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Give an executive an extra $20M and he'll blow it literally on blow.

No, he'll probably pump it into the market as capital that gets reinvested into the economy.


And yet the airline industry got just that in a foolish tax cut and here they are with aging fleets and being choked out. Which only benefited their biggest shareholders.

Again.

Aging fleets? The US airline industry churns aircraft out all the time. The only reason they are still flying ancient 757 and 767's is because Boeing isnt making new ones.


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Give an executive an extra $20M and he'll blow it literally on blow.

No, he'll probably pump it into the market as capital that gets reinvested into the economy.

Good drone. You've learned the talking points!

its just reality. All the data you need to know about Americans and their spending habits is fully available, the market research done in these analytic driven times is so thorough nothing is ambiguous.

Americans already have more money than anyone else in the world of their same social strata. They are all fat, miserable, ignorant slobs. You think giving them even more money will reform them? No way.

Honestly the policy of the billionaires holding all the wealth and playing keep away from the government so the ignorant, entitled masses cant vote themselves endless money to an extent works in practice. As long as the military can maintain its hegemony to preserve the Great Peace.

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Its not like your class warfare nonsense is without its own backers and agenda.


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Anyone who has lived ion or spent significant time in Australia knows that Aussie is basically all the good parts of the USA with almost none of the bad. They dont have as nice of climate or national parks, but they are basically way better for everything else.

But overall your point is correct. Americans are very prosperous, few other countries even come close and those that do (that aren't just oil rentier states) like Australia and Canada are just doing an imitation of the American system.


My biggest problem with Australia when I was there is that the restaurants didn’t offer free iced tea or soda refills.

But all kidding aside, they have a major housing crisis as the people are clustered around the ocean areas and tight land use policies. They have major water issues. Their economy has been rock solid as they rode their commodity output alongside the China boom. They do not have anywhere near the overall quality of life as the U.S. it is honestly a very backwards place. I appreciated the look this way markers on the Sydney streets.

It’s fine. It’s like a decent minor league team next to the Yankees.

Ok if we're going to start nitpicking like this lets bring up the crisis-level issue of obesity and general unhealthiness in America. Or the rampant entitlement "Karen" mentality. Or the fact that twenty million people (roughly the population of Australia) live in this country as illegal immigrants and one of the two main political parties supports it. Or how basically the entire southwest faces a long term water crisis way worse than Australia's. And you wanna talk about a debt/housing bubble?

Melbourne would be the best city in the USA. Sydney and Perth would be top five. Adelaide is probably nicer than all of them to live in.


When u changing that username to Australia?

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Its not like your class warfare nonsense is without its own backers and agenda.

No calls for war. But I'm not going pretend people are poor because they buy McDonald's.


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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2020 9:23 pm 
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Lol, its not McDonalds even...

https://www.farmprogress.com/farm-life/ ... -groceries

yeah, an average home cooked meal costs $5, an average meal out costs around $17. and there is no doubt that poor people eat out a lot...for proof?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-t ... 2016-06-10

So yeah, I dont buy the sob story at all. At the root of all this is a person's stupid decisions and bad habits.


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Lol, its not McDonalds even...

https://www.farmprogress.com/farm-life/ ... -groceries

yeah, an average home cooked meal costs $5, an average meal out costs around $17. and there is no doubt that poor people eat out a lot...for proof?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-t ... 2016-06-10

So yeah, I dont buy the sob story at all. At the root of all this is a person's stupid decisions and bad habits.


You can get a McDonald's meal for less than $4. Chicken, fries and a large pop.

Same for breakfast.

Water, fresh meat and vegetables would easily cost more. Canned too.

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You can get a McDonald's meal for less than $4. Chicken, fries and a large pop.

Same for breakfast.

Water, fresh meat and vegetables would easily cost more. Canned too.

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Australia has about as many people as I-95 from Boston to DC.

I had the pleasure of being there for three weeks about a decade ago, and spent some time with some second cousins and their parents (my dad's first cousins). It felt in many ways like the United States circa 1978, but with technology. I got sick with a bad sinus infection, and had to go to an ER. It was pretty spartan, but it only cost me about A$200. But I wouldn't have wanted to be really sick there, and this was one of the better hospitals in Sydney.

One of my second cousins put it best: Australia is small enough population wise, and new enough as a country removed from too much UK oversight, that they can wait and see what works and what fails in the US, Canada, Western Europe, and to a lesser extent SE Asia, and pick and choose what they like. But it wouldn't scale to ten times as much population.

