i just heard Horace grant on the am 1000 podcast.

Horace should be building a shrine to MJ. If it wasn't for MJ nobody would know who the fuck horace grant was. he'd be some guy who super basketball fans would have known played in the 90s in the NBA.

If he really despises MJ, then give MJ all that money MJ made for you Horace!

But Horace was always a nice guy. I got to give him that. I always felt he really enjoyed his time in the league but that rant by him was too much. Good publicity though. I guess people remember him now who weren't bulls fans.

Well he's generally regarded as a turnstile and Kobe's game is indicative of that. Kobe is a great scorer but he's not the first - plenty of people can put the ball in the bucket, but no one in however many years put up as much as Kobe did. Not the 7 foot Shaq who in his prime could dunk on Godzilla at will, not Hakeem, not Jordan, not LBJ, etc. It's still basketball man - just because you can score doesn't mean putting up 81 is still conceivable. Especially when you're average height for the NBA (6'6 isn't anything special). Why can Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier hound Kobe into 9-31 shooting nights for 37 points while 6-8 Jalen Rose gets 81 dropped on his head? Because he sucks and never tried hard on defense.

My bias here in case it isn't obvious is defense. If you don't try hard on D then I don't give a shit about you. Rose was in that category for me. No value add if you can score 21 in a breeze but your guy hits you up for 25 on 70% shooting.

Not over yet.

Stop that nonsense. 81 all on Jalen? We say that because Jalen is on ESPN. Lazy narrative. Nobody remembers the other players on the 27-55 Toronto Raptors. Watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9NILK4OXpo

P.S. Kobe put up 45 against Battier that same year and Battier fouled out

Kobe put up 50 against Iguodala shooting 66% a few weeks prior to his 81 performance.

Are you digging into 2006 regular season box scores? That's genuinely awesome.

Look, we started this discussion about Jones vs Rose and I told y'all that Jones was the more complete players. Regular and advanced stats show that.
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No question Jones is the better player and the better building block, to me.

I'm actually going to be more charitable than others about rose here. When he was Indiana he was an x factor. He had a skill set no one else on that team had. Because the team filled with veteran players who mostly played defense Rose's considerable deficiencies were covered up. Put Jones on that team over Rose and they beat the bulls in 98

The video is telling. Lazy people use the lazy narrative of Kobe's 81 game when talking about Jalen's defense.

Jalen had a good reputation on defense as a Pacer. He held his own. He was capable.

Michael really wasn't funny. All of his cuts and comebacks had no real humor attached to them. I'm surprised someone with a quick wit didn't slice and dice him because that was an obvious weak spot.

I assume Juanita wanted no part of this thing. 10 episodes covering MJ entire career and we saw her maybe one time, at the retirement. You wouldn't even know he was married if the kids didn't mention it. The marriage was a Nike creation from the beginning and she already got her money. She has always been surprisingly quiet when you compare her to all the Housewives and Cavallaris out there.

She may have not wanted any part of it.

But supposedly that was one of Jordans deal breakers. He did not want family to have a role in this.

The older kids were in it.

Very little tho. I think it was Mac and Parkins read a deal at some point saying Jordan told the director he did not want family to be a story line.

I heard that too.

Are you digging into 2006 regular season box scores? That's genuinely awesome.

Look, we started this discussion about Jones vs Rose and I told y'all that Jones was the more complete players. Regular and advanced stats show that.
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https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... r__players

No question Jones is the better player and the better building block, to me.

I'm actually going to be more charitable than others about rose here. When he was Indiana he was an x factor. He had a skill set no one else on that team had. Because the team filled with veteran players who mostly played defense Rose's considerable deficiencies were covered up. Put Jones on that team over Rose and they beat the bulls in 98

Yeah .. He also played like 40 minutes a game in Indiana.

Ron Harper played like 18 minutes a game and averaged 1\3 of what Rose put up. Awful comp by TP and Nas.

Harper in his prime was a better player than Rose. Harper played excellent defense while Rose was a soft player.

I considered Harper, pre knee injury, to be on an arc to be one of the very best players in the league. I don't think people understand that ACL was a death sentence to a career back then.

I considered Harper, pre knee injury, to be on an arc to be one of the very best players in the league. I don't think people understand that ACL was a death sentence to a career back then.

Yeah wouldn’t want Juanita to be weighing in on the womanizing