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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 2:42 pm 
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Hicks' performance had noticeably declined prior to his injury last year. He was still good, just not great.


I didn't see that either.. I'm not worried about Hicks or Mack, Trevathon will miss 5 or 6 games, we need a competent backup.

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Hicks' performance had noticeably declined prior to his injury last year. He was still good, just not great.


Completely agree.

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Hicks and Leno both looked like they were out of shape last year after signing contract extensions. One of the interesting things to watch this year will be if the line improves because Foles is able to make the correct line calls. Watching Mitch approach the line and stare blankly at the D for several seconds and being forced to make a line call after the D shifted was one of the more frustrating things to watch over the past few years, as the Packers player said, "make Mitch play QB". That said, Leno looked terrible last year, looked a step slow, could not react to outside speed or inside counter moves.


Foles could make the line better because he can read a defense better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but couldn't you have said the same thing about Chase? The reality is that the offensive line wasn't good in 2018 either. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's athleticism made it look competent as well as the unfamiliarity of Nagy's play calling. Just look what happened in that Giants game with Chase.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
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Nas is absolutely correct. Its never really been "good", in 2018 you could stretch and say it was above-average before Long got hurt but even then. The only guy (aside from Long) who would really start anywhere is Whitehair. The tackles have always been bad and everything so encouraging about Daniels' rookie year seemed to fall apart in 2019.

On one hand its inexcusable what has happened to the tackle position. Just complete negligence.

On the other hand I do kind of see how Pace has sort of just said "fuck it" to the OL under the (kinda correct) assumption that you cant be good everywhere. Its just that offensive line is so important, and its really hard to square the fact that four first round picks and a third of the cap has gone towards linebackers while the OL has basically died.


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Pace's approach to the LT position has truly been odd, most GM's see LT as an important skill position meriting a high first round pick, but not Pace. Don't think I've ever heard any of the "Bears Insiders", actually ask him why his views on the position are so different from the rest of the NFL?


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He's been asked. He basically says Leno is their guy, which is obvious bullshit but that's the answer he gives.


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Nas wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
Hicks and Leno both looked like they were out of shape last year after signing contract extensions. One of the interesting things to watch this year will be if the line improves because Foles is able to make the correct line calls. Watching Mitch approach the line and stare blankly at the D for several seconds and being forced to make a line call after the D shifted was one of the more frustrating things to watch over the past few years, as the Packers player said, "make Mitch play QB". That said, Leno looked terrible last year, looked a step slow, could not react to outside speed or inside counter moves.


Foles could make the line better because he can read a defense better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but couldn't you have said the same thing about Chase? The reality is that the offensive line wasn't good in 2018 either. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's athleticism made it look competent as well as the unfamiliarity of Nagy's play calling. Just look what happened in that Giants game with Chase.



Chase is a career backup for a reason, I'd still prefer him over Mitch for 16 games but neither should be starters.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
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He's been asked. He basically says Leno is their guy, which is obvious bullshit but that's the answer he gives.


Were stuck for the year with Leno and Massie..thats on Pace and those bad extensions. Lotta dead weight cut at seasons end.

Leno
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Lotta cap room next year ..just hope Pace aint making the decisions.

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
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Nas wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Hicks' performance had noticeably declined prior to his injury last year. He was still good, just not great.


Completely agree.


He had a knee injury going into the season

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Nas wrote:
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Hicks and Leno both looked like they were out of shape last year after signing contract extensions. One of the interesting things to watch this year will be if the line improves because Foles is able to make the correct line calls. Watching Mitch approach the line and stare blankly at the D for several seconds and being forced to make a line call after the D shifted was one of the more frustrating things to watch over the past few years, as the Packers player said, "make Mitch play QB". That said, Leno looked terrible last year, looked a step slow, could not react to outside speed or inside counter moves.


Foles could make the line better because he can read a defense better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but couldn't you have said the same thing about Chase? The reality is that the offensive line wasn't good in 2018 either. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's athleticism made it look competent as well as the unfamiliarity of Nagy's play calling. Just look what happened in that Giants game with Chase.


Foles is much better than Daniels and is probably better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky legs make plays. Once again, they should have spent some money to shitcan their offensive tackles and maybe drafted a guard with one of the 2nd round picks. This just doesn't make sense. Has any reporter actually questioned Pace on why they are ignorant about the importance of an offensive line?

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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
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When Massie went out the replaced him with a journeyman and got the same if not better production. Leno's play last year was below replacement level, really just need competent play there to improve the offense. Have heard many times from "Bears experts", that Nagy's offense doesn't need a great LT because the ball is out so quickly. Leno gets beat consistently with outside speed and with Mitch's propensity to leak laterally from the pocket rather than step up, you get the offensive performances you got last year. Nagy was just too stupid/stubborn to put Mitch under center and run play action and bootlegs to get him on the move where he seems more comfortable.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 10:07 am 
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When Massie went out the replaced him with a journeyman and got the same if not better production. Leno's play last year was below replacement level, really just need competent play there to improve the offense. Have heard many times from "Bears experts", that Nagy's offense doesn't need a great LT because the ball is out so quickly. Leno gets beat consistently with outside speed and with Mitch's propensity to leak laterally from the pocket rather than step up, you get the offensive performances you got last year. Nagy was just too stupid/stubborn to put Mitch under center and run play action and bootlegs to get him on the move where he seems more comfortable.

