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I'm not going to pretend that I have the answers because I don't. I think mutual respect is required.

Everyone of us will likely encounter an asshole cop a couple of times in our lives regardless of your economic status. Those experiences don't make all/most cops bad, racist or any other negative label. We all make mistakes and we all have bad days.

What I think many of us fail to understand is that when you are young and/or poor (regardless of race) these "bad" encounters are more frequent. The abuses of power are more likely. Race of the cop doesn't matter either. Most poor people would probably tell you that they have been abused by more cops who look like them than ones that don't.

How do you change this? I don't have a clue. People with power will do stupid shit and people without power love challenging authority. I believe having more cops work in the community they live with could help. You are more likely to respect your neighbor. You're also more likely to give your neighbor the benefit of the doubt. More community outreach is also needed.


I think that most reasonable people can agree with all of this or most of it. Do I feel pity for the conditions of the inner city? Yes. Do I believe racism and past injustice has a role in why it's that way? Certainly.

But if you are going to tell these people the cops and white people are out to get them and the system is rigged against them. Well they are not going to try to change, and their political activities will be lashing out by rioting.

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It's not entirely about how swiftly someone was charged. It's about people being tired of it happening.


If this is truly the case there will be rioting until the end of time. There is no way you can stop people from making bad decisions or expect them to make the correct choice every time . So then it has to go back about being satisfied that the police are charged with the crime, terminated, and the case to go through the court system and whatever the result ends up being, it is.


Angry people don't always think rationally. Most of the time people just want to feel like they're being heard.

Then what, outside of firing, charging and arresting the officer can be done to make people think theyre being heard ? They can put him and the next 25 cops who do this in jail and the 26th time it happens, there will be rioting.


I'm not going to pretend that I have the answers because I don't. I think mutual respect is required.

Everyone of us will likely encounter an asshole cop a couple of times in our lives regardless of your economic status. Those experiences don't make all/most cops bad, racist or any other negative label. We all make mistakes and we all have bad days.

What I think many of us fail to understand is that when you are young and/or poor (regardless of race) these "bad" encounters are more frequent. The abuses of power are more likely. Race of the cop doesn't matter either. Most poor people would probably tell you that they have been abused by more cops who look like them than ones that don't.

How do you change this? I don't have a clue. People with power will do stupid shit and people without power love challenging authority. I believe having more cops work in the community they live with could help. You are more likely to respect your neighbor. You're also more likely to give your neighbor the benefit of the doubt. More community outreach is also needed.


The problem is some people tend to stereotype cops as being dicks/racist/power-hungry.

I was thrown up against the fence outside my own house at 16 by a white cop who said I matched the description of someone who robbed a store.
I was stopped driving through a small Missouri town by a white cop for no other reason that I can think of other than having Illinois plates.

I realize that there are asshole cops but also know the majority of them are good people. That's why I get upset when cops are shot, assaulted, or their precinct is burned down. Many of those cops probably are the ones who reach out to at-risk youth to help them, protect abused women from their abusers, and are completely color-blind. We have to identify those asshole cops who think they are above the law and remove them. Now, is this realistic? No, but when the situation arises where someone is treated unfairly by police, then the officer should be punished fully; only then will the culture begin to change and the assholes are driven out. Stop stereotyping everyone- there are good and bad people of every race, religion, gender, sexuality, ideology, etc.

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Has there been any tantrums from Mayor Lightfoot or Governor Pritzker about the crowds last night?


This is from SSC from yesterday afternoon :
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Chicago police officers have been ordered to “no longer use force to disperse large gatherings,” as tensions mount over the months-long stay-at-home order, and protests continue nationwide over the death of George Floyd, a handcuffed black man who pleaded for air as a white police officer kneeled on his neck

“Until further notice, large gatherings will only be monitored until the crowd disperse on it’s own. Please ensure that all supervisors under your command are made aware of this instruction,” top brass wrote in a memo to commanders and officers Thursday night.

In addition to mounting protests over Floyd’s death, the order comes amid a statewide stay-at-home order that prohibits gatherings of more than 10 people.

So no one can gather in groups of 10 or more.....but the Department won't give us any tools to "enforce" the "order."


The latest update on the site is , we was kinda buzy last night, will update soon. Why has the media only reported some windows broken and not the dozen or more stores looted and broken into.

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Nas wrote:
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It's not entirely about how swiftly someone was charged. It's about people being tired of it happening.