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Lol, its not McDonalds even...

https://www.farmprogress.com/farm-life/ ... -groceries

yeah, an average home cooked meal costs $5, an average meal out costs around $17. and there is no doubt that poor people eat out a lot...for proof?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-t ... 2016-06-10

So yeah, I dont buy the sob story at all. At the root of all this is a person's stupid decisions and bad habits.


You can get a McDonald's meal for less than $4. Chicken, fries and a large pop.

Same for breakfast.

Water, fresh meat and vegetables would easily cost more. Canned too.

And besides, that was percentage of income. The poor spend more on eating out than all but the richest in American society.


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People with pensions and 401K plans are active and willing participants in that Ponzi scheme.


Obviously. But they're more likely to be the people watching and believing what guys like him b.s. about on CNBC and then get harmed by the hysteria they help create. Then take some more on their way out.


So your real issue is one Ponzi scheme player takes more than the others.

This whole ship is going to sink. If you really want to help others, tell them to take their money out now. Before it’s too late.

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Lol, its not McDonalds even...

https://www.farmprogress.com/farm-life/ ... -groceries

yeah, an average home cooked meal costs $5, an average meal out costs around $17. and there is no doubt that poor people eat out a lot...for proof?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-t ... 2016-06-10

So yeah, I dont buy the sob story at all. At the root of all this is a person's stupid decisions and bad habits.


You can get a McDonald's meal for less than $4. Chicken, fries and a large pop.

Same for breakfast.

Water, fresh meat and vegetables would easily cost more. Canned too.

That's not a lot of chicken, maybe two ounces of protein.

But tonight I picked up two 4-piece dinners from Bojangles. Each had a side, a biscuit, and a 20 oz fountain drink. A shade under $18.

Now I'm not exactly a light eater. But I will get two dinners and the meat for two lunches from that. (Legs, wings, Mac and cheese, Cole slaw and a biscuit tonight, two thighs and the other biscuit tomorrow, two breasts each vacuum sealed in the freezer to pull out over the next two weeks). I'll make some mashed potatoes or some corn with the breasts, so call it $20 all in or $5/meal. I do this every three weeks.

Of course, Costco at $5 for a whole rotisserie chicken is a better meal albeit not tastier, and I buy two of those every six weeks. Even if you pay the $60/year membership and only buy 4 chickens a month, that's still only $7/chicken.

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Ogie, help the man understand.

AT&T revenue in 2006, last year before he took over: $63.05B
AT&T revenue last year: $181.19B


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Lol, its not McDonalds even...

https://www.farmprogress.com/farm-life/ ... -groceries

yeah, an average home cooked meal costs $5, an average meal out costs around $17. and there is no doubt that poor people eat out a lot...for proof?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-t ... 2016-06-10

So yeah, I dont buy the sob story at all. At the root of all this is a person's stupid decisions and bad habits.


You can get a McDonald's meal for less than $4. Chicken, fries and a large pop.

Same for breakfast.

Water, fresh meat and vegetables would easily cost more. Canned too.

That's not a lot of chicken, maybe two ounces of protein.

But tonight I picked up two 4-piece dinners from Bojangles. Each had a side, a biscuit, and a 20 oz fountain drink. A shade under $18.

Now I'm not exactly a light eater. But I will get two dinners and the meat for two lunches from that. (Legs, wings, Mac and cheese, Cole slaw and a biscuit tonight, two thighs and the other biscuit tomorrow, two breasts each vacuum sealed in the freezer to pull out over the next two weeks). I'll make some mashed potatoes or some corn with the breasts, so call it $20 all in or $5/meal. I do this every three weeks.

Of course, Costco at $5 for a whole rotisserie chicken is a better meal albeit not tastier, and I buy two of those every six weeks. Even if you pay the $60/year membership and only buy 4 chickens a month, that's still only $7/chicken.


Fine, but the most attractive parts of the meal are greasy, salt infused and then the pop that's more expensive than than water in many communities.

And I actually don't like chicken btw, except that it's a healthier protein than red meat and tastier? than beans or gravel.

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That's not a lot of chicken, maybe two ounces of protein.

But tonight I picked up two 4-piece dinners from Bojangles. Each had a side, a biscuit, and a 20 oz fountain drink. A shade under $18.

