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Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?

well he's dark so he must have done something to deserve it in JLN's mind

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Peoria Matt wrote:
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Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?
Oh Jesus Christ. The guy is clearly resisting arrest, refusing to put either arm behind his back.


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Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?

well he's dark so he must have done something to deserve it in JLN's mind
You never answered me before: Between you and me, which one of us first advocated on here to repeal qualified immunity for police officers?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
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Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?
Oh Jesus Christ. The guy is clearly resisting arrest, refusing to put either arm behind his back.


You're trolling, right?


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
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Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?
Oh Jesus Christ. The guy is clearly resisting arrest, refusing to put either arm behind his back.

They should have shot him.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Peoria Matt wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?
Oh Jesus Christ. The guy is clearly resisting arrest, refusing to put either arm behind his back.


You're trolling, right?
You honestly cannot tell that the guy is at the absolute very least resisting having his right arm put behind his back for the entirety of the video?


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Peoria Matt wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?
Oh Jesus Christ. The guy is clearly resisting arrest, refusing to put either arm behind his back.


You're trolling, right?

Honestly, he might have done something before this that made their actions called for. I watched it but didn't read the comments, so I do not know what the context was. It looks pretty bad, though, especially right now.


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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D.C. had no problems last night. Many arrests. Great job done by all. Overwhelming force. Domination. Likewise, Minneapolis was great (thank you President Trump!).

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?
Oh Jesus Christ. The guy is clearly resisting arrest, refusing to put either arm behind his back.

How many punches to the back of a suspect already on the ground are allowed?

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Is nobody else willing to apply even the tiniest amount of skepticism to this?


Cop at the beginning tells him to put his hands back (or up, not sure) while his partner is kneeling on his other arm. Same thing happens at the end of the video while his partner continues to punch him.

WTF is there to be skeptical about?
Oh Jesus Christ. The guy is clearly resisting arrest, refusing to put either arm behind his back.

How many punches to the back of a suspect already on the ground are allowed?
How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?
How long does a suspect get to resist lawful arrest?


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?
How long does a suspect get to resist lawful arrest?
I will answer that question as soon as you answer mine.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?
How long does a suspect get to resist lawful arrest?
I will answer that question as soon as you answer mine.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?
How long does a suspect get to resist lawful arrest?


His left arm is being kneeled on THE ENTIRE VIDEO. He fights with his right arm for about 30 seconds then the cop is just holding it while the guy is being punched repeatedly in the back.


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And Twitter has now deleted the account that posted that. Interesting.



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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?
How long does a suspect get to resist lawful arrest?
I will answer that question as soon as you answer mine.
I can't put a number on how many blows are allowed, every situation is different. Generally speaking, though, I think officers are allowed to reasonably escalate the use of force to effectuate the arrest of a resisting suspect—and who knows, maybe striking the guy's shoulder isn't actually an escalation of force from wrenching on his arm. This doesn't mean that they can just start wailing on a guy's skull, but strikes to the areas of the body the suspect is using to resist (legs kicking, arms flailing, hands clutching, etc.) seems reasonable to bring about the arrest

Now, how long does someone get to resist arrest? Forever?


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?
How long does a suspect get to resist lawful arrest?


what a bad take


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Peoria Matt wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?
How long does a suspect get to resist lawful arrest?


His left arm is being kneeled on THE ENTIRE VIDEO. He fights with his right arm for about 30 seconds then the cop is just holding it while the guy is being punched repeatedly in the back.
That took way too long. Thank you for agreeing with me that he was resisting arrest. You can go.


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
How long should a suspect be allowed to resist lawful arrest?
You didn't answer the question. Is the standard so low that we think it's alright for a police officer to repeatedly punch a suspect in the back who is laying on the ground?
How long does a suspect get to resist lawful arrest?


His left arm is being kneeled on THE ENTIRE VIDEO. He fights with his right arm for about 30 seconds then the cop is just holding it while the guy is being punched repeatedly in the back.
That took way too long. Thank you for agreeing with me that he was resisting arrest. You can go.


