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I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

That’s fine shakes but then anytime they legit “ malfunction” as electronic devices are wont to do especially if there is a foot chase or physical altercation , there’ll be accusations of cover ups, etc.



I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired. It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.
"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.

In addition to the night school classes they have to take at Coyne to be able to diagnose and maintain them

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"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.
"Here is this machine that can kill multiple people in just a few seconds with these bullets." Cops seem to have no problem keep that in working order at all times.

And shakes didn't say the cops get fired. He said if the camera is not working, they don't work the streets.

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How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.


And if the cops get a call from a family member they tell them to either call back after his shift or the cop can go to the station to return the call where there will be designated areas where cops don't have to have their cameras on.

Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Man, if you want to sew more contempt for the public from cops this is a really great way to do it.



yes, the rare occasion that a police officer has to drive 10 minutes to the police station to receive a phone call from his wife is an acceptable annoyance to endure in order for the entire society to benefit from body cameras.

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I think you spend more time and money educating the youth in underprivileged areas. As I posted here from Kevin Hart's interview with Joe Rogan, much of what keeps underprivileged youth from achieving things as easily is not just the money they don't have at the moment, it is the guidance. Provide programs that provide such guidance if it is lacking, and you are working on the foundation from the ground-up.

They can also run the cops through monthly psychological screenings. If you do what I said above, I don't think cops need to be taught that much more than they already know, but we can try to weed out the yippie-kai-aye, muthafucka! ones as best we can.

So a police officers starts showing a few mental cracks after enduring a particularly bad month of witnessing the immediate aftermath child sexual abuse and dogfighting. Instead of being able to talk to anyone or work though that, they flunk their monthly psychological examination and are out of a job. Man, these ideas you guys have keep getting better!

I'm also wondering how you all plan on replacing all these cops who you plan on firing (or will quit because its just not worth it to be told exactly where you'll live, having a 24/7 body camera recording every second of your life for public critique and then have monthly psych interviews to prove you can still hold the job)? The infinite supply of people who want to be police officers?

No, maybe they just get a break, with therapy sessions, until they pass the test later on.

An unpaid break and more psychoanalysis from some indoctrinated college leftist who was throwing piss bottles at the cop four weeks at the BLM protest and deep down wants to see police officers off themselves. Sounds great. I'm sure you'll get all the best applicants.


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I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

I'd settle more for them not having off switches at all.

Bathroom breaks ?

Or when taking a call from a family member?

Look we know what Brick and shakes are really saying, they think more draconian demands should punitively placed on cops. Not because it will help serve the public good in any way, but because police are The Enemy and any way to can stick it to the police or stress them out even more than they already are is a laudable idea. That's really what all these ideas are about.


How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

1. The public has no rational interest in the recording of police officer's genitals when they go to the bathroom or get into an argument on the phone with their significant other.

2. Police officers should not be forced to choose gainful employment over having images of their genitals recorded should they need to use the bathroom on duty or sound recorded of their fight with their wife.

3. The threat of having your private moments (genitals, etc.) recorded on media that can be ordered released by your boss or a judge without your consent must certainly be stressful for people who don't want to waive their dicks around in front of cameras for a pathetically small amount of cash.


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"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.
"Here is this machine that can kill multiple people in just a few seconds with these bullets." Cops seem to have no problem keep that in working order at all times.

And shakes didn't say the cops get fired. He said if the camera is not working, they don't work the streets.

He literally said if its not recording then they're fired. Literally what he said.


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That is a frequent cop complaint that is just untrue. As I said, huge swaths of Coplands in this city where they are respected and honored. The northern and northwest border of the city even elects them as alderman.

Not everywhere is Chicago.


Well, apparently its similar in New York as that is the site of Copland. So now we have 2 of the 3 biggest cities in the country solved

Wasn't your original idea to force them out of these few places where they are respected and comfortable, instead requiring them to live where they dont want to live?

Its interesting that people think making police more miserable and dictating more of their off-duty lives will attract more desirable applicants.


Force? I said incentivized and voluntary.

Free land and a home.

The "incentive" will quickly become "not losing your job". The state is not going to buy property for police to live in free of charge then have officers tell them no thanks.


They don't have to buy property:

1) the city has an Affordable program. Developers already are agreeing to develop affordable units all over the city in exchange for greater density in their projects. They would jump at the chance to be able to say that they are developing for cops

2) property escheats back to the state all the time in many different ways. Instead of selling it at the monthly auction, it now becomes part of the program.