Now I'm not exactly a light eater. But I will get two dinners and the meat for two lunches from that. (Legs, wings, Mac and cheese, Cole slaw and a biscuit tonight, two thighs and the other biscuit tomorrow, two breasts each vacuum sealed in the freezer to pull out over the next two weeks). I'll make some mashed potatoes or some corn with the breasts, so call it $20 all in or $5/meal. I do this every three weeks.

Of course, Costco at $5 for a whole rotisserie chicken is a better meal albeit not tastier, and I buy two of those every six weeks. Even if you pay the $60/year membership and only buy 4 chickens a month, that's still only $7/chicken.


It doesn't really keep you satiated, it's not healthy, and when you start multiplying it by the # of people in your household it's not economical. You can feed a household of 3 or 4 on way less than 16-20 a dinner. I try to or can keep most of my dinners at $7-10 per night for 3-4 people.


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My God, there are some horrible takes in this thread.

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That's not a lot of chicken, maybe two ounces of protein.

But tonight I picked up two 4-piece dinners from Bojangles. Each had a side, a biscuit, and a 20 oz fountain drink. A shade under $18.

Now I'm not exactly a light eater. But I will get two dinners and the meat for two lunches from that. (Legs, wings, Mac and cheese, Cole slaw and a biscuit tonight, two thighs and the other biscuit tomorrow, two breasts each vacuum sealed in the freezer to pull out over the next two weeks). I'll make some mashed potatoes or some corn with the breasts, so call it $20 all in or $5/meal. I do this every three weeks.

Of course, Costco at $5 for a whole rotisserie chicken is a better meal albeit not tastier, and I buy two of those every six weeks. Even if you pay the $60/year membership and only buy 4 chickens a month, that's still only $7/chicken.


It doesn't really keep you satiated, it's not healthy, and when you start multiplying it by the # of people in your household it's not economical. You can feed a household of 3 or 4 on way less than 16-20 a dinner. I try to or can keep most of my dinners at $7-10 per night for 3-4 people.

Yeah, that's one of two splurge meals per week. The other is an expensive protein, such as lamb chops or a strip steak. My point was only that you can eat out and eat something filling and somewhat healthy for $5-7/adult.

Tonight's dinner is primarily roasted cauliflower with some mock buffalo sauce and olive oil. A good bit more healthy.

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Ogie, help the man understand.

AT&T revenue in 2006, last year before he took over: $63.05B
AT&T revenue last year: $181.19B


Those dividends and all else don't just materialize.


Those at the top end of a Ponzi scheme always make more money.

They have more responsibility and investment in the scheme to keep it going.

Those at the bottom end, or new(er) investors in 401K and pension plans will end up holding the bag.

If they don't shut down the internet some day, they will come back here again and bitch about the rich again, all the while re-electing the same people that allowed the same scheme that MANY willingly participated in.

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Its not like your class warfare nonsense is without its own backers and agenda.

No calls for war. But I'm not going pretend people are poor because they buy McDonald's.

Except when you go into how they spend their money you find tons of discretionary purchases and lots of just bonehead stupid financial decisions. I know I know, this where we talk about "education" being the issue. As if you cant just search on Google or YouTube "how to not be financially moronic", but then again that doesn't keep the excuse train running. If people ever had to actually accept responsibility for themselves that would be the end of leftism and entitlement mentality. That ideology crumbles at the sight of accountability.


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Just like professional athletes, I'm sure he'll spend it on buying tigers and restaurant business and be bankrupt within a few years and I'll laugh at him.

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Antarctica wrote:
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Its not like your class warfare nonsense is without its own backers and agenda.

No calls for war. But I'm not going pretend people are poor because they buy McDonald's.

Except when you go into how they spend their money you find tons of discretionary purchases and lots of just bonehead stupid financial decisions. I know I know, this where we talk about "education" being the issue. As if you cant just search on Google or YouTube "how to not be financially moronic", but then again that doesn't keep the excuse train running. If people ever had to actually accept responsibility for themselves that would be the end of leftism and entitlement mentality. That ideology crumbles at the sight of accountability.


You can't fairly criticize people for financial decisions when the educational system and the cultural norms have failed them so miserably.

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL8w_A ... I3k6PR5Z6w

Free to anyone with an internet connection. You can watch it from a library. Its not prefect, but its quality and its done by PBS so its not some yahoo in his basement.

So really, all the education you really need on how not to be financially hopeless is out there.


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I should add that the cultural norms are their own damn fault.


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