Leno was arguably the worst starting player in the NFL last year. Massie is actually one of the few guys who is also in that discussion.

Also the Nagy offense needs to be abandoned. Been two years now of same plays every week. If he wants to try for a third year we all know what the results will be. I am fairly certain this is the last ride of Pace and Nagy, so whatever this is all moot. Even under a competent system they are too untalented to win more than five or so games.

The good news is the next guy will have Roquan Smith, Whitehair, Jackson, Fuller, Miller...there are good players on this team. The turnaround shouldn't take too long, certainly not as long as it took to recover from Emery.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 10:10 am 
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Tall Midget wrote:
Hicks' performance had noticeably declined prior to his injury last year. He was still good, just not great.


I didn't see that either.. I'm not worried about Hicks or Mack, Trevathon will miss 5 or 6 games, we need a competent backup.


I really admire Hicks with the way he came back and tried to play at the end of the season. I doubt that many other players would have done that but rather would have just sat it out.

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He doesnt even need to learn it. The guy is ready to roll.


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
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Nothing new, but at least he said it. Pretty much sums up our situation right now:

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... ck-mahomes


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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
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Nothing new, but at least he said it. Pretty much sums up our situation right now:

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... ck-mahomes


Here's the problem, though:

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"I won't sit here and be shocked if the Bears ended up 10-6 ... because I think if they play the game the right way and get better at playing more physical on offense, run the football a little bit. They were one of the worst running teams in football last year, their running scheme stinks to go along with it.


How are they going to get better at "playing more physical on offense" given the state of their offensive line? Do we have any offensive linemen who can physically overwhelm their opponents on a somewhat consistent basis? It doesn't look like it to me.

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Tall Midget wrote:
PortageP_Chi wrote:
Nothing new, but at least he said it. Pretty much sums up our situation right now:

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... ck-mahomes


Here's the problem, though:

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"I won't sit here and be shocked if the Bears ended up 10-6 ... because I think if they play the game the right way and get better at playing more physical on offense, run the football a little bit. They were one of the worst running teams in football last year, their running scheme stinks to go along with it.


How are they going to get better at "playing more physical on offense" given the state of their offensive line? Do we have any offensive linemen who can physically overwhelm their opponents on a somewhat consistent basis? It doesn't look like it to me.



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 Post subject: Re: 2020 Offseason Moves
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We should find out early if the problem was Mitch not being able to read the D which caused him to check out of called run plays or not give the ball to the back on RPO plays where the run option was the correct read. That said, the line wasn't getting any movement on the D line last year. If Daniels ads the needed size/strength to hold up as an NFL C it will solve two interior positions, have to hope think that whoever plays the Y TE spot will be a huge upgrade over last year which should help them run the ball. If the run game looks like last year it will reveal that the problem is Nagy's system, highly doubt this group survives another bottom five finish offensively.


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Cap-wise, the Packers are stuck with #12. This is a pipe dream.

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Bears should strategically want Rogers to stay and let that organization tear itself apart from within. Winter isn't here for them but you can see it coming

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Every Bear fan in the country would gladly take on that " problem" a top 5 QB that has 2 or 3 years left in the tank and with a 1st rounder learning under him to take that job.

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Is he still a top 5 quarterback? I saw a guy last year who was a shell of himself. Clinging to an interception record that hurts his team. He was bailed out by a great season by Aaron Jones. Based on last year he's the 2nd best player on offense.

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Every Bear fan in the country would gladly take on that " problem" a top 5 QB that has 2 or 3 years left in the tank and with a 1st rounder learning under him to take that job.


You doing it in the abstract or the specific, because that situation is going to be (already is) volatile?

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I absolutely think he's top 5..probably top 3. You can slip any RB in that backfield and he'll produce. Rogers is great at changing plays at the line.


I think the rookie QB will only light a fire under ass. Volatile? Maybe.. But you'll see A.R. playing better with Love at his heels.

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I absolutely think he's top 5..probably top 3. You can slip any RB in that backfield and he'll produce. Rogers is great at changing plays at the line.


I think the rookie QB will only light a fire under ass. Volatile? Maybe.. But you'll see A.R. playing better with Love at his heels.


Rodgers was top 3 a few years ago.... now top 5 is being gracious.


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Top 3, top 5 or top ten even if I do not want him he is the best acquisition the Bears could make to stop the Packers beating us. :lol:

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