It would always be voluntary, contrary to your thoughts. Plenty of young guys would love the opportunity to live in a new construction home free of charge, knowing that their presence alone is going to raise the value of the property on the block and increase their ultimate return

Keep shooting. I have answers for you. The biggest hole in the plan is whether even free housing is going to get them to move. The real kicker is the quality of the local school. Give a guy a free, new built house and a school he can send his kids and that is like 30-50K of extra income per year.

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Antarctica wrote:
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How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.


And if the cops get a call from a family member they tell them to either call back after his shift or the cop can go to the station to return the call where there will be designated areas where cops don't have to have their cameras on.

Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Man, if you want to sew more contempt for the public from cops this is a really great way to do it.



yes, the rare occasion that a police officer has to drive 10 minutes to the police station to receive a phone call from his wife is an acceptable annoyance to endure in order for the entire society to benefit from body cameras.

Or, he can always get a text that is outside the view of the cam. Not too long ago, there was a time where you couldn't reach every single person at every hour of the day, and we did just fine.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
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I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

That’s fine shakes but then anytime they legit “ malfunction” as electronic devices are wont to do especially if there is a foot chase or physical altercation , there’ll be accusations of cover ups, etc.



I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired. It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.
"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.



I'm sure those devices can be made with a sensor that goes off if the camera is off or malfunctioning. If that sensor goes off you immediately tag out and go to the station to get it fixed or replaced.

What's unreasonable about that?

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This is what I am talking about in response to Antarctica saying the police know what gets them in trouble.

They have to be trained to be impervious to verbal insults. That's just part of the job, like a weatherman or tax collector.

You cant expect human beings to weather this for almost a week. Its beyond the capacity to endure.

:lol:

But black people can endure being treated like second class citizens by the cops for decades. FOH with that bullshit and I don't want to hear anymore "liberal males are girls lol" from you after that soft ass excuse

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I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Yes, but those numbers will show less racial bias than perception, so they won't be taken seriously.


I'm not sure that's true but we are moving towards data driven society. I think each of us would find some preconceptions erased by the data.

I don't say by FACTS of course, because stats can also make liars of us all.


I think that much (most?) of the negative feelings toward police by blacks has more to do with "soft" racism (i.e., profiling) vs "hard" (brutality). Whether it was Herb (who grew up in Wheaton) or Anthony Herron (a professional athlete), they talked about their experiences in being treated differently. They weren't victims of racism that would show up in any stats, so that makes it difficult to quantify.


I was thinking about this yesterday a little. It is hard to break anecdotally based perceptions. One incident results in a long held belief, like a celebrity who snubs a fan once or alternatively is really nice to a fan. That is just going to have to happen through hard work and positive interactions.


I disagree. You'll see cops interact with you or your community far more than you will see an athlete or celebrity. You have enough positive interactions or see enough positive police interactions with your community that you'll see that bad experience as isolated.

When you've seen or experienced so much bad it takes time for those wounds to heal. I used to be terrified of getting stopped by the police and I don't scare easily. Now I'm telling my son and daughters that they can't wear certain hairstyles. Not only because I hate them but because I'm worried about how a cop or something may view them when they are with their mother for a weekend.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.
"Here is this machine that can kill multiple people in just a few seconds with these bullets." Cops seem to have no problem keep that in working order at all times.

And shakes didn't say the cops get fired. He said if the camera is not working, they don't work the streets.


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I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired. It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.


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This is what I am talking about in response to Antarctica saying the police know what gets them in trouble.

They have to be trained to be impervious to verbal insults. That's just part of the job, like a weatherman or tax collector.

You cant expect human beings to weather this for almost a week. Its beyond the capacity to endure.

:lol:

But black people can endure being treated like second class citizens by the cops for decades. FOH with that bullshit and I don't want to hear anymore "liberal males are girls lol" from you after that soft ass excuse

I must've missed the part where blacks get bottles of feces thrown at them by police officers to the adoration of a cheering crowd.


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I think you spend more time and money educating the youth in underprivileged areas. As I posted here from Kevin Hart's interview with Joe Rogan, much of what keeps underprivileged youth from achieving things as easily is not just the money they don't have at the moment, it is the guidance. Provide programs that provide such guidance if it is lacking, and you are working on the foundation from the ground-up.

They can also run the cops through monthly psychological screenings. If you do what I said above, I don't think cops need to be taught that much more than they already know, but we can try to weed out the yippie-kai-aye, muthafucka! ones as best we can.

