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I'm reading that the timeline has the guy giving this woman the "you're not going to like it" line, then immediately pulling something edible out from his pocket and trying to get the dog to come to him.

Is that correct?

Seems to be, and if she had called the cops and said that a person was in the park trying to feed her dog something then this is a complete non-story.
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Unless he's an angry psycho birder trying to feed unleashed dogs treats laced with nails? That's what I would think if someone said that and then their next move was to pull a treat out of their pocket and try and entice my dog to come get it.

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Yeah. Walking away is best. What's crazy now is the notion that it's national news if a woman calls the police if she feels threatened, but the media will tell us we live in a raped culture society and play up stories about violence and rape.
It's national news because she used his race against him.


How was his race used against him? She mentioned it in a description of the person she was arguing with? Should women never call the police on black men?


Seems like you haven't seen the video yet. She tells him before the call that she will "call the cops and tell them I'm being threatened by an African American" or thereabouts. I don't know about you, but when I need to call the police on someone because they're threatening me, I don't take the time before making the call to tell the person that I am going to call the police and tell them an Irish-American with a dash of Greek or Hungarian ethnicity is threatening me. She then makes good on the threat.

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“I’m going to tell them there’s an African-American man threatening my life,” she says to him while dialing, then repeats to the operator, “He’s African-American.”

This is my favorite part of the story. During her crazy rambling she doesn't drop the N-bomb or even say "black guy". She keeps it's PC.

Apparently, the Ramble is a gay cruising spot. What were the dog treats really for?



Come on, Rick. You're a former New Yorker. What really goes down in the Ramble?
I was told not to go to Central Park at night but that mostly was from people who loved the show Law and Order.

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Yeah. Walking away is best. What's crazy now is the notion that it's national news if a woman calls the police if she feels threatened, but the media will tell us we live in a raped culture society and play up stories about violence and rape.
It's national news because she used his race against him.


How was his race used against him? She mentioned it in a description of the person she was arguing with? Should women never call the police on black men?



She made it a point to describe him using his race. It wasn't a manhunt. He was right there. It's not like a description was needed to find him.

And if she were really threatened she wouldn't have been up in his face.


She called him an African American during an argument. If that means it makes her certain racist who deserves to lose her job, be doxxed and made miserable well then I don't think we have a functioning society anymore.


Well, she lied on the call. She obviously didn't feel threatened enough not to stand there choking the shit out of the dog and screaming at the guy like a loon. She knew what she was doing by specifically saying he was an African-American. She was trying to evoke some guy wilding his way through the park rather than describing a man just trying to find a hooded warbler.

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Yeah. Walking away is best. What's crazy now is the notion that it's national news if a woman calls the police if she feels threatened, but the media will tell us we live in a raped culture society and play up stories about violence and rape.
It's national news because she used his race against him.



Sure. She did a really shitty thing. She's the real bad guy here. They're not equal. The guy at worst is a pain in the ass. What she did could have turned out being dangerous.

You get his point though. In a world where a "microaggression" is enough to make people collapse into a puddle, a guy saying, "You won't like what I'm gonna do" might sound like a serious threat.


yep. He's a tool and a douchebag, but she's a complete psyhcopath who abuses dogs and uses racism as a weapon. If they were on the podium I'd give her the Gold and the Silver and him just the Bronze.

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Yeah. Walking away is best. What's crazy now is the notion that it's national news if a woman calls the police if she feels threatened, but the media will tell us we live in a raped culture society and play up stories about violence and rape.
It's national news because she used his race against him.


How was his race used against him? She mentioned it in a description of the person she was arguing with? Should women never call the police on black men?


Seems like you haven't seen the video yet. She tells him before the call that she will "call the cops and tell them I'm being threatened by an African American" or thereabouts. I don't know about you, but when I need to call the police on someone because they're threatening me, I don't take the time before making the call to tell the person that I am going to call the police and tell them an Irish-American with a dash of Greek or Hungarian ethnicity is threatening me. She then makes good on the threat.


