"To the victors go the spoils" in terms of a country that wins deciding the fate of the land it has been victorious on.

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I asked how they were similar and you provided a quote. Ok have a good one.

Britain was the last country to secure a military victory in the land of Palestine.
Russia was the last country to secure a military victory in the land of Germany.

Russia was well within its rights to determine the future of Germany based on that.
Britain was well within its rights to determine the future of Palestine based on that.

Do you disagree with any of that?

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No. Germany Invaded Russia twice?

Did the Palestinians invade and war with Israel prior to 1948? Was there even an Israel?

Since the answer is no then the situations aren't similar.

This is why it's such a great comparison. East and West Germany were created as two new countries based on the results of the war and the decisions made by the "victors". No one ever invaded from West or East Germany. Now, maybe the previous inhabitants of the lands did just like plenty of others had invaded the land of Palestine.

Israel was created by the victors(Britain) who had beaten the Ottoman Empire after WWI.

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Germany attacked Russia. That provided Russia with a moral high ground for what later occurred in Germany.

No one attacked the Israelis. Israel didn't exist. You are not making much sense. What provided Russia with a moral authority was the fact that they were attacked.

At what point was Israel attacked Prior to 1948?

East Germany and West Germany were two new countries that were created. Neither of them attacked Russia.

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meh, after years of this going on with literally no changes, I don't give a damn how it looks.

It's clear that nothing else has brought about reform so perhaps police in body bags will. We know they've been putting hundreds of Americans into them annually.

DA's won't take action because they need police for cases. Politicians won't take action as they need union votes. Police themselves won't take action as they routinely cover for the worst among them.

Micah Xavier Johnson was the John Brown of our time. His methods may have been much, but you can't say he wasn't fighting a good cause.

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This concludes this portion of the show. You aren't making sense.
Time to move on.

Did the Palestinians invade and war with Israel prior to 1948? Was there even an Israel?

It's a place that exists. Schaumburg exists but there isn't a Schaumburgian people.

I asked how they were similar and you provided a quote. Ok have a good one.

Context:


East Germany, West Germany, and Israel did not exist prior to 1948.

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???? What a lame response.

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At this point it's best to simply stop. What provided Russia an opportunity to determine Germany's fate was Germany's invasion of Russia.

No such equivalence existed foe Israel. The Palestinians didn't invade Israel.

When you get down to it a group of foreigners (The British) created a country for another group of Foreigners (Jewish people) and the natives had a problem with it. As they rightfully should have.

The Ottoman Empire engaged in a world war with Britain and Britain took control of land they formerly controlled. It's literally the same thing!

Well, I'll also point out you think Israel should be been created in Germany so this really doesn't seem to be an idea you truly believe in.

Jewish people weren't foreigners. They were in the area for pretty much all of recorded time.

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So if a Mexican were to migrate into the Country tomorrow you wouldn't consider him a foreigner because other Mexicans were already here?

As stated you aren't making sense.

The United States exists as a country. There wasn't a country there. Native Americans would be a similar example and I don't think they are foreigners because a country was created on the land they occupied.

You forgot to say you were done on that post too.

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Before the U.S. existed as a,country there were still people that inhabited the land. When it became a country the people that inhabited the land made it into a country.
Great Britain didn't import people in and arbitrarily decide that United States would be a country. The natives did.

By the way did you know that Palestine was considered a territory at the time of the Mandate? Do you also understand that the natural progression is from that of territory to country?

Um, you may want to read up on how people showed up here and where many of them came from. Spoiler alert: Great Britain imported a lot of people to America.

Who were they a territory of?

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Did Great Britain determine that the U.S. would be the U.S?

Did they decide that the U.S. would become a country for a group comprised of people from another continent? You might want to read up on that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_(1783)

You are all over the place, but are you really going to draw the line in the sand that Israel was created as a country without a revolution against the country that controlled the territory and was instead a peaceful transition of power to create a new nation?

Great Britain, just like they did with Israel, imported huge amounts of people from other areas in.

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This Country was created by people that were native born. Israel was not.

Interesting.

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Not really. Its actually consistent. The indigenous and/or people of every country should have the right to determine the creation of it.


My views don't change according to the group involved. Yours does apparently

On July 12, 1948, Israeli soldiers battling the Arab Legion and local irregulars in the towns of Lydda and Ramle, just south of Tel Aviv, were ordered to empty the two towns of their Arab residents. Over two days, between 50,000 and 60,000 inhabitants were driven from their homes. Many were forced to walk eastward to the Arab Legion lines; others were carried in trucks or buses. Clogging the roads, tens of thousands of refugees marched, shedding their possessions along the way.

The expulsions, conducted under orders from then-Lt. Col. Yitzhak Rabin, were an element of the partial ethnic cleansing that rid Israel of the majority of its Arab inhabitants at the very moment of its birth. Earlier, in the 1930s and 1940s, a near consensus had emerged among Zionist leaders on the necessity of “transfer.” They believed that it was critical to buy out or drive out the Arab inhabitants from the areas destined for Jewish statehood, both to make way for Jewish immigrants and to remove the Arabs who opposed, often violently, the establishment of such a state.

The idea of transfer never crystallized into a formal Zionist policy -- there was no master plan and, of course, not all Palestinians who became refugees in 1948 were expelled like the Arabs of Lydda and Ramle. Indeed, most fled because they feared the ravages of war or because they were advised to do so by their leaders. But one way or another, transfer was accomplished; 700,000 Palestinians left the country, and the refugee problem that has haunted Israel ever since was born.

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So if they had waited until a majority of the Jewish inhabitants were born on the land then you'd have no problem with Israel being created there?

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Yeah if Jewish people constituted the majority then it would be no problem.

Proclaiming it a homeland when you constitute a mere 6% of the people at the time of proclamation seems disingenuous to me.

The native inhabitants of the land had more of a right to it. That's why I brought up Herzl. If even the "Father of Zionism" wasn't sold on that parcel of land being the place for Israel then what does that suggest?

What was the percentage when it was officially a country?

There are at the present time 64 of these settlements, large and small, with a population of some 15,000. By 1948, the population had risen to 1,900,000, of whom 68% were Arabs, and 32% were Jews (UNSCOP report, including Bedouin).
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Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

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Jewish people still were not in the majority. Their numbers increased significantly after the Mandate. They were about 33-40% at the time of Israel's creation.

Hey Brick while you are at it how do you feel about this?
I bet that it was just the cost of doing business as far as you were concerned


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