So a police officers starts showing a few mental cracks after enduring a particularly bad month of witnessing the immediate aftermath child sexual abuse and dogfighting. Instead of being able to talk to anyone or work though that, they flunk their monthly psychological examination and are out of a job. Man, these ideas you guys have keep getting better!

I'm also wondering how you all plan on replacing all these cops who you plan on firing (or will quit because its just not worth it to be told exactly where you'll live, having a 24/7 body camera recording every second of your life for public critique and then have monthly psych interviews to prove you can still hold the job)? The infinite supply of people who want to be police officers?

No, maybe they just get a break, with therapy sessions, until they pass the test later on.

An unpaid break and more psychoanalysis from some indoctrinated college leftist who was throwing piss bottles at the cop four weeks at the BLM protest and deep down wants to see police officers off themselves. Sounds great. I'm sure you'll get all the best applicants.

I think it is worth it to spitball and come up with solutions that involve changing the policed as well as the police.

If both sides don't change, there will be no change.

My initial suggestion regarding the youth guidance would be the pillar of the attempt at modifying the root problem. Something causes poverty. It is despair and lack of education, nurturing, and guidance towards a good path. Churches used to serve that function, but the liberal media killed all that and labelled them all as pedophiles, so now we have a predominantly Godless society.

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shakes wrote:
Antarctica wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
shakes wrote:
I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

I'd settle more for them not having off switches at all.

Bathroom breaks ?

Or when taking a call from a family member?

Look we know what Brick and shakes are really saying, they think more draconian demands should punitively placed on cops. Not because it will help serve the public good in any way, but because police are The Enemy and any way to can stick it to the police or stress them out even more than they already are is a laudable idea. That's really what all these ideas are about.


How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

1. The public has no rational interest in the recording of police officer's genitals when they go to the bathroom or get into an argument on the phone with their significant other.

2. Police officers should not be forced to choose gainful employment over having images of their genitals recorded should they need to use the bathroom on duty or sound recorded of their fight with their wife.

3. The threat of having your private moments (genitals, etc.) recorded on media that can be ordered released by your boss or a judge without your consent must certainly be stressful for people who don't want to waive their dicks around in front of cameras for a pathetically small amount of cash.
It seems easier to give them the ability to detach them if they have to use the bathroom so they keep on running in the car.

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This is what I am talking about in response to Antarctica saying the police know what gets them in trouble.

They have to be trained to be impervious to verbal insults. That's just part of the job, like a weatherman or tax collector.

You cant expect human beings to weather this for almost a week. Its beyond the capacity to endure. If you really want cops who can handle this start being more demanding in terms of qualifications, but if you want university grads and qualified people to pick local policing over the FBI you're going to need to pay a ton. And even then, the stigma enforced by this movement makes it so money would have to reach stratospheric levels for MANY to even consider it.

Fact is, the only people looking to be police officers now are people who want to be societal outcasts. Very few people who want to do something positive are going to want a job as thankless as police officer where they endure seeing people at their worst day in, day out while the whole world hates them for it.
I've said for awhile: A world without qualified immunity for police and laws criminalizing police misconduct is one where a beat cop makes as much as a cardiologist.

Ive always thought about this scene from Mulholland Falls , Malkovich and Nolte about this discussion.

Nolte: General, I really don't think much about those things.I'd probably see too much.

Malkovich : What do you see?

Nolte :People dead before their time.

Malkovich: That's the history of the world, Lieutenant.

Some people die before their

time so that others can live.

It's the cornerstone of civilization.

War, religion, democracy.

A hundred die so that

a thousand may live.

Nolte : Well, General, I take 'em one at a time.

Right now I got Allison Pond.

Malkovich : We're not so different, you and I, Lieutenant.

You see, certain men...

A doctor, a national leader,

an officer of the law,

give to society in ways

that most people do not.

In turn, society gives them

certain considerations.

Now, we don't teach this in school.

We don't acknowledge it.

But those who accept the burden of leadership understand they have

these considerations.

You've accepted the burden of

leadership, haven't you, Lieutenant?

Nolte : In what sense, General?

Malkovich : You protect society, the ordinary citizen.

Now, in doing so,

sometimes you may break the law.

You may violate the Constitution,

the Bill of Rights, Search and Seizure.

In fact, it may even be

known that you do so.

And yet, nothing happens,

because it is understood that that

is part of the burden of leadership.

And you accept it.

You accept your sins.

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Imagine having your wife call you to tell you your kid's in the hospital and you have to choose whether to have that conversation recorded for all the public to see whenever they wanted or wait until your shift is over to talk?

