My wife didn't know anything about the Bulls except that Jordan played for them and they won a lot. She was puzzled that the whole last episode was about how difficult it was for the Bulls to squeak past Indiana and then how spent they were in the Utah series and how they- and Jordan himself- kept saying Jordan was "exhausted" and "running on fumes", etc. and then suddenly Jordan acted as if another championship was guaranteed if they had all come back.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Jordan's yellow eyes point toward alcoholism and overtaxed liver.

If he doesn't stop drinking, he'll be finished within years.

This is why women shouldn't be allowed to watch sports.

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It was pretty incongruous. The whole jist of the last two episodes was that those last two series were a near impossible slog for the Bulls and a physically and mentally spent Jordan. Then suddenly the narrative changed to suggest that another championship was inevitable if not for the two evil Jerrys.

I think anyone who is really honest with himself, no matter how big of a Bulls fan he was/is, has to admit that it was the right time to end things. Losing in the playoffs the next season would have taken some of the mystique away.

It would have been better if that had been Jordan's last shot. There was no need for him to slob around in Washington. But nobody really remembers that anyway.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

haha I just saw an article about this. Are we going all Dr. Phil now and making assumptions about people's health?

JR is so fond of Krause because he is the flak for the hate JR should be getting for allowing the team to be broken up.

Nas' guy just throws up his hands as if he couldn't have changed that history.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I posted an article about this a while back.

It is not jaundice. If you have ever seen someone with jaundiced eyes, there is no mistaking it for anything else. It is not subtle, nor is it graded (i.e. the entire eye is yellowed)

In this very documentary it shows footage from the early-to-mid 90's where he has the beginnings of the same discoloration present.

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Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

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I think it can be true that the Bulls were spent AND that they would have won another championship, especially seeing how the 98-99 season played out (shortened schedule, Knicks won the East).

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Why didn't Krause get the Kenny treatment and get promoted when the rebuild failed?

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Krause caused a lot of shit to be thrown at him because of his stupid comments about the players on the team. But you are right that JR was really the villain in what happened. In my opinion, the Bulls could have won at least another championship. The Last Dance series, I think made way too much drama out of Michael's being worn out. They made no attempt to talk about or bring up how rationing some of Michael's minutes could have happened down the road in other seasons.

With a corps of Jordan, Rodman, and Pippin I think that they had a very decent chance with a couple of trades to continue their dynasty and not becoming the Celtics and hold onto their veteran players too long as was mentioned in the show.

There also are a lot of reasons why they broke things up when they did and the guilt for it could be pretty much shared among Reinny, Krause, Jackson, and Jordan. But in my mind, most of the blame goes to JR.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

He tried to do that behind Krause's back, but Phil wouldn't play ball. Phil should be taking a beating for the break up of this team.

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That's also true. Thing is that Reinny should have never allowed all of the political intrigue to take place like he did. I guess that Jackson wanted to the the GM of the Bulls and that meant that Krause had to be either fired or moved into another job. It was nuts that JR allowed Krause to say that Jackson would not be back under any circumstance. All of this shit should not have been handled the way it was and that's all on Reinny I guess playing mind games with them all.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Yeah, sounds like Phil was the beta that "tapped out". 50 game regular season, they all would have rested up..they would have absolutely won a 7th. That Spurs team was weak.

Even if Phil returned, wasn't the team going to be broken up? I thought Reinsdorf gave Phil the option of returning, but without Pippen or Rodman.

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You also don't seem to have paid attention to Reinsdorf's NON-offer.

No owner can guarantee the return of every player. I imagine this Phil and Jordan could have gotten both players to return.

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GO BEARS!!!

Agreed

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It was basically you and Jordan can come back and were getting rid of everyone else except Kukoc.

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I really think it comes down to MJ and Reinsdorf. If those 2 were willing to make it happen they could have got it done. I don't think Phil was going to tell those 2 no at the end of the day if they really wanted to make it happen. And if Jordan wanted the whole crew back, Reinsdorf would have made it happen.

Ultimately I think all the major players in the moment were ready to be done.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Maybe but maybe not. This was kind of like some dominos falling. If Jackson comes back, then Michael returns. But I'd say that Michael would demand that he re-signs only if they pay Pippen and keep Rodman. Its anyone's guess.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Reinsdorf wasn't going to pay Pippen. End of story. End of dynasty. Reinsdorf's story isn't news. It was out there back then. And dismissed for what it was. Garbage.

Another part of this deal is MJ saying last night when he was ready to watch the video of Reinsdorf that he had never had any dialogue with him about how/why this ended. That shows me another reason why it seems MJ was ready in the moment to be done. If he really wanted to sign a new deal and he was not able to do it, then he would have went to Reinsdorf personally. This isn't like a bench player, this is the greatest player ever. He would have had a sit down with the owner to demand this get done.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

They could have paid Jordan, Pippen and the needed parts since they all had "Bird" rights on them. But even last night you heard Reindsorf "clam up" talking about how much it would have cost. He will always be a cheap fuck

Correct. Jordan made his own assumptions and his assumptions were true. The breakup of the team. The Jackson offer was nothing but face saving PR.

If, by "major players" you're including the team owners who, iirc owned far larger percentages than Reinsdorf, I'll agree wholeheartedly. There were lots of articles bubbling up in the last 18 months about the team's profitability and the ballon type payments Michael and Phil were then getting.

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They gave Pippen a max contract that was still tradeable a year later and gave him a golden parachute the last 2 years of his career.

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GO BEARS!!!

Phil had some sweet Jeannie Buss vagina to start getting into.

Dude clearly made the right move.

It was over.

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We Now Know That JOE BIDEN has been COMPROMISED by CHINA! (let that sink in)

Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

At anyone that believes them "crying poor".

I was surprised that they didn't have a conversation.

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GO BEARS!!!