by one dollar, the company’s value goes up by about six billion. That’s the context for executive pay like his.

The levels of compensation for often poor performance is absurd. But when you consider the value of what they are running, and the number of people they are managing, it is really no worse than what a movie star or pro athlete makes.

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I own the stock. Love the dividend.

The company has a public market value of over $200B. If he moves the $30 share price by one dollar, the company’s value goes up by about six billion. That’s the context for executive pay like his.

The levels of compensation for often poor performance is absurd. But when you consider the value of what they are running, and the number of people they are managing, it is really no worse than what a movie star or pro athlete makes.

When I realized that it had a ridiculously consistent trading period of about $12-15, I'd buy and sell it based solely on the range. Usually took about a month.

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So that's $3.3m a year, which is about a quarter of what the Bears gave to Jimmy Graham as basically a retirement gift.


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So that's $3.3m a year, which is about a quarter of what the Bears gave to Jimmy Graham as basically a retirement gift.

Or three times' Bobby Bonilla's 'pension,' which isn't awful adjusting for cost of living.

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Good for him. That's just a fraction of the value he delivered in his 13 years at the top.

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I own the stock. Love the dividend.

The company has a public market value of over $200B. If he moves the $30 share price by one dollar, the company’s value goes up by about six billion. That’s the context for executive pay like his.

The levels of compensation for often poor performance is absurd. But when you consider the value of what they are running, and the number of people they are managing, it is really no worse than what a movie star or pro athlete makes.


He must have billions for those who hold his stock in 401K plans.

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Good for him. That's just a fraction of the value he delivered in his 13 years at the top.

Care to explain?


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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Good for him. That's just a fraction of the value he delivered in his 13 years at the top.

That's some Grade A bootlicking right there.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Good for him. That's just a fraction of the value he delivered in his 13 years at the top.


by value, you mean $160 billion+ in long-term debt at the end of 2019.

As a CEO his accomplishments are:
- $50 billion bet on satellite distributor DirecTV in 2014.
- $85.4 billion acquisition of Time Warner.
- Stock price has not moved in 10 years (compare to T-Mobile or Verizon)
- AT&T has been rated the worst carrier of all carriers by Consumer Reports.
- Lack of investment to compete against Comcast in High Speed Broadband market (still offer slow DSL in most markets)

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Good for him. That's just a fraction of the value he delivered in his 13 years at the top.


by value, you mean $160 billion+ in long-term debt at the end of 2019.

As a CEO his accomplishments are:
- $50 billion bet on satellite distributor DirecTV in 2014.
- $85.4 billion acquisition of Time Warner.
- Stock price has not moved in 10 years (compare to T-Mobile or Verizon)
- AT&T has been rated the worst carrier of all carriers by Consumer Reports.
- Lack of investment to compete against Comcast in High Speed Broadband market (still offer slow DSL in most markets)

The DirectTV acquisition is a disaster. $50B set on fire.


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polster wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Good for him. That's just a fraction of the value he delivered in his 13 years at the top.


by value, you mean $160 billion+ in long-term debt at the end of 2019.

As a CEO his accomplishments are:
- $50 billion bet on satellite distributor DirecTV in 2014.
- $85.4 billion acquisition of Time Warner.
- Stock price has not moved in 10 years (compare to T-Mobile or Verizon)
- AT&T has been rated the worst carrier of all carriers by Consumer Reports.
- Lack of investment to compete against Comcast in High Speed Broadband market (still offer slow DSL in most markets)

Yeah, that's not what I'd call a very good resume. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but again.....how many employees get canned or position eliminated with ZERO.

These clowns make enough DURING the active time as CEO to live wealthy for the rest of their lives.....not to mention their VP years leading up to it, which also carry the similar benefits and compensation. Again....I get there are have and have nots, but these parachute packages are beyond free market and are unacceptable. There should be caps. We haven't even touched the stock dollars they leave with, as well.

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polster wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Good for him. That's just a fraction of the value he delivered in his 13 years at the top.


by value, you mean $160 billion+ in long-term debt at the end of 2019.

As a CEO his accomplishments are:
- $50 billion bet on satellite distributor DirecTV in 2014.
- $85.4 billion acquisition of Time Warner.
- Stock price has not moved in 10 years (compare to T-Mobile or Verizon)
- AT&T has been rated the worst carrier of all carriers by Consumer Reports.
- Lack of investment to compete against Comcast in High Speed Broadband market (still offer slow DSL in most markets)

Yeah, that's not what I'd call a very good resume. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but again.....how many employees get canned or position eliminated with ZERO.

These clowns make enough DURING the active time as CEO to live wealthy for the rest of their lives.....not to mention their VP years leading up to it, which also carry the similar benefits and compensation. Again....I get there are have and have nots, but these parachute packages are beyond free market and are unacceptable. There should be caps. We haven't even touched the stock dollars they leave with, as well.


Sounds like someone wants a helicopter ride.

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SpiralStairs wrote:
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polster wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Good for him. That's just a fraction of the value he delivered in his 13 years at the top.


by value, you mean $160 billion+ in long-term debt at the end of 2019.

As a CEO his accomplishments are:
- $50 billion bet on satellite distributor DirecTV in 2014.
- $85.4 billion acquisition of Time Warner.
- Stock price has not moved in 10 years (compare to T-Mobile or Verizon)
- AT&T has been rated the worst carrier of all carriers by Consumer Reports.
- Lack of investment to compete against Comcast in High Speed Broadband market (still offer slow DSL in most markets)

Yeah, that's not what I'd call a very good resume. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but again.....how many employees get canned or position eliminated with ZERO.

These clowns make enough DURING the active time as CEO to live wealthy for the rest of their lives.....not to mention their VP years leading up to it, which also carry the similar benefits and compensation. Again....I get there are have and have nots, but these parachute packages are beyond free market and are unacceptable. There should be caps. We haven't even touched the stock dollars they leave with, as well.


Sounds like someone wants a helicopter ride.

I don't need a golden parachute....I'm good. Consistent standards would be nice, though.

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Ogie, help the man understand.

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Ogie, help the man understand.

AT&T revenue in 2006, last year before he took over: $63.05B
AT&T revenue last year: $181.19B

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SpiralStairs wrote:
Ogie, help the man understand.

AT&T revenue in 2006, last year before he took over: $63.05B
AT&T revenue last year: $181.19B


Those dividends and all else don't just materialize.

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