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So people were just looking for an excuse to go crazy, and George Floyd gave them that reason.

That's honest at least.

Thanks for that.


Bingo. Nothing wrong with protesting, but rioting is another story.

Unless protesting involves taking a knee. Then it’s an affront to America.

Well, a lot of people place tremendous value on hearing the anthem before games. It's something many people value. Kap was fully aware of this. He even began kneeling out of respect (rather than sitting down).

This should have been a win-win for American culture.


A win-win? What kind of message is: we don't have to change you have to change. We are separate from the rest of you. The anthem is meant to bring people together. To reject the brotherhood of American citizenship and tell an outright lie like the police are targeting black men for death does far more damage than good. That lie is why cities around the country are burning.

Win-win. Means we have room for lots of people to express their opinions.

The anthem brings people together. I mentioned that people value the anthem. Some value it for the ability to bring us together, some to remind us of the political and cultural values that allow for dissent.

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It's a shame Chicago's mayor is nowhere to be found.

Maybe it'll be later today since there's large crowds not social distancing on Lake Shore Drive.

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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


Cooper asked some tough questions there which forced West to really hone his argument, to be precise and not paint in enormous generalities. Hats off to AC.


What are the "enormous generalities" that make you so uncomfortable? Please be precise and hone your argument.

Start with the first thing he said: This was a lynching.

Um, no. It wasn't.


So that's your point? You disagree with West's use of the term "lynching"? Do you also disagree with the belief that this incident was racially charged? How should West have described this incident to suit you?


What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?
I think the general feeling is that your scenario wouldn’t have ended the same way.

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LTG, the guy is in jail. He's booked for murder charges, that's pretty fucking serious stuff. His life as he knew it is over.

And if someone hadn’t recorded the murder he’d still be patrolling the streets. That’s the real problem. Even if a 1/2 dozen people witnessed it happen and complained to the police the official story would still be he died while resisting arrest and that would be the end of it.

I used to roll my eyes when people talked about those apps which would instantly upload an encounter with the cops (or any encounter, I guess), but now I'm kind of like . . . it might be a good idea to have one of those, despite privacy and context concerns.


Yeah it seems like nothing will happen unless something is recorded.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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This is one of the more remarkable moments in the history of cable television:

"It looks as if the system cannot reform itself. We tried black faces in high places. We got a neofascist gangster in the White House....We got a neoliberal wing of the Democratic party that's in the driver's seat now with the collapse of Brother Bernie, and they don't know what to do either except show more black faces, show more black faces. But often times these black faces are losing legitimacy too...."

Cornel West on the crisis of American institutional legitimacy:


Cooper asked some tough questions there which forced West to really hone his argument, to be precise and not paint in enormous generalities. Hats off to AC.


What are the "enormous generalities" that make you so uncomfortable? Please be precise and hone your argument.

Start with the first thing he said: This was a lynching.

Um, no. It wasn't.


So that's your point? You disagree with West's use of the term "lynching"? Do you also disagree with the belief that this incident was racially charged? How should West have described this incident to suit you?


What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?


Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?

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What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?
I think the general feeling is that your scenario wouldn’t have ended the same way.


That is the feeling. It's not based in fact though. Cops kill white people in handcuffs too. Remember Tony Timpa? The media doesn't sell the story the same way. They can't.

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It's a shame Chicago's mayor is nowhere to be found.

Maybe it'll be later today since there's large crowds not social distancing on Lake Shore Drive.


Leave it to the professionals like General Sherman
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Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?


As a rule, no

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That is the feeling. It's not based in fact though. Cops kill white people in handcuffs too. Remember Tony Timpa? The media doesn't sell the story the same way. They can't.



Duncan Lemp isn't on anybody's radar as far as I can tell.

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You and Brother West are a step behind. The latest narrative is that the people in the street are white supremacists.


Who do you think was behind it?
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What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?
I think the general feeling is that your scenario wouldn’t have ended the same way.


That is the feeling. It's not based in fact though. Cops kill white people in handcuffs too. Remember Tony Timpa? The media doesn't sell the story the same way. They can't.


Aren't blacks something like 3 times more likely to die in police custody than whites?

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Tall Midget wrote:
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What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?


Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?

