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Ogie, posting the addresses here isn't edgy or cute. It's disrespectful to the community and stupid. You have the information and you feel so strongly about murdering cops, you should probably go handle your business or stop. You're coming off like a 13 year old troll.

The address is all over the Internet


If anyone wants them, they can find them then. No use posting them here along with death threats.

Agree. No need to bring that shit here.

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Ogie, your argument falls apart when we remember you stating in the past that you won’t be the one killing police.

You want other people to do it.

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You know what would make me change my heart?

Seeing bad police turned in by the so-called "good" police (who seemingly only exist in fiction).

Let's be real, police in this country are at best armed tax collectors and at worst cold blooded murderers who will shoot your dog and then shoot you.

If the justice system did its job and held police accountable, I would be singing a different tune, but nothing I have seen in my lifetime has given me reason to think otherwise.

So you feel forced to promote vigilantism?


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Ogie, your argument falls apart when we remember you stating in the past that you won’t be the one killing police.

You want other people to do it.

I only expect someone with nothing to lose to take such action. Sort of like John Brown at Harper's Ferry. Plenty shared his cause and beliefs, but it took someone who literally had nothing left to lose to do it. There's a reason I compare that great hero of American history to Micah Xavier Johnson

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You know what would make me change my heart?

Seeing bad police turned in by the so-called "good" police (who seemingly only exist in fiction).

Let's be real, police in this country are at best armed tax collectors and at worst cold blooded murderers who will shoot your dog and then shoot you.

If the justice system did its job and held police accountable, I would be singing a different tune, but nothing I have seen in my lifetime has given me reason to think otherwise.

So you feel forced to promote vigilantism?
After seeing Philando Castile's murderer get off, yep

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Ogie is the July DiCaro of cop killing. Just wants somebody else to do it while all he does is talk. He should have a blue checkmark oh his posts here.


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Lol..its not really over the top to wish this particular chump dead.

The chump has neighbors.

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Bless those good people

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lock everyone down then step on their throats.

i cant help but wonder how these protests do anything though. wouldnt it be more effective in this era to make viral videos that get these asshats that support this behavior voted out?

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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You know what would make me change my heart?

Seeing bad police turned in by the so-called "good" police (who seemingly only exist in fiction).

Let's be real, police in this country are at best armed tax collectors and at worst cold blooded murderers who will shoot your dog and then shoot you.

If the justice system did its job and held police accountable, I would be singing a different tune, but nothing I have seen in my lifetime has given me reason to think otherwise.

So you feel forced to promote vigilantism?
After seeing Philando Castile's murderer get off, yep

I'm not unsympathetic to that, but it's a remarkably selfish rationale to have.

But I have family members I'd worry about if they were pulled over. That Castile shooting was hard to understand.


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lock everyone down then step on their throats.

i cant help but wonder how these protests do anything though. wouldnt it be more effective in this era to make viral videos that get these asshats that support this behavior voted out?

That's a good question. I wonder if riots persuade people who are on the fence. I know that for some people, it confirms stereotypes, whereas other people think, "Man, I just want to move away from _______."


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Do they get the food charges back? Failure to deliver.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Bless those good people

I'm guessing the delivery driver didn't turn away because he realized who it was being delivered to, but rather because of the big crowds. He's probably pissed he didn't get his tip.

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tommy wrote:
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lock everyone down then step on their throats.

i cant help but wonder how these protests do anything though. wouldnt it be more effective in this era to make viral videos that get these asshats that support this behavior voted out?

That's a good question. I wonder if riots persuade people who are on the fence. I know that for some people, it confirms stereotypes, whereas other people think, "Man, I just want to move away from _______."

The police apathy that follows usually results in a degree of lawlessness that makes the offending action that starts this whole chain of events seem insignificant.


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This cop has a history.


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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Ogie, your argument falls apart when we remember you stating in the past that you won’t be the one killing police.

You want other people to do it.

I only expect someone with nothing to lose to take such action. Sort of like John Brown at Harper's Ferry. Plenty shared his cause and beliefs, but it took someone who literally had nothing left to lose to do it. There's a reason I compare that great hero of American history to Micah Xavier Johnson


You really are telling on yourself now. You style yourself as a champion of liberty and anti-authoritarianism, but when the rubber meets the road suddenly family obligations trump everything. Really you're a perfect internet libertarian in that you'd gladly pay other people to carry out your plans while you sit at home and get fat off steak.

I am NOT defending cops when I ask this question, but assuming all police are eliminated what takes their place? Its the Bolivian Tree Lizard plan from The Simpsons at the end of the day.

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Ogie, your argument falls apart when we remember you stating in the past that you won’t be the one killing police.

