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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:21 am 
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"See, your rights aren't being eroded! You can gather with a few people on private property!"

Not to mention Lightfoot said Lunchrooms and breakrooms are GONE when people return to work, which is illegal according to IL state law.

Let me explain this to you slowly. I quoted a JORR post and responded to it. You are now trying to act like I'm making a different argument. Now, call me obtuse for not understanding what your changing of my thought was and we can move on.

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Does the USA stand for family and faith? No, the church is reviled.

MANY churches have lost their mission

Even if they have, they are still vastly superior to the new Church of Marvel/Star Wars/whatever else that poisons and infantilizes people.

I bet you wouldn't say that if the loudest voices of religion actually followed the teachings of Jesus instead of Grover Norquist.

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Let me explain to you for about the fifth time over the past 24 hours. If you think the biggest issue with lockdowns is that people can't get a haircut or dine in at a restaurant, and judging from your post below that seems to be how you feel, then you absolutely are obtuse and do not understand that keeping things closed and taking away peoples' rights is MANY times worse than what the outcome of this virus will be.
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It isn't just the ones who want the shut downs but also to those who act like the citizens have no rights because you can't get a haircut and eat in a restaurant and instead have to do takeout.

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Does the USA stand for family and faith? No, the church is reviled.

MANY churches have lost their mission

Even if they have, they are still vastly superior to the new Church of Marvel/Star Wars/whatever else that poisons and infantilizes people.

I bet you wouldn't say that if the loudest voices of religion actually followed the teachings of Jesus instead of Grover Norquist.

Ah yes, religious scholar B Mac here to tell us all about a religion he cant stand.


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Get on your local Facebook page and ask if anyone can cut your hair and I guarantee you'll get a bunch of private messages offering to do it, as long as you're willing to get roasted by people posting that you're a killer.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Let me explain to you for about the fifth time over the past 24 hours. If you think the biggest issue with lockdowns is that people can't get a haircut or dine in at a restaurant, and judging from your post below that seems to be how you feel, then you absolutely are obtuse and do not understand that keeping things closed and taking away peoples' rights is MANY times worse than what the outcome of this virus will be.
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It isn't just the ones who want the shut downs but also to those who act like the citizens have no rights because you can't get a haircut and eat in a restaurant and instead have to do takeout.

Why are you switching to a completely different thought you seemingly originally ignored?

I'm fine with responding to a response to that quote, though yours doesn't really have anything to respond to since it's basically "You are wrong but I won't explain why" but it has nothing to do with my response about JORR saying you'll be arrested for inviting people to your home and that means that rights were stripped.

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Jorr said the mayor has threatened jail if he invites people into his home. I provided a quote where the mayor said just that.

Keep Bricking.

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Get on your local Facebook page and ask if anyone can cut your hair and I guarantee you'll get a bunch of private messages offering to do it, as long as you're willing to get roasted by people posting that you're a killer.

Yes, black and grey markets are considered part and parcel of unfree societies. They were rampant in Nazi Germany, USSR, Apartheid South Africa, Imperial Japan, Federalist Russia. Truth is people find a way to do things anyways and government cant actually throw people in jail for getting a haircut or they'll have a mutiny on their hands.

But the fact that such things are forced to underground because we need to soothe the tyrannical impulses of powermad politicians and Karen's is very alarming, and it forebodes a climate where less innocuous assemblies of people are well and truly banned.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Insane overreactions and massive hyperbole.

It isn't just the ones who want the shut downs but also to those who act like the citizens have no rights because you can't get a haircut and eat in a restaurant and instead have to do takeout.

This tactic of minimizing the right to congregate being stripped as "not being able to get a haircut" is an infuriating bad faith tactic of leftists who again, see China not as an adversary but as a model.
What do you mean that the right to congregate has been stripped?



Lori Lightfoot has threatened me with jail if I invite anyone over to my house, let alone fifty people.
She can say what she wants. There is no chance any conviction for that will stand up to the courts. When I think of rights being stripped I don't think of mayors saying things they can't really enforce.



That's great! But until such time as I can have my lawyer slug it out in courts that are running on a skeleton level, I may have to deal with some time sitting at 26th and Cal in a cell that has been vacated by a rapist who was released because Kim Foxx and Tom Dart were concerned about him catching COVID.

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Jorr said the mayor has threatened jail if he invites people into his home. I provided a quote where the mayor said just that.
I didn't see the quote of yours, but I will also point out that my whole point was that she can say what she wants but it's also not going to stand up in court. So, you posting the quote of her saying that wouldn't matter since I know she said it. You then posted statistics about a thing that was not relevant to the discussion?

