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Not going to say you are incorrect that he played a part but look up Gehlen and what his org did to fuck up US/West policy. I mean you have a Nazi running your spy org,what good can come of that?

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The guy who speaks with such authority on this issue doesn't know basic European geography. I guess that explains this lashing out.

Nobody "masterminded" the Cold War. There were competing interests on all sides of the conflict, different factions that exerted influence in different ways. Even random acts of chance played into how it all shook out, what if Patton's jeep never crashes? What if MacArthur gets his way in Korea? What if Churchill doesn't lose to Clement Attlee?

Nobody masterminds history like this. There are no architects for these things. LTG is just speaking in riddles because he's thoroughly out of his depth, trying to score bizarre technicalities on the definition of "menaced" or which countries border the USSR. Its the sign of someone caught in the deep end of the pool.


Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about. I know that anyway. That's why I'm sitting back laughing at you.

You're stuck whenever you have to provide any sort of substance for the bullshit that you spew on here.

There was a "mastermind" behind it. Anyone that really knows anything about the Cold War would know that.


Aren't you supposed to be working right now? I mean it is during school hours and you are supposedly a CPS employee?


I am but thanks for asking. Your concern for the children of Chicago is quite touching and will be duly noted. Just be sure to maintain your distance if you know what I mean. Don't want your presence to trigger any bells and alarms.

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Not going to say you are incorrect that he played a part but look up Gehlen and what his org did to fuck up US/West policy. I mean you have a Nazi running your spy org,what good can come of that?


You just said it was a Nazi General. Just stop as you don't what the hell you are talking about.

The Cold War started after WWII. How in the hell would a Nazi Spy or General be instrumental in that?

You don't even know who this guy is yet you just know that it wasn't him.

He basically wrote the Containment policy that we used to conduct the Cold War.
If you know anything about Containment then you'd know what I am talking about.

It's always some kooky ass conspiracy bullshit that is behind everything with you.

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The guy who speaks with such authority on this issue doesn't know basic European geography. I guess that explains this lashing out.

Nobody "masterminded" the Cold War. There were competing interests on all sides of the conflict, different factions that exerted influence in different ways. Even random acts of chance played into how it all shook out, what if Patton's jeep never crashes? What if MacArthur gets his way in Korea? What if Churchill doesn't lose to Clement Attlee?

Nobody masterminds history like this. There are no architects for these things. LTG is just speaking in riddles because he's thoroughly out of his depth, trying to score bizarre technicalities on the definition of "menaced" or which countries border the USSR. Its the sign of someone caught in the deep end of the pool.


Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about. I know that anyway. That's why I'm sitting back laughing at you.

You're stuck whenever you have to provide any sort of substance for the bullshit that you spew on here.

There was a "mastermind" behind it. Anyone that really knows anything about the Cold War would know that.

Would you at least pm me who you're talking about? I'd like to know more about this.


I was just about to right before I read this. Here is your guy. Our policy throughout the Cold War (Containment) was based on many of his theories. He was an American diplomat who'd been stationed in Moscow since the 1920's. He is the actual "mastermind" behind the containment policy that was implemented in order to fight the Cold War.

George Kennan was his name.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-F-Kennan

Thanks mate. I'll read up on this guy over the weekend.

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I dont know, this pretty meh.

Kennan is taught alongside Samuel Huntington in any 200 level IR course when they're going over the hyper realist dogma that follows the autopsy for the two world wars. Great power politics, ruthlessly self interested parties. I think there's a ton of merit to, but mastermind of the Cold War?

Nah, that's a bit too far. The USA was certain to eventually confront the truths of the USSR with or without George Kennan. I usually dont like that thought-process, the fatalist determinism where people and individuals dont matter, but if you're going to tell me that there would be no Cold War without George Kennan you've taken things to a bit of an extreme.

I already know what follows with be a lengthy debate on the definition of the term "mastermind", and I'm just no interested in that. I guess its an interesting name, I was worried you were going to say Hitler. Still, its wrong. But I guess its wrong for the right reasons.


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Antarctica wrote:
I dont know, this pretty meh.

Kennan is taught alongside Samuel Huntington in any 200 level IR course when they're going over the hyper realist dogma that follows the autopsy for the two world wars. Great power politics, ruthlessly self interested parties. I think there's a ton of merit to, but mastermind of the Cold War?

