If you ever discovered who the actual U.S "mastermind" of the Cold War happened to be you would be mad as hell.

A General from Germany?

Nope.

Now I know you are 100% full of shit

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The point that the USSR was a menace to world peace is substantiated by the fact they (literally with tanks) rolled over the efforts of people in Czechoslovakia and Hungary to achieve self-determination.

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None of it has anything to do with the United States.
They were concerned about maintaining control of Eastern Europe. That was their primary focus. U.S. Had nothing to do with going to war with the U.S.
If I provided all of countries whose efforts at "self determination" were thwarted by the U S. during this period it would make your head spin. If you think that the U S. were acting as liberators during the period of the Cold War then you are just as clueless as Chas and WFR happen to be.

Table the Ollie North War Stories garbage for now.

The Soviets were never going to attack the U S. Unless they were attacked first. Nothing you state has refuted this assertion.

And the USA was never going to attack the Soviets first either. The nuclear weapons were just part of the broader theory of deterrent force.

That doesn't mean the Soviets didn't menace countries all over the world.

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Ok so you agree with me that they weren't "much of a menace for the United States"

Prague is not in Eastern Europe. Not even close. Classic dumb American who doesn't know basic geography.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Most Americans don't really distinguish between Central, Eastern, and Southern Europe. If it's Slavic or the Soviets messed with it, it's Eastern.

Most Americans don't really distinguish between Central, Eastern, and Southern Europe. If it's Slavic or the Soviets messed with it, it's Eastern.

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well the threat of the world plunging into a USSR dominated communist bloc was certainly a threat to the United States.

I mean look, you clearly dont have really any idea what you're talking about. You dont know where Prague is on a map, you are doing this strange act where you refuse to say who the culprit for the Cold War is despite teasing it...you're just grasping around..

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I'm not stupid enough to believe one individual person caused the Cold War.

I'm not stupid enough to believe one individual person caused the Cold War.

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I think that he suggested mastermind, not who caused it.

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Yep. All they want to do is have me throw a name out so that they can immediately disagree with it.

Chas stated that it was a "German general". And he fashions himself as a historian. Fucking joke.

The guy who speaks with such authority on this issue doesn't know basic European geography. I guess that explains this lashing out.

Nobody "masterminded" the Cold War. There were competing interests on all sides of the conflict, different factions that exerted influence in different ways. Even random acts of chance played into how it all shook out, what if Patton's jeep never crashes? What if MacArthur gets his way in Korea? What if Churchill doesn't lose to Clement Attlee?

Nobody masterminds history like this. There are no architects for these things. LTG is just speaking in riddles because he's thoroughly out of his depth, trying to score bizarre technicalities on the definition of "menaced" or which countries border the USSR. Its the sign of someone caught in the deep end of the pool.

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Prague is not in Eastern Europe. Not even close. Classic dumb American who doesn't know basic geography.

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Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about. I know that anyway. That's why I'm sitting back laughing at you.

I dont need to suffer this kind of embarrassing autistic babble.

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Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about. I know that anyway. That's why I'm sitting back laughing at you.

You're stuck whenever you have to provide any sort of substance for the bullshit that you spew on here.

There was a "mastermind" behind it. Anyone that really knows anything about the Cold War would know that.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Would you at least pm me who you're talking about? I'd like to know more about this.

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I'm pretty sure he isn't going to say who this mysterious person is because he knows I'm going to laugh at him for it.

Talk about an American-centric narrative. The guy who basically basically pounded the desk the loudest about the true nature of "Uncle Joe" and the USSR. Why is he the "mastermind" but not the Soviets themselves?

It was from Moscow in February 1946 that Kennan sent a cablegram, known as the “Long Telegram,” that enunciated the containment policy. The telegram was widely read in Washington, D.C., and brought Kennan much recognition. Later that year he returned to the United States, and in 1947 he was named director of the State Department’s policy-planning staff.


Kennan’s views on containment were elucidated in a famous and highly influential article, signed “X,” that appeared in Foreign Affairs magazine for July 1947, analyzing in detail the structure and psychology of Soviet diplomacy. In the article Kennan, who drew heavily from his Long Telegram, questioned the wisdom of the United States’ attempts to conciliate and appease the Soviet Union. He suggested that the Russians, while still fundamentally opposed to coexistence with the West and bent on worldwide extension of the Soviet system, were acutely sensitive to the logic of military force and would temporize or retreat in the face of skillful and determined Western opposition to their expansion. Kennan then advocated U.S. counterpressure wherever the Soviets threatened to expand and predicted that such counterpressure would lead either to Soviet willingness to cooperate with the United States or perhaps eventually to an internal collapse of the Soviet government. This view subsequently became the core of U.S. policy toward the Soviet Union.

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Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about. I know that anyway. That's why I'm sitting back laughing at you.

You're stuck whenever you have to provide any sort of substance for the bullshit that you spew on here.

There was a "mastermind" behind it. Anyone that really knows anything about the Cold War would know that.