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Is that from when Steve became disillusioned in the wake of Vietnam and the death of Bucky and became Nomad for a few issues?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
That's great! But until such time as I can have my lawyer slug it out in courts that are running on a skeleton level, I may have to deal with some time sitting at 26th and Cal in a cell that has been vacated by a rapist who was released because Kim Foxx and Tom Dart were concerned about him catching COVID.
Civil disobedience can be hard some time. I'm glad that past defenders of liberty weren't worried about a night in jail.

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Hypothetical Chicagoan is fear of Lori Lightfoot arresting him.

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Nas wrote:
Hypothetical Chicagoan is fear of Lori Lightfoot arresting him.



Who is the hypothetical Chicagoan in this discussion?

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Nazi Germany, USSR, Apartheid South Africa, Imperial Japan, Federalist Russia.


Woo! BOTH SIDES DO IT! HORSESHOE THEORY!


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
That's great! But until such time as I can have my lawyer slug it out in courts that are running on a skeleton level, I may have to deal with some time sitting at 26th and Cal in a cell that has been vacated by a rapist who was released because Kim Foxx and Tom Dart were concerned about him catching COVID.
Civil disobedience can be hard some time. I'm glad that past defenders of liberty weren't worried about a night in jail.



So now you're admitting the very thing you were just arguing did not exist.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Hypothetical Chicagoan is fear of Lori Lightfoot arresting him.



Who is the hypothetical Chicagoan in this discussion?


You. You're not a Chicagoan unless that's recently changed. You're just effectively stirring shit.

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United States of America.

Jesus fellas, this shouldn't be that hard.


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Nas wrote:
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Hypothetical Chicagoan is fear of Lori Lightfoot arresting him.



Who is the hypothetical Chicagoan in this discussion?


You. You're not a Chicagoan unless that's recently changed. You're just effectively stirring shit.



What the fuck are you talking about? I've lived in Chicago for the last ten years.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Insane overreactions and massive hyperbole.

It isn't just the ones who want the shut downs but also to those who act like the citizens have no rights because you can't get a haircut and eat in a restaurant and instead have to do takeout.


Brick is correct about this

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Insane overreactions and massive hyperbole.
Yep. The USA has turned into one giant Boilermaker Rick.
This is a poor argument even by your standards.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Hypothetical Chicagoan is fear of Lori Lightfoot arresting him.



Who is the hypothetical Chicagoan in this discussion?


You. You're not a Chicagoan unless that's recently changed. You're just effectively stirring shit.



What the fuck are you talking about? I've lived in Chicago for the last ten years.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
That's great! But until such time as I can have my lawyer slug it out in courts that are running on a skeleton level, I may have to deal with some time sitting at 26th and Cal in a cell that has been vacated by a rapist who was released because Kim Foxx and Tom Dart were concerned about him catching COVID.
Civil disobedience can be hard some time. I'm glad that past defenders of liberty weren't worried about a night in jail.

If there's no risk, it's not civil disobedience.

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Common tentposts of most religions are sanctity of all life and reward in the hereafter.


And yet life on earth would seem to be relatively meaningless compared to the promise of an eternal heaven. Maybe all of this "abundance of caution" is just another indication of the decline of religious belief.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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That's great! But until such time as I can have my lawyer slug it out in courts that are running on a skeleton level, I may have to deal with some time sitting at 26th and Cal in a cell that has been vacated by a rapist who was released because Kim Foxx and Tom Dart were concerned about him catching COVID.
Civil disobedience can be hard some time. I'm glad that past defenders of liberty weren't worried about a night in jail.



So now you're admitting the very thing you were just arguing did not exist.
What did I argue didn't exist? The stay at home order does exist, and the mayor did say what you said. My point was that it would never stand up in court, and she can say whatever she wants. Of course there is a 1 in a million chance that you are the guy in Chicago that gets arrested because you invited a couple people over to your house and get hauled off to Cook County jail but you won't get convicted, and I would guess you would get a nice payout from the city for violating your civil rights when this is all said and done.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Common tentposts of most religions are sanctity of all life and reward in the hereafter.


And yet life on earth would seem to be relatively meaningless compared to the promise of an eternal heaven. Maybe all of this "abundance of caution" is just another indication of the decline of religious belief.

This thought had occurred to me. People are so convinced now that this life is all that there is, so they are clinging to it past the point of reason and sanity.


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