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They've been offered 1967 lines with land swaps on multiple occasions so they were granted what their demands were but walked away from the table as their true intention is the destruction of Israel. Quite simply, they made their bed and they can sleep in it now.

As things stand now, there are absolutely no Israelis in Gaza. In the West Bank, Area A and most of Area B is under complete PA control and administration


Fuck the police...except the police force I actively sought to join

I don't think being in an infantry brigade standing across from Hezbollah on the Lebanese border even remotely resembles police work.


Of course you dont

well police are dealing with civilians, we were dealing with an IRGC proxy...

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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They've been offered 1967 lines with land swaps on multiple occasions so they were granted what their demands were but walked away from the table as their true intention is the destruction of Israel. Quite simply, they made their bed and they can sleep in it now.

As things stand now, there are absolutely no Israelis in Gaza. In the West Bank, Area A and most of Area B is under complete PA control and administration


Fuck the police...except the police force I actively sought to join

I don't think being in an infantry brigade standing across from Hezbollah on the Lebanese border even remotely resembles police work.


Of course you dont

well police are dealing with civilians, we were dealing with an IRGC proxy...


Police are municipal military. All the things you have stated about municipal military are true of national military.

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good dolphin wrote:
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They've been offered 1967 lines with land swaps on multiple occasions so they were granted what their demands were but walked away from the table as their true intention is the destruction of Israel. Quite simply, they made their bed and they can sleep in it now.

As things stand now, there are absolutely no Israelis in Gaza. In the West Bank, Area A and most of Area B is under complete PA control and administration


Fuck the police...except the police force I actively sought to join

I don't think being in an infantry brigade standing across from Hezbollah on the Lebanese border even remotely resembles police work.


Of course you dont

well police are dealing with civilians, we were dealing with an IRGC proxy...


Police are municipal military. All the things you have stated about municipal military are true of national military.

This is the root of the problem. Police are not supposed to be the military but we in America have militarized them through the drug war. Just about every other western country has managed to avoid this pitfall.

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This is the root of the problem. Police are not supposed to be the military but we in America have militarized them through the drug war. Just about every other western country has managed to avoid this pitfall.

All of this is ludicrously untrue.

Firstoff, anyone who's been to Germany will take notice of the Polizei armed with sub machine guns just walking around. Same holds true in MANY places, too. Australian police are armed. France too shows force to a degree that is a bit off-putting to Americans. The real outliers are the UK, Nordics and New Zealand. The latter two have basically no violent crime and the UK debate is one you can get into if you want (London is basically American-city tier in its crime now). So the USA is certainly not unique in the way police are armed, I would say most American cops are less equipped than their foreign counterparts in many countries.

Also its not the drug war. Its the eight guns for every person. And really being killed by a police officer without instigating deadly force is very rare, so rare it makes the news this much.

This is really about the way race makes headlines in the media and how pathetically fragile black Americans are.


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This is the root of the problem. Police are not supposed to be the military but we in America have militarized them through the drug war. Just about every other western country has managed to avoid this pitfall.

All of this is ludicrously untrue.

Firstoff, anyone who's been to Germany will take notice of the Polizei armed with sub machine guns just walking around. Same holds true in MANY places, too. Australian police are armed. France too shows force to a degree that is a bit off-putting to Americans. The real outliers are the UK, Nordics and New Zealand. The latter two have basically no violent crime and the UK debate is one you can get into if you want (London is basically American-city tier in its crime now). So the USA is certainly not unique in the way police are armed, I would say most American cops are less equipped than their foreign counterparts in many countries.

Also its not the drug war. Its the eight guns for every person. And really being killed by a police officer without instigating deadly force is very rare, so rare it makes the news this much.

This is really about the way race makes headlines in the media and how pathetically fragile black Americans are.

There's our little Stormfronter making his appearance...


To the rest of your post, police are armed in other countries, but they don't execute tens of thousands of no knock swat raids for petty warrant service in other countries. They don't have thousands of incidents of shooting dogs in someone's home or yard in other countries. They don't kill hundreds of citizens on an annual basis in other countries.

The issue of militarization of police and how they are utilized is a uniquely American problem within the western world. I make that distinction as as the way US police behave is comparable to how they would in a 3rd world country like Mexico.

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This is really about the way race makes headlines in the media and how pathetically fragile black Americans are.

Talking out of your ass and proving your pathetic ignorance as usual.

Midday as usual at the increasingly ridiculous CFMB.

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There's our little Stormfronter making his appearance...


To the rest of your post, police are armed in other countries, but they don't execute tens of thousands of no knock swat raids for petty warrant service in other countries. They don't have thousands of incidents of shooting dogs in someone's home or yard in other countries. They don't kill hundreds of citizens on an annual basis in other countries.

The issue of militarization of police and how they are utilized is a uniquely American problem within the western world. I make that distinction as as the way US police behave is comparable to how they would in a 3rd world country like Mexico.