You want other people to do it.

I only expect someone with nothing to lose to take such action. Sort of like John Brown at Harper's Ferry. Plenty shared his cause and beliefs, but it took someone who literally had nothing left to lose to do it. There's a reason I compare that great hero of American history to Micah Xavier Johnson


You really are telling on yourself now. You style yourself as a champion of liberty and anti-authoritarianism, but when the rubber meets the road suddenly family obligations trump everything. Really you're a perfect internet libertarian in that you'd gladly pay other people to carry out your plans while you sit at home and get fat off steak.

I am NOT defending cops when I ask this question, but assuming all police are eliminated what takes their place? Its the Bolivian Tree Lizard plan from The Simpsons at the end of the day.

since you are seemingly posting this in good faith, I'll bite.

Before I did have my wife and my family, I did actually sign to put it on the line for something I believe in when I moved to Israel and joined the IDF. I'm proud I did it but in my current life position, I wouldn't do it as you take on other responsibilities when you become a husband and father and yes those responsibilities trump any political belief. If that makes me a coward, so be it, I've already signed to put my life at risk for one cause I believe in and that was fulfilling enough when I had the chance. That's more than most will do in their lives and it's something I'm proud of.

As for police, I've never advocated getting rid of them. I would very quickly change my tune if our society and legal system held police to the same standard that you or I are held to. As it stands, police seemingly have a license to rob, kill, and get away with just about any other crime you can name. If courts in this country regularly held people like the cop who murdered Philando Castile responsible for their actions, I would have a different approach, but pretty much every thing I have seen in my life has given me no hope of that happening anytime soon. Qualified immunity is still a thing and departments line up to defend their worst.

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If you are calm, respectful and not outwardly a criminal cops leave you alone. 100% of the time, I dont care what your skin colour is. They dont care, they are just wanting to get home and now more prone to any of sort of violence than anyone else. Its odd that in American society you'll get doxxed and fired from your job for harassing a fast food worker on film, but do the same thing to police officer and it draws cheers.

The idea that police operate with impunity is preposterous. People openly brag about how they want to kill cops, and while yeah that winds people who go on those rants up on an FBI watchlist (I report them if I see it on social media, I've not reported Ogie since I know he's just venting) it still doesn't mean police dont see it.

Your odds of being killed by a police officer in America are really small. If you're not a criminal they are near zero. Those who play stupid games win stupid prizes, and if you roll the wheel of law enforcement long enough in a country with eight guns for every person you're eventually going to land on "get a little too much force used on you". Part of the game.


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Looks like they got in the zone


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Well, they are stepping up. Looting the only Target store in the area it looks like. Wonder if it reopens?

Were they wearing masks?

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Ogie, your argument falls apart when we remember you stating in the past that you won’t be the one killing police.

You want other people to do it.

I only expect someone with nothing to lose to take such action. Sort of like John Brown at Harper's Ferry. Plenty shared his cause and beliefs, but it took someone who literally had nothing left to lose to do it. There's a reason I compare that great hero of American history to Micah Xavier Johnson


You really are telling on yourself now. You style yourself as a champion of liberty and anti-authoritarianism, but when the rubber meets the road suddenly family obligations trump everything. Really you're a perfect internet libertarian in that you'd gladly pay other people to carry out your plans while you sit at home and get fat off steak.

I am NOT defending cops when I ask this question, but assuming all police are eliminated what takes their place? Its the Bolivian Tree Lizard plan from The Simpsons at the end of the day.

since you are seemingly posting this in good faith, I'll bite.

Before I did have my wife and my family, I did actually sign to put it on the line for something I believe in when I moved to Israel and joined the IDF. I'm proud I did it but in my current life position, I wouldn't do it as you take on other responsibilities when you become a husband and father and yes those responsibilities trump any political belief. If that makes me a coward, so be it, I've already signed to put my life at risk for one cause I believe in and that was fulfilling enough when I had the chance. That's more than most will do in their lives and it's something I'm proud of.

As for police, I've never advocated getting rid of them. I would very quickly change my tune if our society and legal system held police to the same standard that you or I are held to. As it stands, police seemingly have a license to rob, kill, and get away with just about any other crime you can name. If courts in this country regularly held people like the cop who murdered Philando Castile responsible for their actions, I would have a different approach, but pretty much every thing I have seen in my life has given me no hope of that happening anytime soon. Qualified immunity is still a thing and departments line up to defend their worst.


Police will never be held to the same legal standard as private citizens because there is no value in doing so. This would be even more true if police were to be privatized. That being the case, how do you live in the world knowing that your continued existence will effectuate absolutely zero meaningful change?

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