Nah, that's a bit too far. The USA was certain to eventually confront the truths of the USSR with or without George Kennan. I usually dont like that thought-process, the fatalist determinism where people and individuals dont matter, but if you're going to tell me that there would be no Cold War without George Kennan you've taken things to a bit of an extreme.

I already know what follows with be a lengthy debate on the definition of the term "mastermind", and I'm just no interested in that. I guess its an interesting name, I was worried you were going to say Hitler. Still, its wrong. But I guess its wrong for the right reasons.


From woefully ignorant to foremost expert in a matter of seconds. :lol: :lol:

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How do you mastermind a 50 year period of history? He might have helped to design early American strategy, but this was a complex half century conflict. Was Hitler the "mastermind" of World War 2?

This is a childish premise, using imprecise and immature language. Mastermind sounds like a term used on an animation series. I'm sure it will be refuted with a dictionary definition of mastermind now.

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long time guy wrote:
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I dont know, this pretty meh.

Kennan is taught alongside Samuel Huntington in any 200 level IR course when they're going over the hyper realist dogma that follows the autopsy for the two world wars. Great power politics, ruthlessly self interested parties. I think there's a ton of merit to, but mastermind of the Cold War?

Nah, that's a bit too far. The USA was certain to eventually confront the truths of the USSR with or without George Kennan. I usually dont like that thought-process, the fatalist determinism where people and individuals dont matter, but if you're going to tell me that there would be no Cold War without George Kennan you've taken things to a bit of an extreme.

I already know what follows with be a lengthy debate on the definition of the term "mastermind", and I'm just no interested in that. I guess its an interesting name, I was worried you were going to say Hitler. Still, its wrong. But I guess its wrong for the right reasons.


From woefully ignorant to foremost expert in a matter of seconds. :lol: :lol:


it's never good to underestimate people here. We have a lot of different kinds of intelligence wrapped in non traditional posting styles

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long time guy wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
I dont know, this pretty meh.

Kennan is taught alongside Samuel Huntington in any 200 level IR course when they're going over the hyper realist dogma that follows the autopsy for the two world wars. Great power politics, ruthlessly self interested parties. I think there's a ton of merit to, but mastermind of the Cold War?

Nah, that's a bit too far. The USA was certain to eventually confront the truths of the USSR with or without George Kennan. I usually dont like that thought-process, the fatalist determinism where people and individuals dont matter, but if you're going to tell me that there would be no Cold War without George Kennan you've taken things to a bit of an extreme.

I already know what follows with be a lengthy debate on the definition of the term "mastermind", and I'm just no interested in that. I guess its an interesting name, I was worried you were going to say Hitler. Still, its wrong. But I guess its wrong for the right reasons.


From woefully ignorant to foremost expert in a matter of seconds. :lol: :lol:


it's never good to underestimate people here. We have a lot of different kinds of intelligence wrapped in non traditional posting styles


It's not about that. We all are ignorant of any number of things. No shame in that. This isn't that however.

All they do is spout right wing propaganda all day long and formulate dissenting opinions regarding anyone on the "left". When they actually have to substantiate any of their B S. claims (as was asked of them here)then they're stuck.

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How do you mastermind a 50 year period of history? He might have helped to design early American strategy, but this was a complex half century conflict. Was Hitler the "mastermind" of World War 2?

This is a childish premise, using imprecise and immature language. Mastermind sounds like a term used on an animation series. I'm sure it will be refuted with a dictionary definition of mastermind now.


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Talk about an American-centric narrative. The guy who basically basically pounded the desk the loudest about the true nature of "Uncle Joe" and the USSR. Why is he the "mastermind" but not the Soviets themselves?

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If you ever discovered who the actual U.S "mastermind" of the Cold War happened to be you would be mad as hell.

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A General from Germany?

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Nope.

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Now I know you are 100% full of shit

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The guy who speaks with such authority on this issue doesn't know basic European geography. I guess that explains this lashing out.

Nobody "masterminded" the Cold War. There were competing interests on all sides of the conflict, different factions that exerted influence in different ways. Even random acts of chance played into how it all shook out, what if Patton's jeep never crashes? What if MacArthur gets his way in Korea? What if Churchill doesn't lose to Clement Attlee?

Nobody masterminds history like this. There are no architects for these things. LTG is just speaking in riddles because he's thoroughly out of his depth, trying to score bizarre technicalities on the definition of "menaced" or which countries border the USSR. Its the sign of someone caught in the deep end of the pool.


Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. You don't have a clue as to what the hell you are talking about. I know that anyway. That's why I'm sitting back laughing at you.

