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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?


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This is what I am talking about in response to Antarctica saying the police know what gets them in trouble.

They have to be trained to be impervious to verbal insults. That's just part of the job, like a weatherman or tax collector.

You cant expect human beings to weather this for almost a week. Its beyond the capacity to endure.

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But black people can endure being treated like second class citizens by the cops for decades. FOH with that bullshit and I don't want to hear anymore "liberal males are girls lol" from you after that soft ass excuse

I must've missed the part where blacks get bottles of feces thrown at them by police officers to the adoration of a cheering crowd.


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It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.
Am I making this quote up? Did shakes not say these words?

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This is what I am talking about in response to Antarctica saying the police know what gets them in trouble.

They have to be trained to be impervious to verbal insults. That's just part of the job, like a weatherman or tax collector.

You cant expect human beings to weather this for almost a week. Its beyond the capacity to endure.

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But black people can endure being treated like second class citizens by the cops for decades. FOH with that bullshit and I don't want to hear anymore "liberal males are girls lol" from you after that soft ass excuse

I must've missed the part where blacks get bottles of feces thrown at them by police officers to the adoration of a cheering crowd.


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.
Am I making this quote up? Did shakes not say these words?
That's not an answer to my question. Would you like me to quote your assertion about shakes specifically not saying something, and then give you the quote of shakes saying that exact thing?


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I would like for you to stop being such a dick here and give police the benefit of every doubt in every situation. But that's not possible.

So, be you.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?
He reports back that he is returning to the station because his camera is malfunctioning and he can still do his job on the way back.

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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?
He reports back that he is returning to the station because his camera is malfunctioning and he can still do his job on the way back.

OK but what if the assailant shoots at the cop? Or his victim? Then there's no footage and the whole world is outraged.


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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?


How likely is this scenario? Don't more cops have partners?

My belief is if you want to see something beyond a little class bias, you need to get detectives, gang and tactical units to wear body cameras. Those were the people that I would see as a kid jump out of their cars and choke or bloody someone's mouth and then hop back in their car a few minutes later without making an arrest.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?
He reports back that he is returning to the station because his camera is malfunctioning and he can still do his job on the way back.

OK but what if the assailant shoots at the cop? Or his victim? Then there's no footage and the whole world is outraged.
He reported it was malfunctioning, and we can see on a map he was on the way back that matches up with a timeline that makes sense. However, if you really feel this is an issue, have a police officer with him to get back.

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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Juicy could you please explain to us why reports are saying your hero is backing down about sending in the Marines?

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"Here is this incredibly complicated electronic machine made by the lowest bidder, YOU BETTER HAVE IT IN WORKING ORDER AT ALL TIMES OR YOU'RE FIRED" certainly sounds reasonable.
"Here is this machine that can kill multiple people in just a few seconds with these bullets." Cops seem to have no problem keep that in working order at all times.

And shakes didn't say the cops get fired. He said if the camera is not working, they don't work the streets.


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I would have it be all or nothing. Cops are responsible for their body cameras, if they are off FOR ANY REASON, they are fired. It should be second nature for cops to make sure their cameras are in working order. If they aren't they need to immediately remove themselves from the public and get the camera fixed.


Fucking idiot.


Its obviously a working idea. one post later I clarified that by stating that if the camera stops working they have to immediately return to the station and get it fixed or replaced. But, anyone who stays out in the field with a broken camera and turns it off on purpose would be fired no questions asked.

So Frank was right.
You clearly said what Frank asserted you didn't say. Frank was wrong. Just because later on you uttered other insane things doesn't change the fact that you did indeed say that police should be fired if their body cameras stop working FOR ANY REASON.



WORKING IDEA. Do you understand what that means? You can't practice "gotcha message board shit posting" when someone posting an idea later amends and expands on it. Don't be disingenuous.


I think I've made it pretty clear by now. Only gray area is bathroom breaks, but we're WORKING our way through that as well.

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How likely is this scenario?

Here's the problem with this line of thinking. Over the course of enough time among the million or so American police officers almost any and all scenario will eventually play out. Especially when you factor in the fact that America's crime rates are third-world. That will happen at some point, or at least some variation of it.

Either accept that absolute perfection out of police officers is an unreasonable goal or accept that a higher degree of lawlessness is going to be tolerated. You really cannot have both.


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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?


call it in and keep driving in this 1/1,000,000 scenario. in my scenario it would be illegal for a cop to engage in law enforcement without a working body camera.

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Would a body cam really catch a guy taking a piss? Didn't think they worked like that, unless the officer awkwardly moved his torso to TRY to make that happen.

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Juicy could you please explain to us why reports are saying your hero is backing down about sending in the Marines?
I think that as an expeditionary force, marines aren't necessarily the best choice for peacekeeping in an area.


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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?
He reports back that he is returning to the station because his camera is malfunctioning and he can still do his job on the way back.

OK but what if the assailant shoots at the cop? Or his victim? Then there's no footage and the whole world is outraged.
He reported it was malfunctioning, and we can see on a map he was on the way back that matches up with a timeline that makes sense. However, if you really feel this is an issue, have a police officer with him to get back.

OK what if he's alone? Should he wait for another officer to come escort him back? What if he witnesses something while he's waiting, its not like he slips into a different plane of existence if his camera stops working.