You can tell that much about a person's background on sight? Impressive. They got into an argument and she threatened him. If mentioning African American is way too far in this context, and we can just assume her intentions that's a pretty damning set of rules. She got doxxed, fired and death threats over this.

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“I’m going to tell them there’s an African-American man threatening my life,” she says to him while dialing, then repeats to the operator, “He’s African-American.”

This is my favorite part of the story. During her crazy rambling she doesn't drop the N-bomb or even say "black guy". She keeps it's PC.

Apparently, the Ramble is a gay cruising spot. What were the dog treats really for?



Come on, Rick. You're a former New Yorker. What really goes down in the Ramble?
I was told not to go to Central Park at night but that mostly was from people who loved the show Law and Order.

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I could see them both as douchebags but she's the one ultimately weaponizing her race against him.

For the board lawers, does she have a case for wrongful termination or possibly more here (defamation)? Given the wording of the dismissal announcement, they basically implied she's a racist and committed a racist act. This casts aspersions on her character, hurts her earning potential, and obviously places a social stigma on her that's going to take a long time to erase. I don't feel bad for her but does she have a lawsuit on her hands against her former employer?



Juice, you wanna take this one?
:lol: I'd have to take a look at her employment contract, if she has one. If not then I think the only case she has as an at-will employee would be if FTI was stupid and said they fired her as a result of their investigation, which determined that she acted out of racism. If they say there are objective facts that make her a racist, and they fired her because of those facts, that might be something, maybe.

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She got doxxed, fired and death threats over this.



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Yeah. Walking away is best. What's crazy now is the notion that it's national news if a woman calls the police if she feels threatened, but the media will tell us we live in a raped culture society and play up stories about violence and rape.
It's national news because she used his race against him.



Sure. She did a really shitty thing. She's the real bad guy here. They're not equal. The guy at worst is a pain in the ass. What she did could have turned out being dangerous.

You get his point though. In a world where a "microaggression" is enough to make people collapse into a puddle, a guy saying, "You won't like what I'm gonna do" might sound like a serious threat.


yep. He's a tool and a douchebag, but she's a complete psyhcopath who abuses dogs and uses racism as a weapon. If they were on the podium I'd give her the Gold and the Silver and him just the Bronze.


If fine with this. Her call would be more credible if she walked away and called the police immediately after he said "you're not going to like what I'm going to do." But instead she inexplicably got closer to him (to the point where he told her to back off), give him a play by play of the move she was going to make on the phone call (tell them my harasser is black), made the phone call still within earshot of the supposed threat, and never once made a move to, you know, actually protect yourself from the threat by walking away.

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Yeah. Walking away is best. What's crazy now is the notion that it's national news if a woman calls the police if she feels threatened, but the media will tell us we live in a raped culture society and play up stories about violence and rape.
It's national news because she used his race against him.


How was his race used against him? She mentioned it in a description of the person she was arguing with? Should women never call the police on black men?


Seems like you haven't seen the video yet. She tells him before the call that she will "call the cops and tell them I'm being threatened by an African American" or thereabouts. I don't know about you, but when I need to call the police on someone because they're threatening me, I don't take the time before making the call to tell the person that I am going to call the police and tell them an Irish-American with a dash of Greek or Hungarian ethnicity is threatening me. She then makes good on the threat.


You can tell that much about a person's background on sight? Impressive. They got into an argument and she threatened him. If mentioning African American is way too far in this context, and we can just assume her intentions that's a pretty damning set of rules. She got doxxed, fired and death threats over this.


So again you're eliding a lot of context here and just repeating preformed talking points. I've already said repeatedly that the dismissal thing is odd and that she's probably got a wrongful termination suit on her hands and maybe defamation of character. Just unfortunate that you can't be nuanced here and admit the call to 911 was calculated and not honest, but that even so this doesn't mean she should be fired.

