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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


I totally agree.

Edit: Also with police being murdered in the street, letthem off the leash. Letthem start shooting and taking the baton to these fucks

Shut up child fucker.

The police who arrested you should have given you that treatment.

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If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.

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If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


Probably. If he gets acquitted, its Rodney King all over again.

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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.


So is the criminal justice system in this country.

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If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


I agree.

But then it shows that this was a no win situation.

Charge him with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter and people say you aren't charging him strongly enough. If he walks, people say you charged him too high so he would walk.

Regardless of what happens at a trial, though, the system worked. He was charged and tried by a citizen jury.

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If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


I agree.

But then it shows that this was a no win situation.

Charge him with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter and people say you aren't charging him strongly enough. If he walks, people say you charged him too high so he would walk.

Regardless of what happens at a trial, though, the system worked. He was charged and tried by a citizen jury.


Yeah,they can not in anyway possible do a deal on this. It has to go to trail.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.

Not really. We aren't seeing worldwide protests because of one guy.

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If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


Probably. If he gets acquitted, its Rodney King all over again.


He is going to be convicted of something if he even makes it to trial. Wife left him took his homes, and he's on suicide watch.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.

Not really. We aren't seeing worldwide protests because of one guy.


That's fair.

I'll make it specific to this case then.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


Probably. If he gets acquitted, its Rodney King all over again.

Just rig the trial. By the time he gets off on appeal, it will be 5 years down the line.


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Nardi wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


Probably. If he gets acquitted, its Rodney King all over again.

Just rig the trial. By the time he gets off on appeal, it will be 5 years down the line.


Just shoot him now and be done.

That will satisfy people.

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631.14 VERDICT FOR LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSE.
Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense consisting of different degrees, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of the degree charged in the indictment or complaint, and guilty of any degree inferior to that. Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of committing it, and guilty of an attempt to commit it. Upon an indictment or complaint for murder, if the jury finds the defendant not guilty, it may, upon the same indictment or complaint, find the defendant guilty of manslaughter in any degree. In all other cases, the defendant may be found guilty of any offense necessarily included in that offense with which the defendant is charged in the indictment or complaint.


im not a lawyer but it sounds like the lesser charges are included


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Nardi wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


Probably. If he gets acquitted, its Rodney King all over again.

Just rig the trial. By the time he gets off on appeal, it will be 5 years down the line.


Just shoot him now and be done.

That will satisfy people.


or stand on his neck for however long that takes


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I agree.

But then it shows that this was a no win situation.

Charge him with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter and people say you aren't charging him strongly enough. If he walks, people say you charged him too high so he would walk.

Regardless of what happens at a trial, though, the system worked. He was charged and tried by a citizen jury.
Second degree may be difficult to acquit. 3rd degree/manslaughter may have been nearly impossible to acquit. He hasn't been tried by a citizen jury, and I wonder if there is any place in the country he will be able to get a fair trial.

I do think it was right to charge the other officers. Imagine if just one of them had intervened.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


I totally agree.

Edit: Also with police being murdered in the street, letthem off the leash. Letthem start shooting and taking the baton to these fucks

Shut up child fucker.

The police who arrested you should have given you that treatment.

Why is this poster continually allowed to say things like this?


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Just shoot him now and be done.

That will satisfy people.
or stand on his neck for however long that takes
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Nardi wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


Probably. If he gets acquitted, its Rodney King all over again.

Just rig the trial. By the time he gets off on appeal, it will be 5 years down the line.


Just shoot him now and be done.

That will satisfy people.


or stand on his neck for however long that takes

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Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense consisting of different degrees, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of the degree charged in the indictment or complaint, and guilty of any degree inferior to that. Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of committing it, and guilty of an attempt to commit it. Upon an indictment or complaint for murder, if the jury finds the defendant not guilty, it may, upon the same indictment or complaint, find the defendant guilty of manslaughter in any degree. In all other cases, the defendant may be found guilty of any offense necessarily included in that offense with which the defendant is charged in the indictment or complaint.


im not a lawyer but it sounds like the lesser charges are included


I been saying this where a while now.

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Nardi wrote:
sjboyd0137 wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
If that's the case, then the entire movement is exposed as bullshit.
Regardless of what the charge is, if Chauvin walks regardless of why, do you think there are more riots coming when that verdict is announced? I do.


Probably. If he gets acquitted, its Rodney King all over again.

Just rig the trial. By the time he gets off on appeal, it will be 5 years down the line.


Just shoot him now and be done.

