Ireland was sympathetic to the Nazis as well

Ireland was sympathetic to the Nazis as well

Belfast got bombed pretty good by the Luftwaffe.

I dont think they were necessarily sympathetic to the Nazi's as much as they were not interested in playing nice with Churchill or the British Empire.

Northern Ireland= UK
Ireland= Republic of Ireland

I do agree with your last sentence. It's like me hating camps that help kids with cancer because Bernstein supports them.

There wasn't an "Israel" at the end of WWII. The same animosity that existed in the Middle East would have existed elsewhere. Do you believe that the Germans would have been able to put up much resistance if a Jewish state would have been carved out in Germany? You simply don't know what you are talking about.


Germany was carved into 2 zones with foreign powers essentially controlling each zone. If a sliver of German land was carved out for the purpose of creating a "Jewish state" they wouldn't have had to power to prevent it. It could have been implemented as part of reparations and the Germans would have simply had to get over it shit.

They had more of a moral and ethical high ground to create a Jewish state in Europe than anywhere. Most of the World wide Anti Semitism exists there.


Again Europeans (which with each statement you make further validates what I am saying) would rather have the "Jewish nuisance" exist in the Middle East. That is all it happens to be.


I have several books on this and I will go back and reread them. It has been a few years. Basic facts remain the same However.

Russia had more of a right to Germany than the U.S. did. They were invaded twice by Germany. The U.S. wasn't. They also were the primary reason Germany was defeated.

Ever heard of the phrase "to the victor goes the spoils"?

We defeated Japan and rightfully had a right to occupy it. They were chiefly responsible for the defeat of Germany. They had more of a claim to occupation than we did as a result.


What does any of this have to do with the claims made by Cold Warriors that they were attempting to conquer the world?

Conquering a country that invaded them doesn't imply this necessarily.

Now this.



So, shouldn't the "victors" get to determine what happened with the land now known as Israel?

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Rick never forgets.

Rick never forgets.

I'm proving to JLN that I don't just do it to WFR.

Don't just do what? That thing that you swear you don't do but have twice today tried to preempt? Good job, Rick.

I remember what someone said previously and will reference it in a thread that I feel is relevant. It's not any specific person I'm doing it to.

Though, it was ironic that you brought me into a discussion in a thread I wasn't even reading until I was bored enough to click on it today referencing a previous post I made.

Oh the BRicky thing? I thought it was a clever joke. I'm gonna use that again but try to not be as wrong when I do.

Now this.



So, shouldn't the "victors" get to determine what happened with the land now known as Israel?

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I'm proving to JLN that I don't just do it to WFR.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Now this.



So, shouldn't the "victors" get to determine what happened with the land now known as Israel?

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

No. Germany invaded Russia twice. Germany declared War on Russia after signing a neutrality pact.
Can you provide evidence of the Palestinians invading Israel before there was an Israel?

If not then your argument is rather frivolous.

Ogie would know better than me but I am certain that someone attacked Israel to force them to leave their traditional homeland. Palestine wasn't a formal country so it would be hard for them to invade Israel before it was a country. That's a strange question.

However, you seem to be misunderstanding. The "winners" of WWII decided what was to do be done with Germany. You established that military victories determine who has the right to either rule or turn over the land. Britain controlled the land and decided that Israel should exist there. If Russia had a claim not only to East Germany but also West Germany and all of the Baltic States and a good portion of Europe then it only makes sense that the military victories means the "victors" get to decide what happens.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Before you start going way out in left field on Germany I'm comfortable with the division as it was allocated. Never said that I wasn't but if there were to be any claims made then Russia had much more of a claim to the land than does the U S.
Just like the U.S. had more of a claim to occupying Japan.

As far as Israel goes there isn't much of a comparison. There was no "Israeli state" prior to 1948. The land was over 90% Palestinian prior to the Balfour Declaration. There was no war over the land prior to 1948 either.

If there was to be a State created it should have been for the group that comprised over 90% of the population. Plain and simple and if "Palestinians" didn't exist then it should have been for whatever the group was that happened to reside there.

As far as Israel goes there isn't much of a comparison. There was no "Israeli state" prior to 1948. The land was over 90% Palestinian prior to the Balfour Declaration.

There was no such thing as "Palestinian" identity before the 60s.

There was no such thing as "Palestinian" identity before the 60s.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

That's the pretty funny thing here and it's why I brought this discussion over. ltg was all aboard the Russia train when they were FAR worse to the Baltic States they took over by force than Israel has ever been to the Palestinians and pretty much all of those groups of people had actually been documented countries for hundreds or thousands of years in one way or another. ltg's excuse, I believe, was "security". Well, so extend the same excuse to Israel.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

If there was no Palestine then how do you explain this?
What is the Balfour Declaration?
The Balfour Declaration ("Balfour's promise" in Arabic) was a public pledge by Britain in 1917 declaring its aim to establisha national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine.

That's the pretty funny thing here and it's why I brought this discussion over. ltg was all aboard the Russia train when they were FAR worse to the Baltic States they took over by force than Israel has ever been to the Palestinians and pretty much all of those groups of people had actually been documented countries for hundreds or thousands of years in one way or another. ltg's excuse, I believe, was "security". Well, so extend the same excuse to Israel.

That's the pretty funny thing here and it's why I brought this discussion over. ltg was all aboard the Russia train when they were FAR worse to the Baltic States they took over by force than Israel has ever been to the Palestinians and pretty much all of those groups of people had actually been documented countries for hundreds or thousands of years in one way or another. ltg's excuse, I believe, was "security". Well, so extend the same excuse to Israel.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

They were Arabs however. And since there was no ""Palestine" as you and others keep claiming then the original provision of the Balfour Declaration must have been invalid then shouldn't it?

Either Palestine is a state or it's not.

It's a place that exists. Schaumburg exists but there isn't a Schaumburgian people.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.