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The onlookers are extremely calm and asking very simple questions.
:lol: Ok, so you're not even going to attempt to be objective or truthful about any of this.


He's just doing it to be a troll, call people stupid, and to wish them an early death if he's really angry.


Little Napoleon is always projecting and claiming to be a victim. . He's so cute when he's sober.


First of all you are misusing the reference. If you want to say someone has a Napoleon complex then you don't have to add the word little. It's implied. If you care to have a discussion we can.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Nas wrote:
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The onlookers are extremely calm and asking very simple questions.
:lol: Ok, so you're not even going to attempt to be objective or truthful about any of this.


He's just doing it to be a troll, call people stupid, and to wish them an early death if he's really angry.


Little Napoleon is always projecting and claiming to be a victim. . He's so cute when he's sober.


First of all you are misusing the reference. If you want to say someone has a Napoleon complex then you don't have to add the word little. It's implied. If you care to have a discussion we can.


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I don’t care if that guy just murdered fifty people (of course he was accused of a minor crime in this case), the cops don’t have the right to kill a man restrained on the ground. We have courts. We have due process. Any decent human would watch that video and understand it’s wrong.

Does a guy that resists arrest deserve some harsh tactics. Probably. But in that video he is now restrained, and there should never be a knee on the neck technique. And what these cops don’t even consider is the impact of these actions with the trust of the community that they are charged to protect.


It's certainly true that these videos damage trust in police. We also don't know what happened prior to or after. It's an ugly snapshot that will be used to send the message that police are murdering people due to their race. Statistics aren't as persuasive as dramatic videos and slogans it seems.

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Any decent human would watch that video and understand it’s wrong.

Of course.

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I don’t care if that guy just murdered fifty people (of course he was accused of a minor crime in this case), the cops don’t have the right to kill a man restrained on the ground. We have courts. We have due process. Any decent human would watch that video and understand it’s wrong.

Does a guy that resists arrest deserve some harsh tactics. Probably. But in that video he is now restrained, and there should never be a knee on the neck technique. And what these cops don’t even consider is the impact of these actions with the trust of the community that they are charged to protect.


It's certainly true that these videos damage trust in police. We also don't know what happened prior to or after. It's an ugly snapshot that will be used to send the message that police are murdering people due to their race. Statistics aren't as persuasive as dramatic videos and slogans it seems.


Remove race from the discussion if it makes you uncomfortable. The stats would absolutely show that ALL poor communities are over policed. Prisons aren't populated by a majority of middle and upper class citizens.

There is a chance that excessive force could be used against all of us, but it happens more to lower class citizens because they are over policed. If citizens in any affluent area in the country were treated in a similar way the policies would change overnight.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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I don’t care if that guy just murdered fifty people (of course he was accused of a minor crime in this case), the cops don’t have the right to kill a man restrained on the ground. We have courts. We have due process. Any decent human would watch that video and understand it’s wrong.

Does a guy that resists arrest deserve some harsh tactics. Probably. But in that video he is now restrained, and there should never be a knee on the neck technique. And what these cops don’t even consider is the impact of these actions with the trust of the community that they are charged to protect.


It's certainly true that these videos damage trust in police. We also don't know what happened prior to or after. It's an ugly snapshot that will be used to send the message that police are murdering people due to their race. Statistics aren't as persuasive as dramatic videos and slogans it seems.


If the guy was swinging a bat at police and f bombing them, they still can’t kill him. He is restrained. The courts to determine guilt and punishment.

That’s why I said even if he murdered fifty people, he still does not deserve to die at the hands of the police.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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1. Wasn't the guy previously resisting arrest? Maybe the knee move is an effective way to keep a bigger and stronger human on the ground and under control. Maybe his partner was the third officer that can be seen in the longer cut also trying to hold the guy down. Maybe the officer didn't want to turn his back on the enraged onlookers who multiple times began to approach the officers trying to arrest the guy.

All of this can be true with the knee on the shoulder or on the back slightly below the neck. You can think whatever you want about this video, but a cop killed a dude who was handcuffed and on the ground. That should not be acceptable under any circumstances ever.

Whatever crime the guy was accused of committing does not warrant being smothered to death while lying on the ground, period. The accused is entitled to due process just the same as you and I. Instead we have a white cop playing judge, jury, and executioner- literally- of an unarmed black man in handcuffs.

To feel anything other than sadness at the site of this video makes you something other than human.

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Mayor Pete said it during the debate. The reason there are more police in the area is that there are more violence acts and murders. Then there are laws, which while we might all disagree with many, they are still on the books. And there are pressures to make arrests and have numbers to justify budgets. It's more complicated than police are targeting the poor and minorities.

I don't know what happened prior to the video, what the cause of death is, or why the officer was doing that. It will be investigated, and we will learn more. I don't think this video means being black is a "death sentence" like the mayor is suggesting.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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I don't know what happened prior to the video
None of that matters.

If he committed a capital crime, then the courts get to decide he dies. That didn't happen here.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
denisdman wrote:
I don’t care if that guy just murdered fifty people (of course he was accused of a minor crime in this case), the cops don’t have the right to kill a man restrained on the ground. We have courts. We have due process. Any decent human would watch that video and understand it’s wrong.