Hey Ogie, this is gonna hurt but its time for all of us to admit...the USA is a third world country like Mexico. The way law enforcement operates, the way we need a consitutional amendment to protect the right to bear arms because of how likely you are to be the victim of rape, burglary, armed robbery or assault. The idea that we are better than places like Mexico or Brazil and not, in fact, in roughly the same situation they are is the height of delusion.

As for the stormfront accusation. I have nothing but love for my black brothers and sisters, I think black men are the last bastion of masculinity in this pussified burrito country. I hope they stay the course. But let's just be honest and call em like we see em, black people like to look for ways to feed their persecution complex. Not all, but its definitely part of their collective conscience.


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If blacks were more durable then kneeling on their necks wouldn’t kill them. Checkmate libtards.


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Essentially yes. Ogie says he'd change his pro-kill cops outlook if they were held to the same legal standard as you or I. Except Ogie knows that cops will never be held to that standard because he knows there is value in cops being immune from that standard. That immunity is where authoritarians (cops in this instance) are able to exercise power over others. This is true regardless of whether the authority is public or private.

This the best you got Spiral? Pretty unconvincing rebuttal to Ogie here. You're basically backing up his point.

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If blacks were more durable then kneeling on their necks wouldn’t kill them. Checkmate libtards.
Plus, its warm weather. They thrive in that right? At least thats what Dusty Baker told us,

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Rioting and burning down the city is now a "heated protest".

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This is the root of the problem. Police are not supposed to be the military but we in America have militarized them through the drug war. Just about every other western country has managed to avoid this pitfall.

All of this is ludicrously untrue.

Firstoff, anyone who's been to Germany will take notice of the Polizei armed with sub machine guns just walking around. Same holds true in MANY places, too. Australian police are armed. France too shows force to a degree that is a bit off-putting to Americans. The real outliers are the UK, Nordics and New Zealand. The latter two have basically no violent crime and the UK debate is one you can get into if you want (London is basically American-city tier in its crime now). So the USA is certainly not unique in the way police are armed, I would say most American cops are less equipped than their foreign counterparts in many countries.

Also its not the drug war. Its the eight guns for every person. And really being killed by a police officer without instigating deadly force is very rare, so rare it makes the news this much.

This is really about the way race makes headlines in the media and how pathetically fragile black Americans are.

There's our little Stormfronter making his appearance...


To the rest of your post, police are armed in other countries, but they don't execute tens of thousands of no knock swat raids for petty warrant service in other countries. They don't have thousands of incidents of shooting dogs in someone's home or yard in other countries. They don't kill hundreds of citizens on an annual basis in other countries.

The issue of militarization of police and how they are utilized is a uniquely American problem within the western world. I make that distinction as as the way US police behave is comparable to how they would in a 3rd world country like Mexico.
I think even you could admit that the approach one takes to police a citizenry disarmed by law can/should/will differ from the approaches taken to police citizens that may be armed by law.

Is there even a comp for a first-world nation with almost purely local police forces enforcing laws in a population that is as legally armed as America?


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Rioting and burning down the city is now a "heated protest".

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Yeah but the Michigan protestors !!!

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If the one cop was in jail pending charges, there wouldn't have been riots.
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You clearly have the one on manslaughter. The others, as much as I want, I don't think you will get a charge on them, not a convictable one. Maybe strip their pensions for misconduct.


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Essentially yes. Ogie says he'd change his pro-kill cops outlook if they were held to the same legal standard as you or I. Except Ogie knows that cops will never be held to that standard because he knows there is value in cops being immune from that standard. That immunity is where authoritarians (cops in this instance) are able to exercise power over others. This is true regardless of whether the authority is public or private.

This the best you got Spiral? Pretty unconvincing rebuttal to Ogie here. You're basically backing up his point.


I'm not really trying to change Ogie's mind about the police because his mind is made up. Ogie says he'd change his pro-killing cops viewpoint if they were consistently held accountable for their misdeeds. This will never happen so he will never change his mind.

MANY have determined that the service the police provide is worth the handful of murders they commit.

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Essentially yes. Ogie says he'd change his pro-kill cops outlook if they were held to the same legal standard as you or I. Except Ogie knows that cops will never be held to that standard because he knows there is value in cops being immune from that standard. That immunity is where authoritarians (cops in this instance) are able to exercise power over others. This is true regardless of whether the authority is public or private.

This the best you got Spiral? Pretty unconvincing rebuttal to Ogie here. You're basically backing up his point.


I'm not really trying to change Ogie's mind about the police because his mind is made up. Ogie says he'd change his pro-killing cops viewpoint if they were consistently held accountable for their misdeeds. This will never happen so he will never change his mind.

MANY have determined that the service the police provide is worth the handful of murders they commit.

You're basically acknowledged that police are lawless thugs so you can probably see why I don't mind when someone like a Micah Xavier Johnson takes justice into his own hands. Just as John Brown came to the realization that force and only force would bring about the changes that would end slavery, Mr. Johnson realized that only force would make police take a step back as the justice system sure as hell isn't doing it.

