That link you provided is written in some bizarre english/german hybrid language where half the words aren't spelled right in either language. Where did you find that?

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

And here is why its a worthless comparison. Belgium only has 11 million people in the entire country.

THE U.S. has 40-50 million people living at or below the poverty line alone.

You don't compare countries the size of Belgium with a country the size of the U.S. on anything. Too much of a discrepancy.

You do know that if you instead want to compare the USA to Brazil, Nigeria, Pakistan and Indonesia your argument will look even weaker?

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

1. The typical poor household, as defined by the government, has a car and air conditioning, two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR.

2. By its own report, the typical poor family was not hungry, was able to obtain medical care when needed.

3.The typical average poor American has more living space in his home than the average (non-poor) European has.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

You wont find a country of the USA's size, even close to the USA's size, with anywhere near the median income of America. Japan's about the nearest comp there is, but they are much smaller than the USA and make quite a bit less money on average.

Yeah I posted a detailed report on that a few years ago. And the entire so called decline of the middle class is because of a large increase in the upper middle class.

There is much higher levels of inequality here (gini coefficient), and we have a larger lower class. But on balance, Americans are way better off than the rest of the developed world. Meaning, the median American is better off than the median European.

You wont find a country of the USA's size, even close to the USA's size, with anywhere near the median income of America. Japan's about the nearest comp there is, but they are much smaller than the USA and make quite a bit less money on average.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Japan's per capita Income is $45,000 per year
U.S. Per Capita is at $30,000 per year.
Black per capita income U.S. $16,000 per year.

You're using different figures. My guess is you are looking at PPP per capita for Japan and something else for the USA. I know the USA's PPP per capita is over $60k/year at this point.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You're using different figures. My guess is you are looking at PPP per capita for Japan and something else for the USA. I know the USA's PPP per capita is over $60k/year at this point.

I dont even know what GNL is.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

What happens after high school? 21% of whites end up successfully completing a college degree, compared to only 13% of blacks. But even if they achieve that milestone, the payoff is nowhere near the same. A white family at the median sees a return of approximately $56,000 after completing a four-year degree; a black family sees a return of around $4,900. In fact, “black household wealth is just over the median wealth of an adult” in the Palestinian territories, which is not a comparison you want to see made about any group living in America in 2015. Looking at GDP per capita, blacks make $23,000 compared to the U.S. national average of $53,000. If black America really were its own country, it would be ranked 44th globally on that figure—between crisis-hit Portugal and post-Communist Lithuania The most damning statistic? The median black household has just 6 percent of the total wealth ($7,113) that the median white household has ($111,146).

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Gni

Which according to Wikipedia is over $60,000 in the USA, not $30k.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... I_(nominal)_per_capita#:~:text=The%20GNI%20per%20capita%20is,income%20of%20a%20country's%20citizens.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Some of those numbers are getting crossed but look at the citation above. If you don't think poverty isn't a problem then you aren't paying attention.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

Generally speaking if you're poor in America, its your own damn fault. There's ample opportunity and money floating around, people who cant be fucked to go out and just grab some of it are doing so out of their own choice. It certainly isn't the government's fault, or businesses fault, or white people's fault, or whatever.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

When you say thinks like this it's just preaching rather than having a productive discussion. A problem how and in regards to what? We are looking at the numbers here.

What problem are you saying poverty causes?

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

It did. A recent study from economists at Columbia broke down changes in poverty before and after the government gets involved in the form of taxes and transfers, and found that, when you take government intervention into account, poverty is down considerably from 1967 to 2012, from 26 percent to 16 percent:

Image without a caption
While that doesn't allow us to see how poverty changed between the start of the war in 1964 and the start of the data in 1967, the most noticeable trend here is that the gap between before-government and after-government poverty just keeps growing. In fact, without government programs, poverty would have actually increased over the period in question. Government action is literally the only reason we have less poverty in 2012 than we did in 1967.

What's more, we can directly attribute this to programs created or expanded during the war on poverty. In 2012, food stamps (since renamed Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP) alone kept 4 million people out of poverty:

If you measure poverty properly, which is only now being done, you find that the poverty rate has fallen pretty dramatically since the middle of the nineteen-sixties. Indeed, according to an important new study by a group of economists at Columbia University, it has dropped by forty per cent. The main driver of this fall, in fact, has been the very type of anti-poverty programs that L.B.J. championed: food stamps and housing subsidies, Social Security and Medicare, and generous income subsidies, in the form of tax credits, for the low-paid.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Seem almost linear like inflation.

I just provided numbers and you ignored them. How is that being "productive"
Avarice for one. Hunger for 2. Homelessness for 3.

For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.

There were a lot of numbers provided. I don't any number provided proves the bolded points.

1. Avarice is not caused by poverty. There it's a quality that helps people get rich.

2. Most people who are poor in the US are not going hungry.

3. Most people who are poor in the US are not homeless.

We have substantial programs in place to provide so that people are not homeless or hungry. So what is poverty causing?

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

The poverty rate in the United States fell to 11.8 percent in 2018, according to data released last week by the Census Bureau — the lowest it’s been since 2001. But this estimate significantly understates the extent of economic deprivation in the United States today. Our official poverty line hasn’t kept up with economic change. Nor has it been modified to take into account widely held views among Americans about what counts as “poor.”

A better, more modern measure of poverty would set the threshold at half of median disposable income — that is, median income after taxes and transfers, adjusted for household size, a standard commonly used in other wealthy nations. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development — which includes 34 wealthy democracies — 17.8 percent of Americans were poor according to this standard in 2017, the most recent year available for the United States.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.