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Wife left him took his homes, and he's on suicide watch.


there will be a "suicide" , watch


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just put him in the same prison as the guy who killed Dahmer.

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Wife left him took his homes, and he's on suicide watch.


there will be a "suicide" , watch


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just put him in the same prison as the guy who killed Dahmer.


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Chauvin bumped to 2nd degree murder and the other 3 are being charged.
Welcome to 20 minutes ago.

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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


I totally agree.

Edit: Also with police being murdered in the street, letthem off the leash. Letthem start shooting and taking the baton to these fucks

Shut up child fucker.

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A lot of people dont want to admit this to themselves for reasons that are very understandable, but there's a decent chance he walks. Competing autopsies really aren't a great sign.

It is very rare for this to be the case, but him killing himself would be an extremely courageous and patriotic act. I say that not out of any malice in my heart for the man, it is just what is best for the people of the United States. If he feels terrible about what happened, like he lost control and upon reflection realizes how much profound damage he did, then the way to salvage at least some dignity would be to do the ultimately unthinkable.

There's nothing good that can come out of a trial. Even if he pleads guilty he'll make a statement, people will obsess over it. Quotes will be taken out of context, commentary will be made to further the divide, and god help us all if he gets acquitted.

In a very odd way he is in an extremely unique position to do a tremendous amount of good for his country.


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Chauvin bumped to 2nd degree murder and the other 3 are being charged.
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There is no satiating the crazy left. If he kills himself justice was denied. If he is convicted it won't be long enough. If he is given the death penalty it will take to long to carry it out. Basically no matter what happens they will complain, and some with use it as an excuse to riot.

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We've seen enough cops walk to understand that overcharging him is stupid. Get a conviction and live to fight another day. Accountability is what's desired.

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A lot of people dont want to admit this to themselves for reasons that are very understandable, but there's a decent chance he walks. Competing autopsies really aren't a great sign.
They aren't competing autopsies though. The Medical Examiner determined that he died of asphyxiation in the final report. It was ruled a homicide. His lawyers can try and use the other factors but it's unlikely to work that the homicide doesn't count because he had medical issues.



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It is very rare for this to be the case, but him killing himself would be an extremely courageous and patriotic act. I say that not out of any malice in my heart for the man, it is just what is best for the people of the United States. If he feels terrible about what happened, like he lost control and upon reflection realizes how much profound damage he did, then the way to salvage at least some dignity would be to do the ultimately unthinkable.

There's nothing good that can come out of a trial. Even if he pleads guilty he'll make a statement, people will obsess over it. Quotes will be taken out of context, commentary will be made to further the divide, and god help us all if he gets acquitted.

In a very odd way he is in an extremely unique position to do a tremendous amount of good for his country.
If he pleads guilty, apologizes, and says that police tactics need to be overhauled then it could have a positive impact compared to where we are now.

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631.14 VERDICT FOR LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSE.
Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense consisting of different degrees, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of the degree charged in the indictment or complaint, and guilty of any degree inferior to that. Upon an indictment or complaint for an offense, the jury may find the defendant not guilty of committing it, and guilty of an attempt to commit it. Upon an indictment or complaint for murder, if the jury finds the defendant not guilty, it may, upon the same indictment or complaint, find the defendant guilty of manslaughter in any degree. In all other cases, the defendant may be found guilty of any offense necessarily included in that offense with which the defendant is charged in the indictment or complaint.


im not a lawyer but it sounds like the lesser charges are included


I been saying this where a while now.
For the main cop though isn't he charged with the lowest class of murder and manslaughter? Can you be convicted of attempted manslaughter?

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It is very rare for this to be the case, but him killing himself would be an extremely courageous and patriotic act. I say that not out of any malice in my heart for the man, it is just what is best for the people of the United States. If he feels terrible about what happened, like he lost control and upon reflection realizes how much profound damage he did, then the way to salvage at least some dignity would be to do the ultimately unthinkable.

There's nothing good that can come out of a trial. Even if he pleads guilty he'll make a statement, people will obsess over it. Quotes will be taken out of context, commentary will be made to further the divide, and god help us all if he gets acquitted.