If this is truly the case there will be rioting until the end of time. There is no way you can stop people from making bad decisions or expect them to make the correct choice every time . So then it has to go back about being satisfied that the police are charged with the crime, terminated, and the case to go through the court system and whatever the result ends up being, it is.


Angry people don't always think rationally. Most of the time people just want to feel like they're being heard.

Then what, outside of firing, charging and arresting the officer can be done to make people think theyre being heard ? They can put him and the next 25 cops who do this in jail and the 26th time it happens, there will be rioting.


I'm not going to pretend that I have the answers because I don't. I think mutual respect is required.

Everyone of us will likely encounter an asshole cop a couple of times in our lives regardless of your economic status. Those experiences don't make all/most cops bad, racist or any other negative label. We all make mistakes and we all have bad days.

What I think many of us fail to understand is that when you are young and/or poor (regardless of race) these "bad" encounters are more frequent. The abuses of power are more likely. Race of the cop doesn't matter either. Most poor people would probably tell you that they have been abused by more cops who look like them than ones that don't.

How do you change this? I don't have a clue. People with power will do stupid shit and people without power love challenging authority. I believe having more cops work in the community they live with could help. You are more likely to respect your neighbor. You're also more likely to give your neighbor the benefit of the doubt. More community outreach is also needed.


As you know Nas I don't take a particularly dim view of the police. I have had Police stop me while driving in Lombard . Back in the day they pulled me out of Motel in Matteson (guess you could call it fucking while black) after running my plates in the parking lot and discovering that a guy whose name sounded like mine had a warrant on him. I provided i.d. which proved that I was not the guy that they were looking for and they still took me into the station for processing. Said my driver's license was probably fake.

There have been other incidents as well. Still doesn't dim my view of the police. I do think that they need to be held accountable when they screw up and it seems that too often they aren't.

I grew up less than a half of block away from a police station. Never really had much of an adversarial relationship with them as a child.

When they screw up they have to be held accountable. That's what people are mad about.

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LTG, the guy is in jail. He's booked for murder charges, that's pretty fucking serious stuff. His life as he knew it is over.


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When all else fails start locating random people on Twitter in order to promote the notion of widespread "hysteria"

Governor of Mississippi Celebrates the Racist Past of the South and its considered no big deal.

https://chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=121103


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Happy Confederate History month.


Cities are up in flames all over the country because of the lie that it's open season on black people. The Confederacy has nothing to do with it. When it comes to black white interracial violence it is 93 percent black people attacking white people. So let's so the bullshit with they are hunting us that is promoted in the media everyday.

Table 14 in this report.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf


Did you even attempt to read the data from the link you posted or even the table that you highlight?

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LTG, the guy is in jail. He's booked for murder charges, that's pretty fucking serious stuff. His life as he knew it is over.


No the guy he killed life is over. He has been charged. He hasn't been convicted of anything. We will see how the trial goes.

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So what, there should just be riots and looting every day until this guy's trail is over?


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So what, there should just be riots and looting every day until this guy's trail is over?


This too shall pass and FWIW I don't agree with rioting. However aren't you Mr. Radicalized? Or is that reserved only for select members of society?


Don't tell me you are actually appalled by a simple "injustice"? Who knew?

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So what, there should just be riots and looting every day until this guy's trail is over?


This too shall pass and FWIW I don't agree with rioting. However aren't you Mr. Radicalized? Or is that reserved only for select members of society?

Don't tell me you are actually appalled by a simple "injustice"? Who knew?

I agree that it will pass, tonight will probably be the night it kinda peters out. The military is scary looking, way scarier looking than the police. Their presence alone will calm it all down.

But no, I'm definitely not Mr. Radicalized. I see the value in our institutions and I think they should be upheld, the failings of America come from the poor quality of the people who call themselves Americans. It is a bottom-up rot.


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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
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When all else fails start locating random people on Twitter in order to promote the notion of widespread "hysteria"

Governor of Mississippi Celebrates the Racist Past of the South and its considered no big deal.

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=121103


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Happy Confederate History month.


Cities are up in flames all over the country because of the lie that it's open season on black people. The Confederacy has nothing to do with it. When it comes to black white interracial violence it is 93 percent black people attacking white people. So let's so the bullshit with they are hunting us that is promoted in the media everyday.

Table 14 in this report.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf



You're just misquoting statistics again.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... able-3.xls

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I am just glad nothing bad happened at the White House last night. It was looking like it was getting out of control for a little bit.

