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Any consideration for universal pre-K care?


Teaching kids to read before K is very important. Development at three and four is key to getting ahead. All the studies show that.


It used to be the parents job to do that. Or they enrolled them in a park district or day care pre program. For some reason I missed this entire vast scarcity of pre school programs. Or is the word free the issue?

Both parents are working.

My mom was a 3rd grade teacher who gave it up when I was born. Our family room was plastered with reading readiness signs and posters. She never really directly taught me to read, but I was reading Life magazine out loud (and not understanding any of it) before 3.

The more we can pour into those programs, the better the ROI.


I get it. But the day cares have taken the place of pre school. And parents can read with kids in evenings as well. Sometimes it feels to me the big pre K thing is to simply get the kids into free government day care. They don’t even do well enough with k-3 now.


Which is why universal pre-K seems like a viable option. It's not day care it's preschool. This is when kids need structure the most and MANY lack it through no fault of their own.

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SpiralStairs wrote:
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Any consideration for universal pre-K care?


Teaching kids to read before K is very important. Development at three and four is key to getting ahead. All the studies show that.


It used to be the parents job to do that. Or they enrolled them in a park district or day care pre program. For some reason I missed this entire vast scarcity of pre school programs. Or is the word free the issue?

Both parents are working.

My mom was a 3rd grade teacher who gave it up when I was born. Our family room was plastered with reading readiness signs and posters. She never really directly taught me to read, but I was reading Life magazine out loud (and not understanding any of it) before 3.

The more we can pour into those programs, the better the ROI.


I get it. But the day cares have taken the place of pre school. And parents can read with kids in evenings as well. Sometimes it feels to me the big pre K thing is to simply get the kids into free government day care. They don’t even do well enough with k-3 now.


Which is why universal pre-K seems like a viable option. It's not day care it's preschool. This is when kids need structure the most and MANY lack it through no fault of their own.


Pre-K is basically daycare. Montessori schools teach things but they also suck the life out of kids. Kids should get to be kids. We’ve managed to strip them of most of that through everything else we have destroyed in the last 3 decades. Let’s not turn them into robots like Asian countries.


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Call it whatever you want. The idea would be that anyone would have the ability to take their kid there.

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All of this is so stupid. You're about to witness the largest scale divestment from urban poor neighbourhoods since white flight. The police are just going to pull out and once businesses realize that when they call 911 for theft, shoplifting, assault etc. at their stores there will be no police response, they'll leave too. What teacher is going to want to work in a place where a student can assault them without any repercussions for a bad grade?

Yet here you guys are talking about pre-K :lol: the delusion is off the damn charts.


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Call it whatever you want. The idea would be that anyone would have the ability to take their kid there.


Parents don’t need more places to dump their kids. They need more time with them.


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You liberals sure love to socially engineer though, I'll give you that. No idea is too stupid to try.


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Call it whatever you want. The idea would be that anyone would have the ability to take their kid there.


Parents don’t need more places to dump their kids. They need more time with them.

In New Zealand you are taxed the maximum rate on your second job. Its been very successful for them, would love to see it in the USA. It would make people less miserable.


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Call it whatever you want. The idea would be that anyone would have the ability to take their kid there.


Parents don’t need more places to dump their kids. They need more time with them.


What if they both need to work? What if it is a single parent household and that parent needs to work?

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A forty hour week is soul crushing and monotonous but does not leave one without free evenings. If somebody is working sixty hour weeks or whatever, well then I'm really questioning their decision to have a child. At that point it becomes self inflicted and my sympathy evaporates.


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Call it whatever you want. The idea would be that anyone would have the ability to take their kid there.


Parents don’t need more places to dump their kids. They need more time with them.


Amen

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Call it whatever you want. The idea would be that anyone would have the ability to take their kid there.


Parents don’t need more places to dump their kids. They need more time with them.


What if they both need to work? What if it is a single parent household and that parent needs to work?


I understand those needs, but allowing everyone to use it will only cause more problems. The problem with government is every time it tries to solve a problem, it causes 6 more.


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All of this is so stupid. You're about to witness the largest scale divestment from urban poor neighbourhoods since white flight. The police are just going to pull out and once businesses realize that when they call 911 for theft, shoplifting, assault etc. at their stores there will be no police response, they'll leave too. What teacher is going to want to work in a place where a student can assault them without any repercussions for a bad grade?

Yet here you guys are talking about pre-K :lol: the delusion is off the damn charts.


Well the media keeps saying this is about "police brutality".

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. The problem with government is every time it tries to solve a problem, it causes 6 more.


That's the truth.

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Sometimes we should ask about how we can make it that both parents don’t work all the time or always the same time. I am not coming from some religious or moral angle but it’s sad to consider.

I am 53. I guess the generation behind me is the last to have parents home and a decent bungalow life? Now both parents work their ass off to make enough to dump their kids somewhere at 6 months old to pay a giant mortgage.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
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Call it whatever you want. The idea would be that anyone would have the ability to take their kid there.


Parents don’t need more places to dump their kids. They need more time with them.


What if they both need to work? What if it is a single parent household and that parent needs to work?


I understand those needs, but allowing everyone to use it will only cause more problems. The problem with government is every time it tries to solve a problem, it causes 6 more.