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So again you're eliding a lot of context here and just repeating preformed talking points. I've already said repeatedly that the dismissal thing is odd and that she's probably got a wrongful termination suit on her hands and maybe defamation of character. Just unfortunate that you can't be nuanced here and admit the call to 911 was calculated and not honest, but that even so this doesn't mean she should be fired.
It also depends how high up in the organization she was. I think a lot of management types have clauses about creating a public image problem for the company.

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She got doxxed, fired and death threats over this.



It’s just college kids . No real power .

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She got doxxed, fired and death threats over this.

What if Carlton bought her alcohol?

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She got doxxed, fired and death threats over this.



It’s just college kids . No real power .

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You understand this at times it seems.

Truth. Works wonders in resisting arrest cases .

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She got doxxed, fired and death threats over this.

What if Carlton bought her alcohol?

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Is there a longer video? Some of you all are mentioning things that I didn’t see in the 90 second video from TMZ.


I don't think there's a longer video but he made a Facebook post describing what lead up to the point where he began filming.

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So again you're eliding a lot of context here and just repeating preformed talking points. I've already said repeatedly that the dismissal thing is odd and that she's probably got a wrongful termination suit on her hands and maybe defamation of character. Just unfortunate that you can't be nuanced here and admit the call to 911 was calculated and not honest, but that even so this doesn't mean she should be fired.


What are the preformed talking points here? You are assuming quite a bit in this. First of all isn't confronting someone over rules considered a no-no? That's what we are told in other confrontations. Don't interfere. This guy started a confrontation over a dog that wasn't really that close to him.

She felt either threatened or angry, and she acted pretty irrationally. My issue is that how we can say with certainty that she was calculating or what here intensions really were. She seemed to be in a less than ideal state of mind. My problem with the incident is that we take shit like this, and say see how terrible it is to be black in America, like we all haven't had stupid incidents with strangers. It's media clickbait that's used to divide us, and it fires up racial tensions and makes people react irrationally.

The media will have you believe that ever white person is hopelessly biased and looking for a reason to bring out the SWAT team. That doesn't make for a united country.

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So again you're eliding a lot of context here and just repeating preformed talking points. I've already said repeatedly that the dismissal thing is odd and that she's probably got a wrongful termination suit on her hands and maybe defamation of character. Just unfortunate that you can't be nuanced here and admit the call to 911 was calculated and not honest, but that even so this doesn't mean she should be fired.


What are the preformed talking points here? You are assuming quite a bit in this. First of all it's confronting someone over rules considered a no-no? That's what we are told in other confrontations. Don't interfere. This guy started a confrontation over a dog that wasn't really that close to him.

She felt either threatened or angry, and she acted pretty irrationally. My issue is that how we can say with certainty that she was calculating or what here intensions really were. She seemed to be in a less than ideal state of mind. My problem with the incident is that we take shit like this, and say see how terrible it is to be black in America, like we all haven't had stupid incidents with strangers. It's media clickbait that's used to divide us, and it fires up racial tensions and makes people react irrationally.

The media will have you believe that ever white person is hopelessly biased and looking for a reason to bring out the SWAT team. That doesn't make for a united country.

Yes, but people who aren't racist assholes like yourself don't think that "I'm going to call the cops and tell them an AA man is threatening me" is ok. Why would she say his race? Who cares what his race is?

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Yes, but people who aren't racist assholes like yourself don't think that "I'm going to call the cops and tell them an AA man is threatening me" is ok. Why would she say his race? Who cares what his race is?



you are dumb. I mean dumb.

First of all, they would ask her to describe him. She simply preemptively described him. She called him African American. So, whats wrong with that? When u call the police on somebody, dont u describe the threat?

Who the fuck would think she had some convoluted plan to try and get a cop to kill him. What a dumb idea.

This guy was an asshole. A baitor. He had been planning this for a long time. You can tell he was prepared. He had run-ins with a bunch of other people, so he rehearsed his approach very well to nab someone. Totally obvious. And in general, anybody that baits someone into a confrontation and then records them with a cellphone is looking for glory, attention, or both.

He is a scumbag. Fuck him and his miserable life, he had to go and try to ruin somebody else's life out of spite. He is an ugly fucker too.