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Despite her protestations of outrage over George Floyd's murder by her husband, assume this is motivated by the desire to protect the couple's assets from the inevitable civil judgment for wrongful death that will be lodged against pig fucker's ex:

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Despite her protestations of outrage over George Floyd's murder by her husband, assume this is motivated by the desire to protect the couple's assets from the inevitable civil judgment for wrongful death that will be lodged against pig fucker's ex:

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How many trains did he make her take? God help him if Floyd ever fucked her, no jury will ever acquit.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:

It's not entirely about how swiftly someone was charged. It's about people being tired of it happening.


If this is truly the case there will be rioting until the end of time. There is no way you can stop people from making bad decisions or expect them to make the correct choice every time . So then it has to go back about being satisfied that the police are charged with the crime, terminated, and the case to go through the court system and whatever the result ends up being, it is.


Angry people don't always think rationally. Most of the time people just want to feel like they're being heard.

Then what, outside of firing, charging and arresting the officer can be done to make people think theyre being heard ? They can put him and the next 25 cops who do this in jail and the 26th time it happens, there will be rioting.


I'm not going to pretend that I have the answers because I don't. I think mutual respect is required.

Everyone of us will likely encounter an asshole cop a couple of times in our lives regardless of your economic status. Those experiences don't make all/most cops bad, racist or any other negative label. We all make mistakes and we all have bad days.

What I think many of us fail to understand is that when you are young and/or poor (regardless of race) these "bad" encounters are more frequent. The abuses of power are more likely. Race of the cop doesn't matter either. Most poor people would probably tell you that they have been abused by more cops who look like them than ones that don't.

How do you change this? I don't have a clue. People with power will do stupid shit and people without power love challenging authority. I believe having more cops work in the community they live with could help. You are more likely to respect your neighbor. You're also more likely to give your neighbor the benefit of the doubt. More community outreach is also needed.


As you know Nas I don't take a particularly dim view of the police. I have had Police stop me while driving in Lombard . Back in the day they pulled me out of Motel in Matteson (guess you could call it fucking while black) after running my plates in the parking lot and discovering that a guy whose name sounded like mine had a warrant on him. I provided i.d. which proved that I was not the guy that they were looking for and they still took me into the station for processing. Said my driver's license was probably fake.

There have been other incidents as well. Still doesn't dim my view of the police. I do think that they need to be held accountable when they screw up and it seems that too often they aren't.

I grew up less than a half of block away from a police station. Never really had much of an adversarial relationship with them as a child.

When they screw up they have to be held accountable. That's what people are mad about.


I'm with you. I believe people in power need to be held accountable when they fuck up. That gives people faith in the system.

I had a shitload of bad experiences or witnessed bad cops in action a lot as a kid. Having a cop make you pull down your boxers and show him your genitals and then spread your ass cheeks isn’t exactly a humanizing experience. Seeing cop/detectives get out of a car and immediately slap, punch or choke the shit out of someone was an almost daily experience as a teenager. I learned that and other things were illegal in my mid 20's. My first experience of racism came from a cop at 10 years old.

I was fortunate in many ways though. While I witnessed a lot of physical abuse as a kid, I can probably count on 1 hand the number of times I experienced it in any way. I grew up in a "Yes, Ma'am and Yes, Sir" household and I used that with the perfect tone every time I encountered an officer as a kid. I think it worked for me. Underage drinking at a park with someone's daughter would just get my alcohol tossed in the garbage but would be allowed to drive away. Being in the wrong place I would get told to go home. There had to have been divine intervention a few times.

As an adult I have been fortunate too. As a young adult I would get stopped because of the car I was driving but that was as bad as it got for the most part. In the past decade I got stopped for DWB is a suburb, but I guess my JORR approved sport coat made the officer tell me to "Have a good night" when he walked up to my door. Had a cop thank me for being a responsible gun owner after not giving me a ticket for a brake light being out. Ran a red light last year with a cop behind me and they just pulled up on the side of me as I mouthed an apology.

I move around enough to still see asshole cops interact with others. I think most of the asshole cops are young now. What's being taught or promised for them to behave that way?

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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:



I used to love him. If he spoke, I would sit down and listen.

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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:




You and Brother West are a step behind. The latest narrative is that the people in the street are white supremacists.

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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:




You and Brother West are a step behind. The latest narrative is that the people in the street are white supremacists.


That's all you got out of that clip?