That will satisfy people.


or stand on his neck for however long that takes


Kill him any way you want.

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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.

Not if they delay it until the winter ( which they will) . Not much looting going on in Minneapolis when its 10 below.

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631.14 VERDICT FOR LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSE.
Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense consisting of different degrees, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of the degree charged in the indictment or complaint, and guilty of any degree inferior to that. Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of committing it, and guilty of an attempt to commit it. Upon an indictment or complaint for murder, if the jury finds the defendant not guilty, it may, upon the same indictment or complaint, find the defendant guilty of manslaughter in any degree. In all other cases, the defendant may be found guilty of any offense necessarily included in that offense with which the defendant is charged in the indictment or complaint.


im not a lawyer but it sounds like the lesser charges are included


So is he now charged with 2nd, 3rd, and manslaughter, and the jury gets to pick which (if any) to convict? If they upgraded to 2nd but removed the lesser included manslaughter charge, that will set up for disaster.

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631.14 VERDICT FOR LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSE.
Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense consisting of different degrees, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of the degree charged in the indictment or complaint, and guilty of any degree inferior to that. Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of committing it, and guilty of an attempt to commit it. Upon an indictment or complaint for murder, if the jury finds the defendant not guilty, it may, upon the same indictment or complaint, find the defendant guilty of manslaughter in any degree. In all other cases, the defendant may be found guilty of any offense necessarily included in that offense with which the defendant is charged in the indictment or complaint.


im not a lawyer but it sounds like the lesser charges are included


I been saying this where a while now.


He's currently charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter. What lower charges could be considered? Seriously asking as I only play a lawyer on TikTok.

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Wife left him took his homes, and he's on suicide watch.


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631.14 VERDICT FOR LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSE.
Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense consisting of different degrees, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of the degree charged in the indictment or complaint, and guilty of any degree inferior to that. Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of committing it, and guilty of an attempt to commit it. Upon an indictment or complaint for murder, if the jury finds the defendant not guilty, it may, upon the same indictment or complaint, find the defendant guilty of manslaughter in any degree. In all other cases, the defendant may be found guilty of any offense necessarily included in that offense with which the defendant is charged in the indictment or complaint.


im not a lawyer but it sounds like the lesser charges are included


I been saying this where a while now.


He's currently charged with 3rd degree murder and manslaughter. What lower charges could be considered? Seriously asking as I only play a lawyer on TikTok.


Now he's charged with 2nd degree. So if they don't convict on 2nd degree, they are still able to convict on 3rd degree, manslaughter, or reckless homicide. Even if they don't meet their burden to convict on 2nd, they might still have met their burden to convict on a "lower" murder charge.

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there will be a "suicide" , watch


Yep.

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Chicago paid out half a billion over an 8 year period.

Doubling the amount of cameras is not going to have a major financial hit.
That's a bit of fallacious reasoning though, isn't it? A body camera program need not be more expensive than the amount of civil judgements paid out to be cost ineffective, it only needs to cost more than the amount said program reduces civil judgements. If you spend $20 million annually on a camera program with 7,000 cameras for officers (the size of the CPD program), you have to reduce civil payouts by at least that much. Chicago actually more than doubled their amount of civil judgement payouts since the camera program was expanded to every officer in 2017. (No, I'm not arguing that increasing the number of cameras has a causal relationship with the increase in payouts from 2017 to 2018)
That comes out to almost $3,000 per camera per year. Also, a lot of the cost from these systems come from storage solutions but that wouldn't be relevant for backup cameras since either the main camera or the backup camera are not taking video at the same time. If anything, it is a smart decision to have backup cameras available if you've already decided to have the primary cameras.

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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


I totally agree.

Edit: Also with police being murdered in the street, letthem off the leash. Letthem start shooting and taking the baton to these fucks

Shut up child fucker.

The police who arrested you should have given you that treatment.

Why is this poster continually allowed to say things like this?

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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


I totally agree.

Edit: Also with police being murdered in the street, letthem off the leash. Letthem start shooting and taking the baton to these fucks

Shut up child fucker.

The police who arrested you should have given you that treatment.

Why is this poster continually allowed to say things like this?


Hey Litigation Notes in case you haven't noticed that's who he is and that's what he has always been. He just isn't your asshole anymore so now you are bitching and moaning about it.

He has always said this type of stuff. And only now you have a problem with it?

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 Post subject: Re: I Can't Breathe II
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GoldenJet wrote:
Chauvin bumped to 2nd degree murder and the other 3 are being charged.


Welcome to 20 minutes ago.

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