But those were due to investments. They haven't Colonized any country on the African continent. They haven't started wars abroad. Their human rights abuses are troubling but again that is mostly an internal issue.

Bioterrorism is an act of war though. That would up the stakes tremendously.

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The debt forgiveness suggested by many now sounds like it was a far better idea than MANY suggested.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Locking down an infected province completely and then sending people out on planes to infect the world was pretty bad. Is that bio-terrrism?

I don't think so. If they purposely created the virus in a lab and unleashed it unto the rest of the world that would be Bioterrorism. We'd have to prove intent.

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Sons pay for the sins of their fathers. The generation that enabled China has a lot of blood on their hands.

We are not getting into a hot war with China. It's can't be done. I think we could win a soft war against them because eventually the population will rise us. Use Hong Kong and spread the civil disobedience. In the mean time get with our allies and start decoupling now.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

And where did you live and what have you done for "work" traveller?

As Nardi accurately pointed out, you come here to vent your gibberish and add nothing to any non football discussion around here. Next.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Hey World Atlas at what point did you decide to make your proverbial pivot?

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I would gladly tell you RR but I dont trust some of these posters to not try and dox me. Not to mention the looming DiCaro threat.

I fucked up. I was absent-minded about it too, Hong Kong is what really brought things into focus. We spent the last twenty years fighting the wrong enemy.

So what do you propose in this newly actualized fight of yours?

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If you dont want war you blockade them. Starve them out, force them to only trade with India (who hates them), Central Asia (who hates them) and Russia (who is scared shitless of them). It will absolutely work and it will result in minimal bloodshed.

Unless they decide to lash out, which they may do.

Evil like the PRC just cannot be allowed to exercise itself freely. Even if it does burn itself out like the USSR it will do so only after exhausting the lives of millions of innocent people.

All of that sounds good but you might as well forget it. It's either all out war or nothing. Limited engagements and proxy wars are simply feeding tic tacs to whales.

They are a most formidable foe and unless there is all out war then you might as well stop talking. Blockades and sanctions won't work either.

We made our bed once we decided to become economically entangled with them years 20-30 years ago Just another case of their (Chinese Govt) being assholes
but they're our assholes scenario. There is no way for the U.S. to effectively "deal" with the Chinese at this point without going to war. Anything else is simply empty rhetoric.

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You are probably right but I am OK with a blockade. It is the most severe thing we could do short of violence. It could collapse them, they need food imports.

Worked in a modified version with the Soviets.

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

Eventually, sure. Took about forty years and a few proxy wars.

The failure of the USA to do anything from 1945 onwards about the Soviet menace was a colossal mistake that cost millions of lives and set Eastern Europe and Central Asia back a century. It sentenced much of Africa to languish under Marxist ideologies (just in time for colonialism to end!) and still to this day reverberates in places like Cuba and DPRK. We had them in 1946, we had the bomb (they didn't) and we had all our soldiers with our allies just miles away from them. The Wehrmacht was kept somewhat in tact at the behest of Churchill just so they could be the tip of the spear against the Soviets.

Would it have been terrible? Of course. But worse than what followed? I dont think so. But China is a little different, they have many more mouths to feed and rely so much more on exports. Cutting them off from everyone except their land neighbours (who aside from the DPRK all hate them) could collapse the PRC. I think its worth a try.

Nice to have a measured exchange with you Australia

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There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.

The Soviet menace was never much of a "menace" It was nothing more than a propaganda campaign designed to build up our military. Your allusion to Africa is nothing more than an allusion also. Africa removed itself from the shackles of European colonization during the 50's 60's and 70's. None of it had to do with the Soviets. The Soviets weren't colonial powers in Africa.

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There's virtually no way we're entering any combative war with China.

But then it'll turn into a race to control manufacturing and supply chains from other Third World regions.

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ZANU-PF and ZAPU in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, though Mugabe is kind of debatable. He certainly didn't turn down their money.
Congolese Party of Labour in Zaire/DRC
Kerekou government in Benin
Very famously both of the big Portuguese colonies succumbed to Marxist revolutionaries.

Let's just say communism, propped up by the Soviets, did not idly pass Africa by.

Yeah there was some countries that were Marxist but to say that the ideology permeated the Continent is a stretch. Africa was ravaged by Western European Colonialism much more than they were Soviet Marxism. Marxism was more was of passing fad for some of them than anything. But yeah you are correct that some nations fell victim to it. That was mostly due to the vacuum created once Colonialism ended ironically.

Marxism thrives best when there is chaos and in Africa it was no different.

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Well said.

Welcome to the front lines of the culture war.

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Are we going to nuke these fucks yet or what?

China owns Africa. They pretty much bribed all of the poor African nations.

But i ask myself this - when European nations raped and pillaged during colonialism, it was ok. But now if someone else does it its suddenly a bad thing?

Not saying it's a good thing, but it's a double standard. And not a supporter of China. no way.

Just something to think about.

Nope. It was the act of spreading that virus that constitutes terrorism. They knew that the drug was transmitted from human to human BEFORE they sent those millions of people to the countries in the world. That was biological warfare. That was INTENT.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Trump understands that the war on China is going to be an economic war and we are already winning it. I think that the next four years are going to see the best economic growth for the United States ever. The world is pissed at China and they have been proven to be vile monsters and not to be trusted. And if they try to rattle their sabers against Taiwan they will be met with great force. In any war, they will lose. They have no allies. Russia is certainly not going to help them because Russia has gotten infected just like the rest of the world with this virus and Putin is no guy to piss off.

China is being isolated and will have to pretty much apologize to the world.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

They can't lash out. hen you think about it, China is really just a regional military power. They are blocked by Russia and NATO and then they have Japan, South Korea, and the US Pacific fleet on the other side. The US owns the sea and the air and all of the soldiers of the Chinese will basically be starved out because they would be basically land-locked. China has a huge trouble feeding its own people already and if they lock horns with the US, it will be over.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Bullcrap. The Chinese are screwed whatever they do. Our economy doesn't need them and without us trading with them, they are screwed. They also are paper tigers militarily and pose no threat whatsoever to us. And they know it. They know that if they try and strike in a nuclear fashion, their entire population will be killed and ours would not. If they try a standard war, we would obliterate their air forces and navy in less than a week and then basically they would be starved to death. The entire world is against China. They have no allies. They've basically tried to kill a lot of the rest of the world.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Neither was good, but even I have enough good sense to know which team I'm on.

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The Soviet Union, which you assert was singlehandedly responsible for winning the Second World War, and that occupied all of Eastern Europe for 50 year was never a "menace". It's so nice to view history from the convenience of knowing how the Cold War would turn out.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?