You say this is highly unlikely and you're absolutely right. But its not impossible.


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Would a body cam really catch a guy taking a piss? Didn't think they worked like that, unless the officer awkwardly moved his torso to TRY to make that happen.
Duct tape your phone to your chest, start a video recording and go take a leak. See how you like it.


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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?


call it in and keep driving in this 1/1,000,000 scenario. in my scenario it would be illegal for a cop to engage in law enforcement without a working body camera.

There are over a million police officers in America, so if this truly is a one-in-a-million scenario as you say then it is almost certain that it will play out. And since the stakes are apparently large scale social unrest and rioting for a week you better have an idea for every single possible outcome.


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How likely is this scenario?

Here's the problem with this line of thinking. Over the course of enough time among the million or so American police officers almost any and all scenario will eventually play out. Especially when you factor in the fact that America's crime rates are third-world. That will happen at some point, or at least some variation of it.

Either accept that absolute perfection out of police officers is an unreasonable goal or accept that a higher degree of lawlessness is going to be tolerated. You really cannot have both.
Have a backup camera in the car then. Let him wear that back to the station.

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Imagine a police officer's camera shits out, so he bee-lines it back to the station. On the drive back he witneses somebody committing a sexual assault in an alley...what should he do?


call it in and keep driving in this 1/1,000,000 scenario. in my scenario it would be illegal for a cop to engage in law enforcement without a working body camera.
"Son, mommy was raped because the police body camera developer pushed a firmware update a little too soon." No matter what form it takes, this idea of yours sucks.


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A police officer gets into a physical altercation with a suspect. In the midst of the scuffle the camera is damaged and stops working. The suspect pulls a knife, what should the cop do?


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Nas wrote:
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I do also think it would be good for a release and discussion of the "analytics" of police abuse. I think all of us could use the coolness of the hard numbers behind the rhetoric.


Yes, but those numbers will show less racial bias than perception, so they won't be taken seriously.


I'm not sure that's true but we are moving towards data driven society. I think each of us would find some preconceptions erased by the data.

I don't say by FACTS of course, because stats can also make liars of us all.


I think that much (most?) of the negative feelings toward police by blacks has more to do with "soft" racism (i.e., profiling) vs "hard" (brutality). Whether it was Herb (who grew up in Wheaton) or Anthony Herron (a professional athlete), they talked about their experiences in being treated differently. They weren't victims of racism that would show up in any stats, so that makes it difficult to quantify.


I was thinking about this yesterday a little. It is hard to break anecdotally based perceptions. One incident results in a long held belief, like a celebrity who snubs a fan once or alternatively is really nice to a fan. That is just going to have to happen through hard work and positive interactions.


I disagree. You'll see cops interact with you or your community far more than you will see an athlete or celebrity. You have enough positive interactions or see enough positive police interactions with your community that you'll see that bad experience as isolated.

When you've seen or experienced so much bad it takes time for those wounds to heal. I used to be terrified of getting stopped by the police and I don't scare easily. Now I'm telling my son and daughters that they can't wear certain hairstyles. Not only because I hate them but because I'm worried about how a cop or something may view them when they are with their mother for a weekend.


you think that is unique to black people?

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Would a body cam really catch a guy taking a piss? Didn't think they worked like that, unless the officer awkwardly moved his torso to TRY to make that happen.
Duct tape your phone to your chest, start a video recording and go take a leak. See how you like it.

Will it catch you licking boots as well?

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Have a backup camera in the car then. Let him wear that back to the station.

Aw man, turns out the last guy to use the car had his shitty lowest-bidder camera crap out too. He forgot to make any note of this so the backup wasn't in the car.


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OK what if he's alone? Should he wait for another officer to come escort him back? What if he witnesses something while he's waiting, its not like he slips into a different plane of existence if his camera stops working.
Yes, he should wait. As you've said, this is highly unlikely. Cops call for backup all the time. I see it on traffic stops fairly often. As I suggested earlier though, have a backup camera in the car if that doesn't work.

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there is literally no downside to my proposal for either the police or the public. Anyone arguing against it is just a moron at this point.

You got that moron Juice so rattled all he can do is try and play GOTCHA with Frank cause my idea evolved over a few posts. That's some bottom of the barrel shit posting right there.


The other moron, all he can do is try and point out 1 in a billion scenarios where this doesn't work.


So in other words neither one of those dumbasses can come up with a legitimate reason why my proposal is a bad idea.

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Would a body cam really catch a guy taking a piss? Didn't think they worked like that, unless the officer awkwardly moved his torso to TRY to make that happen.
Duct tape your phone to your chest, start a video recording and go take a leak. See how you like it.

Yeah, that wouldn't capture footage of my dick. You seem confused as to how these things work

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Have a backup camera in the car then. Let him wear that back to the station.

Aw man, turns out the last guy to use the car had his shitty lowest-bidder camera crap out too. He forgot to make any note of this so the backup wasn't in the car.
So then call for backup to help you out.

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Would a body cam really catch a guy taking a piss? Didn't think they worked like that, unless the officer awkwardly moved his torso to TRY to make that happen.
They'd have to glue mine to my forehead.

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