If police were held accountable for violent crimes, I would truly be singing a different tune. However, you basically conceded the point that they can get away with murder. I believe in peaceful actions bring about changes, but clearly that isn't even an avenue here.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
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SpiralStairs wrote:
Essentially yes. Ogie says he'd change his pro-kill cops outlook if they were held to the same legal standard as you or I. Except Ogie knows that cops will never be held to that standard because he knows there is value in cops being immune from that standard. That immunity is where authoritarians (cops in this instance) are able to exercise power over others. This is true regardless of whether the authority is public or private.

This the best you got Spiral? Pretty unconvincing rebuttal to Ogie here. You're basically backing up his point.


I'm not really trying to change Ogie's mind about the police because his mind is made up. Ogie says he'd change his pro-killing cops viewpoint if they were consistently held accountable for their misdeeds. This will never happen so he will never change his mind.

MANY have determined that the service the police provide is worth the handful of murders they commit.

You're basically acknowledged that police are lawless thugs so you can probably see why I don't mind when someone like a Micah Xavier Johnson takes justice into his own hands. Just as John Brown came to the realization that force and only force would bring about the changes that would end slavery, Mr. Johnson realized that only force would make police take a step back as the justice system sure as hell isn't doing it.

If police were held accountable for violent crimes, I would truly be singing a different tune. However, you basically conceded the point that they can get away with murder. I believe in peaceful actions bring about changes, but clearly that isn't even an avenue here.



How’d that change that he thought his actions would enact work out for Mr Johnson ?

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If the one cop was in jail pending charges, there wouldn't have been riots.

Probably not.

At least we can say the comparison between this and the Lansing protests is pretty much dead!


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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
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SpiralStairs wrote:
Essentially yes. Ogie says he'd change his pro-kill cops outlook if they were held to the same legal standard as you or I. Except Ogie knows that cops will never be held to that standard because he knows there is value in cops being immune from that standard. That immunity is where authoritarians (cops in this instance) are able to exercise power over others. This is true regardless of whether the authority is public or private.

This the best you got Spiral? Pretty unconvincing rebuttal to Ogie here. You're basically backing up his point.


I'm not really trying to change Ogie's mind about the police because his mind is made up. Ogie says he'd change his pro-killing cops viewpoint if they were consistently held accountable for their misdeeds. This will never happen so he will never change his mind.

MANY have determined that the service the police provide is worth the handful of murders they commit.

You're basically acknowledged that police are lawless thugs so you can probably see why I don't mind when someone like a Micah Xavier Johnson takes justice into his own hands. Just as John Brown came to the realization that force and only force would bring about the changes that would end slavery, Mr. Johnson realized that only force would make police take a step back as the justice system sure as hell isn't doing it.

If police were held accountable for violent crimes, I would truly be singing a different tune. However, you basically conceded the point that they can get away with murder. I believe in peaceful actions bring about changes, but clearly that isn't even an avenue here.



How’d that change that he thought his actions would enact work out for Mr Johnson ?

He started something.

John Brown didn't stop slavery either at Harper's Ferry, but he started something that day.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
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SpiralStairs wrote:
Essentially yes. Ogie says he'd change his pro-kill cops outlook if they were held to the same legal standard as you or I. Except Ogie knows that cops will never be held to that standard because he knows there is value in cops being immune from that standard. That immunity is where authoritarians (cops in this instance) are able to exercise power over others. This is true regardless of whether the authority is public or private.

This the best you got Spiral? Pretty unconvincing rebuttal to Ogie here. You're basically backing up his point.


I'm not really trying to change Ogie's mind about the police because his mind is made up. Ogie says he'd change his pro-killing cops viewpoint if they were consistently held accountable for their misdeeds. This will never happen so he will never change his mind.

MANY have determined that the service the police provide is worth the handful of murders they commit.

You're basically acknowledged that police are lawless thugs so you can probably see why I don't mind when someone like a Micah Xavier Johnson takes justice into his own hands. Just as John Brown came to the realization that force and only force would bring about the changes that would end slavery, Mr. Johnson realized that only force would make police take a step back as the justice system sure as hell isn't doing it.

If police were held accountable for violent crimes, I would truly be singing a different tune. However, you basically conceded the point that they can get away with murder. I believe in peaceful actions bring about changes, but clearly that isn't even an avenue here.


Assume that we kill all police. Does something else take their place?

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Its pretty clear that these people are going to get their wish. No more police in their neighbourhoods. No more fire and probably soon enough no more EMS too, since there isn't a firefighter or EMT who is going to go to blitzing into an area where they know the police wont go.

I say fine. Let them experience their fantasy.


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Its pretty clear that these people are going to get their wish. No more police in their neighbourhoods. No more fire and probably soon enough no more EMS too, since there isn't a firefighter or EMT who is going to go to blitzing into an area where they know the police wont go.

I say fine. Let them experience their fantasy.


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