If you can work on a good chicago cop accent you could be the CPD union lawyer who defended jason van dyke. fulfill your aspirations to be a lawyer.. i doubt that guy is a real lawyer


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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This is, or was, my wife's cousin's husband family business on the Mag Mile. His father started it as a cart outside of Comiskey late 80s and it grew from there. They've been closed since March, were stocked with brand new inventory ready to open up in a few days, and now this is what's left.

This is the story for hundreds if not thousands of mom and pop businesses across the nation. I wonder if the people who looted then burned this family owned business knew who George Floyd was. Given what I have heard and read about the man, he didn't stand for this.

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D.C. had no problems last night. Many arrests. Great job done by all. Overwhelming force. Domination. Likewise, Minneapolis was great (thank you President Trump!).

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This is, or was, my wife's cousin's husband family business on the Mag Mile. His father started it as a cart outside of Comiskey late 80s and it grew from there. They've been closed since March, were stocked with brand new inventory ready to open up in a few days, and now this is what's left.

This is the story for hundreds if not thousands of mom and pop businesses across the nation. I wonder if the people who looted then burned this family owned business knew who George Floyd was. Given what I have heard and read about the man, he didn't stand for this.

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George Floyd held a women a gunpoint and burglarized her. Let's not go making him out to be some sort of saint, the guy was a career criminal and convicted violent offender. Didn't need to die the way he did, but acting like he's some angel looking down on us is hilarious.


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Clearly I made him a saint. If that's what you took out of my post there, eat an entire bag of dicks.

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This is, or was, my wife's cousin's husband family business on the Mag Mile. His father started it as a cart outside of Comiskey late 80s and it grew from there. They've been closed since March, were stocked with brand new inventory ready to open up in a few days, and now this is what's left.

This is the story for hundreds if not thousands of mom and pop businesses across the nation. I wonder if the people who looted then burned this family owned business knew who George Floyd was. Given what I have heard and read about the man, he didn't stand for this.

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Who cares Frank ? It’s insured

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This is, or was, my wife's cousin's husband family business on the Mag Mile. His father started it as a cart outside of Comiskey late 80s and it grew from there. They've been closed since March, were stocked with brand new inventory ready to open up in a few days, and now this is what's left.

This is the story for hundreds if not thousands of mom and pop businesses across the nation. I wonder if the people who looted then burned this family owned business knew who George Floyd was. Given what I have heard and read about the man, he didn't stand for this.

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i'm sure they all have insurance. they'll be fine


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Clearly I made him a saint. If that's what you took out of my post there, eat an entire bag of dicks.

Well you said he wouldn't have stood for this and, in fact, he kinda did.


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I can't put a number on how many blows are allowed, every situation is different. Generally speaking, though, I think officers are allowed to reasonably escalate the use of force to effectuate the arrest of a resisting suspect—and who knows, maybe striking the guy's shoulder isn't actually an escalation of force from wrenching on his arm. This doesn't mean that they can just start wailing on a guy's skull, but strikes to the areas of the body the suspect is using to resist (legs kicking, arms flailing, hands clutching, etc.) seems reasonable to bring about the arrest
So punching a suspect in the back who is already on the ground and is causing no threat to you is ok.

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Now, how long does someone get to resist arrest? Forever?
A suspect shouldn't resist arrest.

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i'm sure they all have insurance. they'll be fine
It's a write off for them!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I can't put a number on how many blows are allowed, every situation is different. Generally speaking, though, I think officers are allowed to reasonably escalate the use of force to effectuate the arrest of a resisting suspect—and who knows, maybe striking the guy's shoulder isn't actually an escalation of force from wrenching on his arm. This doesn't mean that they can just start wailing on a guy's skull, but strikes to the areas of the body the suspect is using to resist (legs kicking, arms flailing, hands clutching, etc.) seems reasonable to bring about the arrest
So punching a suspect in the back who is already on the ground and is causing no threat to you is ok.
I think officers are allowed to reasonably escalate the use of force to effectuate the arrest of a resisting suspect.

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Now, how long does someone get to resist arrest? Forever?
A suspect shouldn't resist arrest.

Rick I didn't ask whether someone should resist arrest, my question presupposed resisting arrest. How long does someone get to resist lawful arrest before extra force is acceptable in completing said arrest?


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