Does a guy that resists arrest deserve some harsh tactics. Probably. But in that video he is now restrained, and there should never be a knee on the neck technique. And what these cops don’t even consider is the impact of these actions with the trust of the community that they are charged to protect.


It's certainly true that these videos damage trust in police. We also don't know what happened prior to or after. It's an ugly snapshot that will be used to send the message that police are murdering people due to their race. Statistics aren't as persuasive as dramatic videos and slogans it seems.

Without video this & most of the other cases would have been swept under the rug without any real investigation or consequences.

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Suddenly people care so much about our constitutional rights...funny how that works.


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Suddenly people care so much about our constitutional rights...funny how that works.
People continuing to ignore the over reach of power by public officials. Sad how that works.

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To feel anything other than sadness at the site of this video makes you something other than human.

Who are you talking to with this? Who is this edict for, exactly?

Is this more "if you question whether the cop was enjoying himself you must enjoy that the guy is dead" absurdity?

Just because there's a poster bawling his eyes out doesn't mean there is likewise a contingent that is happy over this man's death.


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Why don't you quote and reply to my entire post, JLN. I singled out not a specific person with the one line you quoted.

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I don't know what happened prior to the video
None of that matters.

If he committed a capital crime, then the courts get to decide he dies. That didn't happen here.


Why did the officer need to restrain him? Was he being a danger to himself or others? Had he broken out of restraints before? What was the cause of death?

You don't know anything of the above. If you think the officer was looking for a black man to kill that day it's an incredible accusation that should be backed up with facts. This looks like an error rather than a conscience decision to kill someone. We'll see what the investigation and the body cams footage reveals.

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Why don't you quote and reply to my entire post, JLN. I singled out not a specific person with the one line you quoted.
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I don't know what happened prior to the video
None of that matters.


I wouldn't say none of it matters, but the issue is how to get the guy into the car. It probably would have been better to taze him if he absolutely would not go in peacefully. Especially if you have weaker officers.

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Suddenly people care so much about our constitutional rights...funny how that works.
People continuing to ignore the over reach of power by public officials. Sad how that works.

Nah just commenting on a dramatic shift in tone by MANY.


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The hand in pocket is also odd...is that a Covid thing?

Also strange is the license plate "POLICE". They don't have plate identification for each vehicle?

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The onlookers are extremely calm and asking very simple questions.
:lol: Ok, so you're not even going to attempt to be objective or truthful about any of this.


I am being objective. I'm sorry you pick and choose when it's safe to attempt to be objective.

They calmly asked the officer to get off of the guy's neck and asked the other officer why he wasn't doing anything to help. None of them touched him, threw anything or even really raised their voices. Concerned non violent citizens watched a man die because of incompetence and a power trip.


There's nothing to add to this killing other than cops are taught to always throw out the line, "stop resisting". Fighting to breathe can be looked at as resistance. I think if I was there, I'd advise the young man with his hand on the taser to think about his future as a police officer and take a good hard look at what his partner is doing.


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I don't know what happened prior to the video
None of that matters.


I wouldn't say none of it matters, but the issue is how to get the guy into the car. It probably would have been better to taze him if he absolutely would not go in peacefully. Especially if you have weaker officers.
Probably better than killing him? Yeah, probably.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Why did the officer need to restrain him?
He was already in cuffs.
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Was he being a danger to himself or others?
At the time the officer was kneeling on his neck? Absolutely not.
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Had he broken out of restraints before?
Do you know anyone that has "broken out" of handcuffs?
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What was the cause of death?
According to the link Nas posted, a blocked airway.
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You don't know anything of the above.
You appear to not know anything about anything, or you're just being willfully ignorant to the fact that a cop killed a guy who was on the ground and handcuffed.
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If you think the officer was looking for a black man to kill that day it's an incredible accusation that should be backed up with facts.
Please quote the post where I accused this officer of "looking for a man" to kill. Black, White, or otherwise.
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This looks like an error rather than a conscience decision to kill someone.
An error in which a presumed innocent man was killed by a cop. As for the italics, see above.
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We'll see what the investigation and the body cams footage reveals.
The body cam will reveal bystanders pleading with the cop not to kill the guy.

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We'll see what the investigation and the body cams footage reveals.
The body cam will reveal bystanders pleading with the cop not to kill the guy.
Do we know for a fact that body cam footage exists? It seems they often "fail" at crucial moments.

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You can't run away or continue to be aggressive if you are in handcuffs? You have a link to the official coroner's report? This is you being aggressively obtuse about something where we only know a portion of the story.

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I don't know what happened prior to the video
None of that matters.


I wouldn't say none of it matters, but the issue is how to get the guy into the car. It probably would have been better to taze him if he absolutely would not go in peacefully. Especially if you have weaker officers.
Probably better than killing him? Yeah, probably.


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Suddenly people care so much about our constitutional rights...funny how that works.
People continuing to ignore the over reach of power by public officials. Sad how that works.

Nah just commenting on a dramatic shift in tone by MANY.

Such as yourself if you would like to provide an example.

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You can't run away or continue to be aggressive if you are in handcuffs? You have a link to the official coroner's report? This is you being aggressively obtuse about something where we only know a portion of the story.

Holy shit. My play on Mr Reason's quote as never been clearer.

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