What problems are those? If you're that concerned you could means test it.

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Sometimes we should ask about how we can make it that both parents don’t work all the time or always the same time. I am not coming from some religious or moral angle but it’s sad to consider.

I am 53. I guess the generation behind me is the last to have parents home and a decent bungalow life? Now both parents work their ass off to make enough to dump their kids somewhere at 6 months old to pay a giant mortgage.


Both parents are high school grads. Both work retail jobs making 30k-40k per year pre-tax. They have two pre-school aged kids. What does a budget for these people look like in Peoria assuming they rent a two bedroom apartment?

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Notice how the white liberals talk about what the government should. When they say government what they really mean is "other people's money", its $150 a week for pre-K care. Why dont you be the change you want to see in the world? SS writes some faggy post about how depressed he is and how hopeless it all feels. Why dont you go sacrifice on behalf of the black man if it makes you so sad?

Its something you can do starting tomorrow and you dont have to rely on anyone else. With social media I'm sure you'll find PLENTY of takers on your offer.


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SpiralStairs wrote:
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Sometimes we should ask about how we can make it that both parents don’t work all the time or always the same time. I am not coming from some religious or moral angle but it’s sad to consider.

I am 53. I guess the generation behind me is the last to have parents home and a decent bungalow life? Now both parents work their ass off to make enough to dump their kids somewhere at 6 months old to pay a giant mortgage.


Both parents are high school grads. Both work retail jobs making 30k-40k per year pre-tax. They have two pre-school aged kids. What does a budget for these people look like in Peoria assuming they rent a two bedroom apartment?


I don’t live in Peoria but there likely is a community or park district preschool program.

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I apologize but I’m never going to be on the side that government/ school will have my kid for 7am to 4pm age 2-18.

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pittmike wrote:
I apologize but I’m never going to be on the side that government/ school will have my kid for 7am to 4pm age 2-18.


It is not compulsory. It's there if you need it.

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Call it whatever you want. The idea would be that anyone would have the ability to take their kid there.


Parents don’t need more places to dump their kids. They need more time with them.

And cut the time they spend with their phone?


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Cool. No real counter-arguments.

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Snarkily laughs off any criticism of his pie-in-the-sky "just, like, make everything free, man" liberal nonsense and then is going to turn around tomorrow with some weepy post about how sad he is.


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Blago had a nice program for single mothers that could pay 80 bucks or so a week and work full time..the state picked up the tab to the daycare. I don't know if it's around anymore.

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Poverty rate in Minneapolis is 21%

https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-rat ... inneapolis

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Which is why universal pre-K seems like a viable option. It's not day care it's preschool. This is when kids need structure the most and MANY lack it through no fault of their own.
I think a good argument could be made that school should start before Kindergarten but the very concept of universal pre-K is basically free day care. Even at the age of 4, most of the day in preschool is basically just letting them play.

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And this is when a supposed "boom" in the economy was supposed to have been taking place. Pre Coronavirus too.

https://www.payscale.com/career-news/20 ... aying-jobs
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The unemployment rate is at a 50-year low. But that doesn’t mean that workers are thriving. According to a recent analysis from The Brookings Institution, over half of U.S. workers hold low-paying jobs.

Per the report: “…53 million Americans between the ages of 18 to 64—accounting for 44% of all workers—qualify as ‘low-wage.’ Their median hourly wages are $10.22, and median annual earnings are about $18,000.”

Further, the analysis says, over half of those low-wage workers seem likely to stay in low-paying jobs, based on their levels of education

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Which is why universal pre-K seems like a viable option. It's not day care it's preschool. This is when kids need structure the most and MANY lack it through no fault of their own.
I think a good argument could be made that school should start before Kindergarten but the very concept of universal pre-K is basically free day care. Even at the age of 4, most of the day in preschool is basically just letting them play.


You are right. The really funny thing I bowed out of last night is he accepts no counter at all then says there was none. I feel simply looking at this board and seeing that there is a general attitude that public schools are anywhere from bad to horrible to under performing. So giving children for 3 more years on the front end which may be ultimately more important than k-8 should not be dismissed as a concern for many.

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AMC said it wasn't sure it was going to stay in business and is up 6% today :lol:

Seriously, the market just rips. All it does is rip. How you can not make money in this world is beyond me, even if you're poor you can take your damn tax return and buy ETF's with it and make more money in a day watching them boom than you make at Maccas.


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pittmike wrote:
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Which is why universal pre-K seems like a viable option. It's not day care it's preschool. This is when kids need structure the most and MANY lack it through no fault of their own.
I think a good argument could be made that school should start before Kindergarten but the very concept of universal pre-K is basically free day care. Even at the age of 4, most of the day in preschool is basically just letting them play.


You are right. The really funny thing I bowed out of last night is he accepts no counter at all then says there was none. I feel simply looking at this board and seeing that there is a general attitude that public schools are anywhere from bad to horrible to under performing. So giving children for 3 more years on the front end which may be ultimately more important than k-8 should not be dismissed as a concern for many.


I think the benefit is more in the structure that is provided for the kids rather than providing them an "education". BRick is *shudder* right when he says pre-K is basically play, but there is an inherent value provided by structured play. Kids have a place to go during the day while the parents work and parents are saving $1,000 or more per month.

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