Man, if you want to sew more contempt for the public from cops this is a really great way to do it.
In this scenario are you assuming the officer finishes his shift?

Oh damn good point.

Call all the criminals and tell them no crime for the rest of the day, were a little short staffed here at the department.

Are you somehow under the impression that there is a single cop guarding the entire city?

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Police by camera. 5G their faces like China is doing. Automatic arrest for anyone covering their faces.

2020 will go down as the year that Western civilization's thin veneer was scraped right the fuck off.

It looks like the the Chinese have it right. We don't deserve freedom. The right pisses all over it and the left pisses all over it. It appears only a select few should have it. Enjoy your social scores. I'll be ashes.


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This is what I am talking about in response to Antarctica saying the police know what gets them in trouble.

They have to be trained to be impervious to verbal insults. That's just part of the job, like a weatherman or tax collector.

You cant expect human beings to weather this for almost a week. Its beyond the capacity to endure.

:lol:

But black people can endure being treated like second class citizens by the cops for decades. FOH with that bullshit and I don't want to hear anymore "liberal males are girls lol" from you after that soft ass excuse

I must've missed the part where blacks get bottles of feces thrown at them by police officers to the adoration of a cheering crowd.

No, you didn't miss any of the clips of cops doing much worse than that. You just don't give a shit. Fair enough, but be honest at least

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I think one thing that should come out of this is I'd like to see a law passed making it a requirement that cops have their body cameras on and running at all times they are on the clock. If they are caught with the camera turned off or disabled they are fired for cause, plain and simple.

I'd settle more for them not having off switches at all.

Bathroom breaks ?

Or when taking a call from a family member?

Look we know what Brick and shakes are really saying, they think more draconian demands should punitively placed on cops. Not because it will help serve the public good in any way, but because police are The Enemy and any way to can stick it to the police or stress them out even more than they already are is a laudable idea. That's really what all these ideas are about.


How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

1. The public has no rational interest in the recording of police officer's genitals when they go to the bathroom or get into an argument on the phone with their significant other.

2. Police officers should not be forced to choose gainful employment over having images of their genitals recorded should they need to use the bathroom on duty or sound recorded of their fight with their wife.

3. The threat of having your private moments (genitals, etc.) recorded on media that can be ordered released by your boss or a judge without your consent must certainly be stressful for people who don't want to waive their dicks around in front of cameras for a pathetically small amount of cash.


jesus, obsessed with dicks much?


Body cameras face forward, they don't point at your dick. Maybe the cameras have a bathroom mode where you can mute it, but the picture stays so it can be confirmed that you were in a bathroom and not just pretending to be.


Also, being a cop is a privilege, not a right. No one is being forced to do it. if they don't like having to be watched 24x7 then they can find a different job.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:36 am 
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Automatic arrest for anyone covering their faces.

Now this I could get down with

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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I think you spend more time and money educating the youth in underprivileged areas. As I posted here from Kevin Hart's interview with Joe Rogan, much of what keeps underprivileged youth from achieving things as easily is not just the money they don't have at the moment, it is the guidance. Provide programs that provide such guidance if it is lacking, and you are working on the foundation from the ground-up.

They can also run the cops through monthly psychological screenings. If you do what I said above, I don't think cops need to be taught that much more than they already know, but we can try to weed out the yippie-kai-aye, muthafucka! ones as best we can.

So a police officers starts showing a few mental cracks after enduring a particularly bad month of witnessing the immediate aftermath child sexual abuse and dogfighting. Instead of being able to talk to anyone or work though that, they flunk their monthly psychological examination and are out of a job. Man, these ideas you guys have keep getting better!

I'm also wondering how you all plan on replacing all these cops who you plan on firing (or will quit because its just not worth it to be told exactly where you'll live, having a 24/7 body camera recording every second of your life for public critique and then have monthly psych interviews to prove you can still hold the job)? The infinite supply of people who want to be police officers?

No, maybe they just get a break, with therapy sessions, until they pass the test later on.

An unpaid break and more psychoanalysis from some indoctrinated college leftist who was throwing piss bottles at the cop four weeks at the BLM protest and deep down wants to see police officers off themselves. Sounds great. I'm sure you'll get all the best applicants.


I just do not see very many smart good people wanting to be cops. The basic requirement to serve and protect is a noble notion. But when their leaders are jerk-offs like Deblowsio,Lightfoot, and Garcetti, who protects the cops? The rank and file cops have got to be afraid of their own leaders throwing them to the wild dogs and not protecting them. And you have to wonder how many people become cops NOT for noble reasons but for some sinister ones.