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Despite her protestations of outrage over George Floyd's murder by her husband, assume this is motivated by the desire to protect the couple's assets from the inevitable civil judgment for wrongful death that will be lodged against pig fucker's ex:

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How many trains did he make her take? God help him if Floyd ever fucked her, no jury will ever acquit.

Damn...he was doing well for himself.


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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:




You and Brother West are a step behind. The latest narrative is that the people in the street are white supremacists.


That's all you got out of that clip?


i watched the whole thing when it was live. That isn't my point. We're now being informed that it isn't actually outraged black people taking to the streets but white supremacist outside agitators.





They don't stop to think how disrespectful this is to the people who are actually in the street seeking justice, the people West was referencing. It's just another shitty misplaced #RESISTANCE narrative. Vote Biden!


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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


Cooper asked some tough questions there which forced West to really hone his argument, to be precise and not paint in enormous generalities. Hats off to AC.


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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


This basically boils down to "we need more money or we're gonna revolt", but that doesn't hold water. These people dont need more money, more money would not really improve their lives.

The median income of "lower income" Americans is $25,000 a year (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/28/how-muc ... earns.html). That's more than the overall median income in Spain, Finland, Czech Republic and Italy and about on par with Belgium. It is double the overall median income of Lithuania, Hungary and Estonia. I have been to all of these countries except Estonia and Finland and I can speak from experience they are all about the same from a cost-of-living perspective as America, if not more expensive (Belgium especially). So lower-class Americans are STILL making more money than the middle class around the world, and they need more? They feel left behind?

This ridiculous class warfare nonsense needs to stop. It is irresponsible to spread it.


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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


Cooper asked some tough questions there which forced West to really hone his argument, to be precise and not paint in enormous generalities. Hats off to AC.


What are the "enormous generalities" that make you so uncomfortable? Please be precise and hone your argument.

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LTG, the guy is in jail. He's booked for murder charges, that's pretty fucking serious stuff. His life as he knew it is over.

And if someone hadn’t recorded the murder he’d still be patrolling the streets. That’s the real problem. Even if a 1/2 dozen people witnessed it happen and complained to the police the official story would still be he died while resisting arrest and that would be the end of it.

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Tall Midget wrote:
tommy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


Cooper asked some tough questions there which forced West to really hone his argument, to be precise and not paint in enormous generalities. Hats off to AC.


What are the "enormous generalities" that make you so uncomfortable? Please be precise and hone your argument.

Start with the first thing he said: This was a lynching.

Um, no. It wasn't.


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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 3:34 pm 
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Antarctica wrote:
LTG, the guy is in jail. He's booked for murder charges, that's pretty fucking serious stuff. His life as he knew it is over.

And if someone hadn’t recorded the murder he’d still be patrolling the streets. That’s the real problem. Even if a 1/2 dozen people witnessed it happen and complained to the police the official story would still be he died while resisting arrest and that would be the end of it.

I used to roll my eyes when people talked about those apps which would instantly upload an encounter with the cops (or any encounter, I guess), but now I'm kind of like . . . it might be a good idea to have one of those, despite privacy and context concerns.


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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
LTG, the guy is in jail. He's booked for murder charges, that's pretty fucking serious stuff. His life as he knew it is over.

And if someone hadn’t recorded the murder he’d still be patrolling the streets. That’s the real problem. Even if a 1/2 dozen people witnessed it happen and complained to the police the official story would still be he died while resisting arrest and that would be the end of it.


So now even swift justice isn't enough.

Looks like the civil protestors are at it again downtown.

Soros paid operatives destroying things. Or maybe these are the black white supremacists. Hard to tell.

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tommy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
tommy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


Cooper asked some tough questions there which forced West to really hone his argument, to be precise and not paint in enormous generalities. Hats off to AC.


What are the "enormous generalities" that make you so uncomfortable? Please be precise and hone your argument.

Start with the first thing he said: This was a lynching.

Um, no. It wasn't.


So that's your point? You disagree with West's use of the term "lynching"? Do you also disagree with the belief that this incident was racially charged? How should West have described this incident to suit you?

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Tall Midget wrote:
tommy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
tommy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


Cooper asked some tough questions there which forced West to really hone his argument, to be precise and not paint in enormous generalities. Hats off to AC.


What are the "enormous generalities" that make you so uncomfortable? Please be precise and hone your argument.

Start with the first thing he said: This was a lynching.

Um, no. It wasn't.


So that's your point? You disagree with West's use of the term "lynching"? Do you also disagree with the belief that this incident was racially charged? How should West have described this incident to suit you?


What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?

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