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Trump about 5 minutes ago:
"MAGA loves the blacks." "I love Minnesota! I almost won it 4 years ago."



I had to turn him off just now. If we were being invaded by space aliens he'd be on TV saying he thinks their leader likes him.


At least he has the balls to say it was Antifa causing this.

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Has there been any tantrums from Mayor Lightfoot or Governor Pritzker about the crowds last night?

I don't know, but cracking down on people going to church or walking on the beach while giving tacit approval to people throwing bricks through store windows is probably not a recipe for reelection.

I just repeated this to my wife and she said, "Yeah, that is interesting. Never thought of that." She thinks I'm very perceptive.
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When all that happens plus everyone getting some liquor, an iPhone and a flatscreen .

Plus that safe! Funniest thing I have seen in a long time.


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It's not entirely about how swiftly someone was charged. It's about people being tired of it happening.


If this is truly the case there will be rioting until the end of time. There is no way you can stop people from making bad decisions or expect them to make the correct choice every time . So then it has to go back about being satisfied that the police are charged with the crime, terminated, and the case to go through the court system and whatever the result ends up being, it is.


He and the other officers were fired Tuesday.
Autopsy was conducted to determined cause of death.
When it was found not to be a result of strangulation, he was charged appropriately.
DOJ is looking into filing civil rights violation charges.

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Trump about 5 minutes ago:
"MAGA loves the blacks." "I love Minnesota! I almost won it 4 years ago."



I had to turn him off just now. If we were being invaded by space aliens he'd be on TV saying he thinks their leader likes him.


At least he has the balls to say it was Antifa causing this.


The problem is he's said everything is Antifa and libs fault.

That dog doesn't hunt anymore.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
FrankDrebin wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Trump about 5 minutes ago:
"MAGA loves the blacks." "I love Minnesota! I almost won it 4 years ago."



I had to turn him off just now. If we were being invaded by space aliens he'd be on TV saying he thinks their leader likes him.


At least he has the balls to say it was Antifa causing this.


The problem is he's said everything is Antifa and libs fault.

That dog doesn't hunt anymore.


You have people from BLM saying Antifa has ramped up the situation. The mayor of Minneapolis and governor of Minnesota (both Dems) being complete pussies allowed the rioters to gain control. Portland basically provides a safe haven for Antifa and they are destroyed last night.

So yes, this is completely the fault of Antifa and the radical left.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Of course he didn't die from strangulation. He had a knee on the side of his neck, a pretty good sized cop on his neck and upper back, another cop's full weight on his back and yet another cop on his legs. His blood flow was restricted to his brain and his chest compressed under a few hundred pounds.

If I was sitting on your chest and you couldn't do anything about it...and I sat there until you couldn't breathe anymore, that's not strangulation...but it would be murder.

If someone says he did not die due to "compression asphyxia"...I will call bullshit.

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It's not entirely about how swiftly someone was charged. It's about people being tired of it happening.


If this is truly the case there will be rioting until the end of time. There is no way you can stop people from making bad decisions or expect them to make the correct choice every time . So then it has to go back about being satisfied that the police are charged with the crime, terminated, and the case to go through the court system and whatever the result ends up being, it is.


Angry people don't always think rationally. Most of the time people just want to feel like they're being heard.

If you have the time, focus on some of the video. In nearly every case there are people peacefully protesting and someone throws a rock or bottle from the back of the crowd. Someone in a brightly colored shirt or jacket kicks or jumps on a police car. I watched a 20 something black or Hispanic woman literally get in the face of EVERY officer while everyone else stands back with signs or they're chanting. She was hoping that some spittle or something pissed one off and they attack.

I don't know about 80% being outside provocateur's, but there are people there who's only goal is chaos and destruction. Of course there are locals who couldn't name the people who have been killed that don't want to miss and opportunity to grab a free item.

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Of course he didn't die from strangulation. He had a knee on the side of his neck, a pretty good sized cop on his neck and upper back, another cop's full weight on his back and yet another cop on his legs. His blood flow was restricted to his brain and his chest compressed under a few hundred pounds.

If I was sitting on your chest and you couldn't do anything about it...and I sat there until you couldn't breathe anymore, that's not strangulation...but it would be murder.


And that's why he was charged with 3rd Degree Murder.