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"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.
"Here is this machine that can kill multiple people in just a few seconds with these bullets." Cops seem to have no problem keep that in working order at all times.

And shakes didn't say the cops get fired. He said if the camera is not working, they don't work the streets.


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I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired. It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.


Fucking idiot.


Its obviously a working idea. one post later I clarified that by stating that if the camera stops working they have to immediately return to the station and get it fixed or replaced. But, anyone who stays out in the field with a broken camera and turns it off on purpose would be fired no questions asked.

So Frank was right.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

1. The public has no rational interest in the recording of police officer's genitals when they go to the bathroom or get into an argument on the phone with their significant other.

2. Police officers should not be forced to choose gainful employment over having images of their genitals recorded should they need to use the bathroom on duty or sound recorded of their fight with their wife.

3. The threat of having your private moments (genitals, etc.) recorded on media that can be ordered released by your boss or a judge without your consent must certainly be stressful for people who don't want to waive their dicks around in front of cameras for a pathetically small amount of cash.


jesus, obsessed with dicks much?


Body cameras face forward, they don't point at your dick. Maybe the cameras have a bathroom mode where you can mute it, but the picture stays so it can be confirmed that you were in a bathroom and not just pretending to be.


Also, being a cop is a privilege, not a right. No one is being forced to do it. if they don't like having to be watched 24x7 then they can find a different job.
:lol: "The camera probably wouldn't see their genitals in the bathroom anyways" is one helluva response. You've demonstrated that you are completely unreasonable on this topic.


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Are you somehow under the impression that there is a single cop guarding the entire city?

There will be if you pay people $50,000 a year to be told exactly what house they can live in, have their entire lives recorded in the public domain and then subject them to a psychological torture session once a month.


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There probably is a way where the cameras are turned on any time a cop puts his car's lights on or is otherwise dispatched to a call, and then the camera can only be turned off by somebody at the station who does so only when the call or issue is deemed to be all clear.


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It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.
Which means the cop goes to desk duty or clocks out until his camera is fixed. Of course idiot JLN ignores the valid points that refute his arguments and render him useless as tits on a ball.

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shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.
"Here is this machine that can kill multiple people in just a few seconds with these bullets." Cops seem to have no problem keep that in working order at all times.

And shakes didn't say the cops get fired. He said if the camera is not working, they don't work the streets.


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I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired. It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.


Fucking idiot.


Its obviously a working idea. one post later I clarified that by stating that if the camera stops working they have to immediately return to the station and get it fixed or replaced. But, anyone who stays out in the field with a broken camera and turns it off on purpose would be fired no questions asked.

So Frank was right.
You clearly said what Frank asserted you didn't say. Frank was wrong. Just because later on you uttered other insane things doesn't change the fact that you did indeed say that police should be fired if their body cameras stop working FOR ANY REASON.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
shakes wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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How do body cameras always being on "not serve the public in any way"?

And how is wearing a body camera that is always on punitive?

Why is it stressful for the police to have working body cameras that are always on?

How do body cameras being on hurt the police? If anything it helps them...unless they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.

1. The public has no rational interest in the recording of police officer's genitals when they go to the bathroom or get into an argument on the phone with their significant other.

2. Police officers should not be forced to choose gainful employment over having images of their genitals recorded should they need to use the bathroom on duty or sound recorded of their fight with their wife.

3. The threat of having your private moments (genitals, etc.) recorded on media that can be ordered released by your boss or a judge without your consent must certainly be stressful for people who don't want to waive their dicks around in front of cameras for a pathetically small amount of cash.


jesus, obsessed with dicks much?


Body cameras face forward, they don't point at your dick. Maybe the cameras have a bathroom mode where you can mute it, but the picture stays so it can be confirmed that you were in a bathroom and not just pretending to be.


Also, being a cop is a privilege, not a right. No one is being forced to do it. if they don't like having to be watched 24x7 then they can find a different job.
:lol: "The camera probably wouldn't see their genitals in the bathroom anyways" is one helluva response.

As an Irish white guy , this is unfortunately true :cry: :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
There probably is a way where the cameras are turned on any time a cop puts his car's lights on or is otherwise dispatched to a call, and then the camera can only be turned off by somebody at the station who does so only when the call or issue is deemed to be all clear.


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It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.
Which means the cop goes to desk duty or clocks out until his camera is fixed. Of course idiot JLN ignores the valid points that refute his arguments and render him useless as tits on a ball.
Did shakes say this, Frank:

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I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired.


Am I making up the above quote? Did shakes not type those words?


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