Penetrating question! :lol: So, do you think the other posters here are fourth-graders?
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Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?


As a rule, no


Why are blacks more likely to die in police custody then?

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It's a shame Chicago's mayor is nowhere to be found.

Maybe it'll be later today since there's large crowds not social distancing on Lake Shore Drive.


Leave it to the professionals like General Sherman

I wish I still had my Sherman mult....lost the password....
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What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?


Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?

Penetrating question! :lol: So, do you think the other posters here are fourth-graders?


I'm not sure what you mean. Terry's Peeps says the cops treat blacks and whites the same. Are you calling him a 4th grader?

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
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What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?


Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?

Penetrating question! :lol: So, do you think the other posters here are fourth-graders?


I'm not sure what you mean. Terry's Peeps says the cops treat blacks and whites the same. Are you calling him a 4th grader?


No he doesn't.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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tommy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?


Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?

Penetrating question! :lol: So, do you think the other posters here are fourth-graders?


I'm not sure what you mean. Terry's Peeps says the cops treat blacks and whites the same. Are you calling him a 4th grader?


No he doesn't.


My bad.

So police treat blacks differently than whites, blacks are more likely to die in police custody than whites, but race wasn't a factor in this case? Is that your argument?

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What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?
I think the general feeling is that your scenario wouldn’t have ended the same way.


That is the feeling. It's not based in fact though. Cops kill white people in handcuffs too. Remember Tony Timpa? The media doesn't sell the story the same way. They can't.


Aren't blacks something like 3 times more likely to die in police custody than whites?


I'm not sure of the exact numbers. The data isn't compehensive. Some jurisdictions don't even report: https://journalistsresource.org/studies ... ed-states/

I would argue one is one too many. And there seems to be a disparity. But I think if you look at the numbers you'll see it isn't exactly the epidemic the coverage would suggest.

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Truly un amazing that now white supremacist rioters is the new new narrative. Dese guys think we are stupid. Well, OK, their audience is stupid.

Can not let Antifa/Creamer/Soros be blamed.
Now why is Antifa a protected minority? Why?

Only Trump can save us. Of the two parties putting up a candidate for POTUS, only one party can put down Antifa and it ain't their paymasters, the Democrat Party.

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How many people die in police custody a year?
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
tommy wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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What made it racially charged other than the respective races on those involved?

Would it have been less bad had it been a white officer and a white victim?


Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?

Penetrating question! :lol: So, do you think the other posters here are fourth-graders?


I'm not sure what you mean. Terry's Peeps says the cops treat blacks and whites the same. Are you calling him a 4th grader?


No he doesn't.


My bad.

So police treat blacks differently than whites, blacks are more likely to die in police custody than whites, but race wasn't a factor in this case? Is that your argument?

Who is arguing that?
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TM, my only argument was against the use of the word lynching.

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Tuned in to see what's the coverage and see Chicago got into the act.
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?


As a rule, no


Why are blacks more likely to die in police custody then?


Poor diet and lack of access to quality health care

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Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?


As a rule, no


Why are blacks more likely to die in police custody then?
Where did this statistic come from?
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?


As a rule, no


Why are blacks more likely to die in police custody then?


Poor diet and lack of access to quality health care

What the hell do you know about police custody?

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chaspoppcap wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
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Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?


As a rule, no


Why are blacks more likely to die in police custody then?


Poor diet and lack of access to quality health care


Try again.

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Tall Midget wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?


As a rule, no


Why are blacks more likely to die in police custody then?


Poor diet and lack of access to quality health care

What the hell do you know about police custody?


Are you serious?

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There aren't really stats for this. When TM says more blacks die in police custody that's made up nonsense. The FBI doesn't tally it.
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
Do you think blacks are treated the same as whites by police?


As a rule, no


Why are blacks more likely to die in police custody then?


Poor diet and lack of access to quality health care


Exacty. all the guy had 2 do was cal the number on his Obamacare card when his neck was bein squishd. Fukin libtards and there fox care for blacks.

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Tuned in to see what's the coverage and see Chicago got into the act.


Groot and fatboy nowhere to be seen. So how long until the new Police Sup gets thrown under the bus and given his walking papers?

Trump does have one thing kinda of correct. Where was the DC police last night at the White House. They where nowhere to be seen

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