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So again you're eliding a lot of context here and just repeating preformed talking points. I've already said repeatedly that the dismissal thing is odd and that she's probably got a wrongful termination suit on her hands and maybe defamation of character. Just unfortunate that you can't be nuanced here and admit the call to 911 was calculated and not honest, but that even so this doesn't mean she should be fired.


What are the preformed talking points here? You are assuming quite a bit in this. First of all isn't confronting someone over rules considered a no-no? That's what we are told in other confrontations. Don't interfere. This guy started a confrontation over a dog that wasn't really that close to him.

She felt either threatened or angry, and she acted pretty irrationally. My issue is that how we can say with certainty that she was calculating or what here intensions really were. She seemed to be in a less than ideal state of mind. My problem with the incident is that we take shit like this, and say see how terrible it is to be black in America, like we all haven't had stupid incidents with strangers. It's media clickbait that's used to divide us, and it fires up racial tensions and makes people react irrationally.

The media will have you believe that ever white person is hopelessly biased and looking for a reason to bring out the SWAT team. That doesn't make for a united country.



yep. The media keeps flashing WHITE chick, BLACK guy, WHITE chick, black guy like a neon sign. If i didnt see this thru the lens of media I woulda hardly noticed who's black or white. Who gives a fuck? The guy was a scheming cocksucker, make no mistake. He was looking for an incident like this for a long time, this wasn't happenstance.

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Yes, but people who aren't racist assholes like yourself don't think that "I'm going to call the cops and tell them an AA man is threatening me" is ok. Why would she say his race? Who cares what his race is?



you are dumb. I mean dumb.

First of all, they would ask her to describe him. She simply preemptively described him. She called him African American. So, whats wrong with that? When u call the police on somebody, dont u describe the threat?

Who the fuck would think she had some convoluted plan to try and get a cop to kill him. What a dumb idea.

This guy was an asshole. A baitor. He had been planning this for a long time. You can tell he was prepared. He had run-ins with a bunch of other people, so he rehearsed his approach very well to nab someone. Totally obvious. And in general, anybody that baits someone into a confrontation and then records them with a cellphone is looking for glory, attention, or both.

He is a scumbag. Fuck him and his miserable life, he had to go and try to ruin somebody else's life out of spite. He is an ugly fucker too.

This is about the most predictable post of the thread.

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Some are justifying her actions saying saying he threatened to poison her dog, which seems like a real stretch. He said he had treats he sometimes uses to attract the dogs of the leash violators, likely to piss them off. Douchey? Yes. Dog killer? No.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 12:17 pm 
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Some are justifying her actions saying saying he threatened to poison her dog, which seems like a real stretch. He said he had treats he sometimes uses to attract the dogs of the leash violators, likely to piss them off. Douchey? Yes. Dog killer? No.


sorry dude, but as a dog owner the poison angle is absolutely the first thing that would come to my mind if someone without a dog was telling me to put my dog on a leash and then a second later tried to lure my dog to him with a treat he pulled out of his pocket. We hear stories all the time about people finding hot dogs with nails in them at dog parks or on lawns in neighborhoods. Just read one a few days ago.


If someone is telling me to put my dog on a leash and then later is trying to call my dog over to him and lure him to him I would 100% assume that person intended to harm my dog.

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 Post subject: Re: Central Park Karen
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2020 12:18 pm 
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First of all, they would ask her to describe him. She simply preemptively described him. She called him African American. So, whats wrong with that? When u call the police on somebody, dont u describe the threat?

Who the fuck would think she had some convoluted plan to try and get a cop to kill him. What a dumb idea.

This guy was an asshole. A baitor. He had been planning this for a long time. You can tell he was prepared. He had run-ins with a bunch of other people, so he rehearsed his approach very well to nab someone. Totally obvious. And in general, anybody that baits someone into a confrontation and then records them with a cellphone is looking for glory, attention, or both.

He is a scumbag. Fuck him and his miserable life, he had to go and try to ruin somebody else's life out of spite. He is an ugly fucker too.



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