The autopsy also showed he had underlying heart problems and possible intoxicants in the system; those plus him being restrained resulted in his death.

I'm not excusing the officer at all; what he did by placing his knee on the guys neck (while he was restrained) is uncalled for and he should be charged with murder, just not 1st or 2nd Degree according to the law.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Of course he didn't die from strangulation. He had a knee on the side of his neck, a pretty good sized cop on his neck and upper back, another cop's full weight on his back and yet another cop on his legs. His blood flow was restricted to his brain and his chest compressed under a few hundred pounds.

If I was sitting on your chest and you couldn't do anything about it...and I sat there until you couldn't breathe anymore, that's not strangulation...but it would be murder.


And that's why he was charged with 3rd Degree Murder.

The autopsy also showed he had underlying heart problems and possible intoxicants in the system; those plus him being restrained resulted in his death.


Sounds like its a COVID death then

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Sounds like its a COVID death then

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So people were just looking for an excuse to go crazy, and George Floyd gave them that reason.

That's honest at least.

Thanks for that.


Bingo. Nothing wrong with protesting, but rioting is another story.

Unless protesting involves taking a knee. Then it’s an affront to America.

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It's not entirely about how swiftly someone was charged. It's about people being tired of it happening.


If this is truly the case there will be rioting until the end of time. There is no way you can stop people from making bad decisions or expect them to make the correct choice every time . So then it has to go back about being satisfied that the police are charged with the crime, terminated, and the case to go through the court system and whatever the result ends up being, it is.


Angry people don't always think rationally. Most of the time people just want to feel like they're being heard.

Then what, outside of firing, charging and arresting the officer can be done to make people think theyre being heard ? They can put him and the next 25 cops who do this in jail and the 26th time it happens, there will be rioting.

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So people were just looking for an excuse to go crazy, and George Floyd gave them that reason.

That's honest at least.

Thanks for that.


Bingo. Nothing wrong with protesting, but rioting is another story.

Unless protesting involves taking a knee. Then it’s an affront to America.

Well, a lot of people place tremendous value on hearing the anthem before games. It's something many people value. Kap was fully aware of this. He even began kneeling out of respect (rather than sitting down).

This should have been a win-win for American culture.


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When you hyper focus on past injustice to the point that it's the most important part of people' identity there is no place for truth anymore. When the media and political leaders promote lies, distortion and feelings as facts we get rioting.

I mean look at this level of delusion:






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When you hyper focus on past injustice to the point that it's the most important part of people' identity there is no place for truth anymore. When the media and political leaders promote lies, distortion and feelings as facts we get rioting.

I mean look at this level of delusion:







Real nice in that last tweet of quoting a man who has called Jewish people "termites" and is a radical anti-Semite.

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https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/ ... 03527?s=19

The attorney general of Minnesota. I doubt he'll round up the leftist thugs.


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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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So people were just looking for an excuse to go crazy, and George Floyd gave them that reason.

That's honest at least.

Thanks for that.


Bingo. Nothing wrong with protesting, but rioting is another story.

Unless protesting involves taking a knee. Then it’s an affront to America.

Well, a lot of people place tremendous value on hearing the anthem before games. It's something many people value. Kap was fully aware of this. He even began kneeling out of respect (rather than sitting down).

This should have been a win-win for American culture.


A win-win? What kind of message is: we don't have to change you have to change. We are separate from the rest of you. The anthem is meant to bring people together. To reject the brotherhood of American citizenship and tell an outright lie like the police are targeting black men for death does far more damage than good. That lie is why cities around the country are burning.

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https://twitter.com/MattWolking/status/1266780408513003527?s=19

The attorney general of Minnesota. I doubt he'll round up the leftist thugs.


He's looking for the white supremacists and cartel members :roll:

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When all else fails start locating random people on Twitter in order to promote the notion of widespread "hysteria"

Governor of Mississippi Celebrates the Racist Past of the South and its considered no big deal.

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=121103


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Real nice in that last tweet of quoting a man who has called Jewish people "termites" and is a radical anti-Semite.


Doesn't like Jews. Shocking.

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When all else fails start locating random people on Twitter in order to promote the notion of widespread "hysteria"

Governor of Mississippi Celebrates the Racist Past of the South and its considered no big deal.

https://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=121103


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Happy Confederate History month.