You're stuck whenever you have to provide any sort of substance for the bullshit that you spew on here.

There was a "mastermind" behind it. Anyone that really knows anything about the Cold War would know that.

Would you at least pm me who you're talking about? I'd like to know more about this.


I was just about to right before I read this. Here is your guy. Our policy throughout the Cold War (Containment) was based on many of his theories. He was an American diplomat who'd been stationed in Moscow since the 1920's. He is the actual "mastermind" behind the containment policy that was implemented in order to fight the Cold War.

George Kennan was his name.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-F-Kennan

Thanks mate. I'll read up on this guy over the weekend.


His fingerprints are all over our policies and actions during that particular period.

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Look if we're gonna operate with a degree of expertise and nuance that has us talking about George Kennan then you should just admit you fucked up when you lumped Hungary and the Czech Republic in with Belarus and Ukraine.


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One guy simply parroting the thoughts of another one as always. What jokes. And both revealing themselves to be utterly clueless as always.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/kennan
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I dont know, this pretty meh.

Kennan is taught alongside Samuel Huntington in any 200 level IR course when they're going over the hyper realist dogma that follows the autopsy for the two world wars. Great power politics, ruthlessly self interested parties. I think there's a ton of merit to, but mastermind of the Cold War?

Nah, that's a bit too far. The USA was certain to eventually confront the truths of the USSR with or without George Kennan. I usually dont like that thought-process, the fatalist determinism where people and individuals dont matter, but if you're going to tell me that there would be no Cold War without George Kennan you've taken things to a bit of an extreme.

I already know what follows with be a lengthy debate on the definition of the term "mastermind", and I'm just no interested in that. I guess its an interesting name, I was worried you were going to say Hitler. Still, its wrong. But I guess its wrong for the right reasons.

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George F. Kennan, a career Foreign Service Officer, formulated the policy of “containment,” the basic United States strategy for fighting the cold war (1947–1989) with the Soviet Union.

Kennan’s ideas, which became the basis of the Truman administration’s foreign policy, first came to public attention in 1947 in the form of an anonymous contribution to the journal Foreign Affairs, the so-called “X-Article.



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How do you mastermind a 50 year period of history? He might have helped to design early American strategy, but this was a complex half century conflict. Was Hitler the "mastermind" of World War 2?

This is a childish premise, using imprecise and immature language. Mastermind sounds like a term used on an animation series. I'm sure it will be refuted with a dictionary definition of mastermind now.


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Despite all the criticisms and the various policy defeats that Kennan suffered in the early 1950’s, containment in the more general sense of blocking the expansion of Soviet influence remained the basic strategy of the United States throughout the cold war. On the one hand, the United States did not withdraw into isolationism; on the other, it did not move to “roll back” Soviet power, as John Foster Dulles briefly advocated. It is possible to say that each succeeding administration after Truman’s, until the collapse of communism in 1989, adopted a variation of Kennan’s containment policy and made it their own.

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The Cold War went on for another 40 years after the Truman administration. This is conspiracy theory ignorance.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
The Cold War went on for another 40 years after the Truman administration. This is conspiracy theory ignorance.


I agree it is :lol: :lol:

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How do you mastermind a 50 year period of history? He might have helped to design early American strategy, but this was a complex half century conflict. Was Hitler the "mastermind" of World War 2?

This is a childish premise, using imprecise and immature language. Mastermind sounds like a term used on an animation series. I'm sure it will be refuted with a dictionary definition of mastermind now.

So is this
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The guy who speaks with such authority on this issue doesn't know basic European geography. I guess that explains this lashing out.

Nobody "masterminded" the Cold War. There were competing interests on all sides of the conflict, different factions that exerted influence in different ways. Even random acts of chance played into how it all shook out, what if Patton's jeep never crashes? What if MacArthur gets his way in Korea? What if Churchill doesn't lose to Clement Attlee?

Nobody masterminds history like this. There are no architects for these things. LTG is just speaking in riddles because he's thoroughly out of his depth, trying to score bizarre technicalities on the definition of "menaced" or which countries border the USSR. Its the sign of someone caught in the deep end of the pool.

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Not going to say you are incorrect that he played a part but look up Gehlen and what his org did to fuck up US/West policy. I mean you have a Nazi running your spy org,what good can come of that?

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It's enjoyable to watch an idiot quote things so clearly better written and reasoned. So blissfully stupid.

