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My first house had a drop ceiling with can lights....worked great.

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Did. Not. Happen.

You live in Wisconsin. They won't have electricity there for another decade or so.

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Basements aside, I'm surprised at how much of the country's residential wiring is done without metal conduit. It's one thing I appreciate we have here in Chicagoland.

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Code was changed a couple years ago that conduit isn't required and cast iron plumbing is on the way out.

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Our house is conduit out here. If we call an electrician and mention that they always say “oh, a commercial job?” No...

Cast isn’t as bad now that they can use compression sleeves instead of leading it in.

Nomination denied. Gotta use good insulation and 5/8 inch drywall to deaden sound. The theater room is in the basement, with acoustical wallcovering as well, so you get ideal sound quality, without worries that it will reverberate through the home. Drop ceilings are just hideous.

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Curious as to why metal conduit is still used. Don't they make it out of a non-conductive material that still retains tensile strength? Seems dangerous. If insects, water, dry-rotting etc. causes fraying of wires in side the conduit, isn't the whole system in danger of being "hot"?

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Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

You can use can or track with your open ceiling.

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Someone has been lurking

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Movie theater

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i thought for certain he was returning for the "I Can't Breathe " thread

He can be the subject of the "I Can't Breathe III" Thread

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Better chance of him being the killer than the killee in that situation.

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I went from gas to electric in the late 2000's and patching up a long ass trench in a drywalled ceiling was a pain in the ass.

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GO BEARS!!!

Think money and Chicago politics. If it costs more to install - both from a materials and labor standpoint - it is very likely in the Chicago Building Code.

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“My god, what an !diot.”- JD Vance tweet on Trump
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Outside of Milwaukee I'd have thought you see no conduit.. All Romex.

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Bingo!!!

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Lake Forest has continued to require cast iron plumbing drains for decades under the claim that it's less toxic in a fire and it's quieter. In reality, some of the more powerful people in town have had large plumbing companies who make a mint installing and servicing this antiquated system.

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You can absolutely do can lights in drop ceilings. I kind of want to see a basement with 2x2 drop in LED flat panels like all offices have now.

Ive done houses in Dupage County where conduit was mandated. Its an absolute pain in the ass to run it in a newer stick framed house with all the crazy shit homeowners want. It is especially fun when they change their minds about lighting locations as the project evolves.

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The 2x2 LED panels look great. You just have remember to get them in a "warmer" incandescent "temperature". Very reasonable and very simple install.

Something like this


https://www.lightup.com/2x2-flat-panels.html

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I found a panel area to cut out the dry wall.....I think I can limit it to one single square.

Agreed on the Chicago building code, but regardless, conduit is superior for a variety of reasons. I did use Romex for my kitchen can lights, but if the walls aren't up yet, there's no excuse to not use conduit.

My Dad had a really great apprenticeship program for teaching me.
W: "Hey Dad....I need to put an outlet in the garage, can you possibly help and teach me?"
Dad: "Yeah, sure.....come on by to pick up some materials"
(drives over to Dad's house)
Dad: "Here's some pipe, here's your wire, here's a bender, and here some connectors and housings."
W: "Oh, cool. When do you want to start".
Dad: "Whenever the fuck you feel like it. Get reading and let me know when you're done. Don't connect anything to the panel, I'll do that once you're ready."
W: uh....ok
(2 weeks later Dad comes over to run wire to the panel)
Dad: "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS. THIS LOOKS LIKE SHIT. JESUS!"

i learned eventually

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You may have just saved me a ton of money and anguish when I update my basement in the new house.

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If you always want to do "home runs" then romex or BX shouldn't bother you because you would pull those actually using those as the draw string for the new wire in a change further down the road. I always felt conduit was better when you had to fish new wire through for later updates.

As for plumbing all changes should be to home runs with plex. There is a pressure drop at every single copper elbow. My old house due to age and modifications must of had a thousand.

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So, uh...when does the pool open?

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@audioidkid

Thursday of last week.....water is still Cold AF at 72 degrees.
We need more sunshine

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We switched out about 100 of them down the hallways at the office. Like night and day. If you have a drop ceiling basement, I would not hesitate to use these instead of cans. They'll also last for many many years...and they use very little power.

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The newest batch that we have been installing have an integrated switch that allows it to go between 2700, 4000 and 5000 K. Im putting one in tomorrow in a bakery kitchen. I guarantee I will be back to replace the rest once they see how awesome they are and how ridiculous the old tubes look compared to them.

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Yeah, I don't think they can make them fast enough.

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Running conduit in a new house would be absolutely miserable. Back in the day they shared a neutral on almost all circuits and had far less 3 ways, 4 ways and just overall circuits. You could get away with just a few home run pipes. Now you would almost have to set a damn trough on top of the panels or a huge 20x20 box in the attic to distribute out of. If I had to do a house and couldn't use Romex I would rather use MC. I would probably have to still do a trough or something accommodate the amount of wires I would need to get into the panel.....or mount it like a fucking Canadian.

Remodeling with EMT is brutal. Its not like its 1 wire that you can pretty easily move. The pipe is usually full of multiple circuits or switch legs and you have to do some very time consuming research and then re-routing. Alot of the old shit has garbage crimp on connectors and no ground wire and god awful thick rubber coated solid wire.

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