Cities are up in flames all over the country because of the lie that it's open season on black people. The Confederacy has nothing to do with it. When it comes to black white interracial violence it is 93 percent black people attacking white people. So let's so the bullshit with they are hunting us that is promoted in the media everyday.

Table 14 in this report.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

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Real nice in that last tweet of quoting a man who has called Jewish people "termites" and is a radical anti-Semite.


Doesn't like Jews. Shocking.


Trump refers to African Countries as shitholes and Proud American cities like Baltimore as rat infested and you just seem to love him.

"Can't Talk about Trump" "Why are we talking about Trump"?

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
When all else fails start locating random people on Twitter in order to promote the notion of widespread "hysteria"

Governor of Mississippi Celebrates the Racist Past of the South and its considered no big deal.

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=121103


WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Happy Confederate History month.


Cities are up in flames all over the country because of the lie that it's open season on black people. The Confederacy has nothing to do with it. When it comes to black white interracial violence it is 93 percent black people attacking white people. So let's so the bullshit with they are hunting us that is promoted in the media everyday.

Table 14 in this report.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf


You happily celebrated a group of racists. I wonder why.?

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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Real nice in that last tweet of quoting a man who has called Jewish people "termites" and is a radical anti-Semite.


Doesn't like Jews. Shocking.


Trump refers to African Countries as shitholes and Proud American cities like Baltimore as rat infested and you just seem to love him.

"Can't Talk about Trump" "Why are we talking about Trump"?


Sounds like Trump is going after government officials and their policies instead of their race and religion.

He has criticized plenty of white politicians, males included.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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When all else fails start locating random people on Twitter in order to promote the notion of widespread "hysteria"

Governor of Mississippi Celebrates the Racist Past of the South and its considered no big deal.

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=121103


WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Happy Confederate History month.


Cities are up in flames all over the country because of the lie that it's open season on black people. The Confederacy has nothing to do with it. When it comes to black white interracial violence it is 93 percent black people attacking white people. So let's so the bullshit with they are hunting us that is promoted in the media everyday.

Table 14 in this report.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf


Aren't you the same guy that repeatedly brings up killings in Chicago as a,way of deflecting from racism and bigotry? How is this any different?

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FrankDrebin wrote:
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FrankDrebin wrote:
Real nice in that last tweet of quoting a man who has called Jewish people "termites" and is a radical anti-Semite.


Doesn't like Jews. Shocking.


Trump refers to African Countries as shitholes and Proud American cities like Baltimore as rat infested and you just seem to love him.

"Can't Talk about Trump" "Why are we talking about Trump"?


Sounds like Trump is going after government officials and their policies instead of their race and religion.

He has criticized plenty of white politicians, males included.


Nah but he says bigoted things all the time and everyone ignores it around here. But hey lets focus on a guy (Farrakkan) that has very little power. Or some dude on Twitter that happens to quote him. Yeah their real relevant right now.

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It's not entirely about how swiftly someone was charged. It's about people being tired of it happening.


If this is truly the case there will be rioting until the end of time. There is no way you can stop people from making bad decisions or expect them to make the correct choice every time . So then it has to go back about being satisfied that the police are charged with the crime, terminated, and the case to go through the court system and whatever the result ends up being, it is.


Angry people don't always think rationally. Most of the time people just want to feel like they're being heard.

Then what, outside of firing, charging and arresting the officer can be done to make people think theyre being heard ? They can put him and the next 25 cops who do this in jail and the 26th time it happens, there will be rioting.


I'm not going to pretend that I have the answers because I don't. I think mutual respect is required.

Everyone of us will likely encounter an asshole cop a couple of times in our lives regardless of your economic status. Those experiences don't make all/most cops bad, racist or any other negative label. We all make mistakes and we all have bad days.

What I think many of us fail to understand is that when you are young and/or poor (regardless of race) these "bad" encounters are more frequent. The abuses of power are more likely. Race of the cop doesn't matter either. Most poor people would probably tell you that they have been abused by more cops who look like them than ones that don't.

How do you change this? I don't have a clue. People with power will do stupid shit and people without power love challenging authority. I believe having more cops work in the community they live with could help. You are more likely to respect your neighbor. You're also more likely to give your neighbor the benefit of the doubt. More community outreach is also needed.

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