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It's enjoyable to watch an idiot quote things so clearly better written and reasoned. So blissfully stupid.


Watching an utter buffoon constantly engage in verbal gymnastics "childish premise" :lol: :lol: in an effort to appear intelligent is even more enjoyable.

There really is no amount of embarrassment that is too great for your dumbass. You are the proverbial gift that keeps on giving.

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How do you mastermind a 50 year period of history? He might have helped to design early American strategy, but this was a complex half century conflict. Was Hitler the "mastermind" of World War 2? .


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George F. Kennan, a career Foreign Service Officer, formulated the policy of “containment,” the basic United States strategy for fighting the cold war (1947–1989) with the Soviet Union.


https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/kennan

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It's enjoyable to watch an idiot quote things so clearly better written and reasoned. So blissfully stupid.


Personally, these postings are the mark of a pretty dim witted person who is trying to make some point but is so mentally confused that it makes no sense to a rational person. :? :? :?

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I dont know, this pretty meh.

Kennan is taught alongside Samuel Huntington in any 200 level IR course when they're going over the hyper realist dogma that follows the autopsy for the two world wars. Great power politics, ruthlessly self interested parties. I think there's a ton of merit to, but mastermind of the Cold War?

Nah, that's a bit too far. The USA was certain to eventually confront the truths of the USSR with or without George Kennan. I usually dont like that thought-process, the fatalist determinism where people and individuals dont matter, but if you're going to tell me that there would be no Cold War without George Kennan you've taken things to a bit of an extreme.

I already know what follows with be a lengthy debate on the definition of the term "mastermind", and I'm just no interested in that. I guess its an interesting name, I was worried you were going to say Hitler. Still, its wrong. But I guess its wrong for the right reasons.


From woefully ignorant to foremost expert in a matter of seconds. :lol: :lol:


it's never good to underestimate people here. We have a lot of different kinds of intelligence wrapped in non traditional posting styles


It's not about that. We all are ignorant of any number of things. No shame in that. This isn't that however.

All they do is spout right wing propaganda all day long and formulate dissenting opinions regarding anyone on the "left". When they actually have to substantiate any of their B S. claims (as was asked of them here)then they're stuck.


Funny stuff once again by LTG. Talk about a guy who has to really be an arrogant pompous teacher. We've all know some teachers like this guy. The ones whose own point of view dictates how he wants his class to think also and will punish those who question his views or takes on things. Unfortunately these kinds of loser teachers are too many on high school and college campuses as well as the liberal administrations that hire them. LTG is like a LP record stuck on repeating the same thing all of the time.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/bill-th ... speed.html

Weak as fuck.


What is? Please explain.

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Bill to delist Chinese stocks moving at ‘warp speed’ as a crackdown gains bipartisan support


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/21/bill-th ... speed.html

Weak as fuck.


What is? Please explain.

Isn't it obvious? Did the doctors put a band-aid on JFK's head wound and call it a day?


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Not going to say you are incorrect that he played a part but look up Gehlen and what his org did to fuck up US/West policy. I mean you have a Nazi running your spy org,what good can come of that?


If he is on your side it'd be fine. If he is on his own side or someone else's that'd be the problem. Take a look at Barry O's appointment of John Brennan as an example.

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The Chinese dont care about money that much. The only use they really have for money is when they can use it to buy westerners into being traitors. Traitors like our current president: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... rus-188736

Anything short of blockading China is a half measure at best.


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Not going to say you are incorrect that he played a part but look up Gehlen and what his org did to fuck up US/West policy. I mean you have a Nazi running your spy org,what good can come of that?


If he is on your side it'd be fine. If he is on his own side or someone else's that'd be the problem. Take a look at Barry O's appointment of John Brennan as an example.


He doesn't even know what it is he is supposed to be responding to. :lol: :lol:

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It's enjoyable to watch an idiot quote things so clearly better written and reasoned. So blissfully stupid.


Personally, these postings are the mark of a pretty dim witted person who is trying to make some point but is so mentally confused that it makes no sense to a rational person. :? :? :?

Every post you make makes reference to somebody’s mental condition. Is that just projection of your PTSD or are you just a hypocritical piece of shit?

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 2:08 pm 
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The Chinese dont care about money that much. The only use they really have for money is when they can use it to buy westerners into being traitors. Traitors like our current president: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... rus-188736

Anything short of blockading China is a half measure at best.


There is not going to be a naval blockade anytime soon. Need to isolate them economically and see how they react.

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