In a very odd way he is in an extremely unique position to do a tremendous amount of good for his country.
If he pleads guilty, apologizes, and says that police tactics need to be overhauled then it could have a positive impact compared to where we are now.

I dont think there's anything he can say. He opens his mouth and it'll just make thing worse, no matter his tone. There's an army of people just chomping at the bit for him to make some sort of statement that they can tear apart and make grandiose proclamations over.

Even if he kills himself I can visualize the narrative right now that he did it to "seize control" or whatever. I was delusional to think there's any way this has a positive ending. No matter what happens next, it will make things worse.


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What are the others being charged with?


Don't think they've said yet.

Press conference later will probably make it official.




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Is it too much to ask that police be held to the same standard as any other citizen in this country?



I agree .


Five teenagers have been charged and another was fatally shot after an attempted vehicle theft in Lake County, Ill., which led to a high-speed chase into Chicago Tuesday morning, the Lake County Sheriff's Office said.

A 16-year-old male, three 17-year-old males, and an 18-year-old woman, identified as Diamond Davis of Chicago, were charged with first degree murder in connection with the incident. They were charged with murder because a 14-year-old boy died of gunshot wounds sustained during the commission of a forcible felony, the sheriff's office said.



Lake County prosecutors have dropped murder charges that were filed against five Chicago teenagers last month after a member of their group was fatally shot by a homeowner in the north suburbs while they allegedly tried to break into a vehicle.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


I totally agree.

Edit: Also with police being murdered in the street, letthem off the leash. Letthem start shooting and taking the baton to these fucks

Shut up child fucker.

The police who arrested you should have given you that treatment.

Why is this poster continually allowed to say things like this?

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A lot of people dont want to admit this to themselves for reasons that are very understandable, but there's a decent chance he walks. Competing autopsies really aren't a great sign.
They aren't competing autopsies though. The Medical Examiner determined that he died of asphyxiation in the final report. It was ruled a homicide. His lawyers can try and use the other factors but it's unlikely to work that the homicide doesn't count because he had medical issues.



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It is very rare for this to be the case, but him killing himself would be an extremely courageous and patriotic act. I say that not out of any malice in my heart for the man, it is just what is best for the people of the United States. If he feels terrible about what happened, like he lost control and upon reflection realizes how much profound damage he did, then the way to salvage at least some dignity would be to do the ultimately unthinkable.

There's nothing good that can come out of a trial. Even if he pleads guilty he'll make a statement, people will obsess over it. Quotes will be taken out of context, commentary will be made to further the divide, and god help us all if he gets acquitted.

In a very odd way he is in an extremely unique position to do a tremendous amount of good for his country.
If he pleads guilty, apologizes, and says that police tactics need to be overhauled then it could have a positive impact compared to where we are now.


He could also ask that suspects dont resist arrest so forcefully too. ( Not that that happened here, just in general)

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
Okay the AG is now upping the charge to 2nd degree and the other three are being charged. Anything from this point on any disturbance is bs.
If the prosecutors feel they can get a conviction on 2nd degree, fine. Otherwise, an overcharge to playcate the masses now makes zero sense. The cop must be convicted. If he walks after a trial- because 1st/2nd degree was not able to be proven- then we will start this unrest all over again.


I totally agree.

Edit: Also with police being murdered in the street, letthem off the leash. Letthem start shooting and taking the baton to these fucks

Shut up child fucker.

The police who arrested you should have given you that treatment.

Why is this poster continually allowed to say things like this?


Hey Litigation Notes in case you haven't noticed that's who he is and that's what he has always been. He just isn't your asshole anymore so now you are bitching and moaning about it.

He has always said this type of stuff. And only now you have a problem with it?

He's always threatened to kill people and cops and spoken of vulgar see crimes involving children? I don't think so, but way to try to make this about politics.


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If he is given the death penalty it will take to long to carry it out.

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We've seen enough cops walk to understand that overcharging him is stupid. Get a conviction and live to fight another day. Accountability is what's desired.


Lesser. Included. Offenses.


Sheesh.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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I totally agree.

Edit: Also with police being murdered in the street, letthem off the leash. Letthem start shooting and taking the baton to these fucks

Shut up child fucker.

The police who arrested you should have given you that treatment.

Why is this poster continually allowed to say things like this?


Hey Litigation Notes in case you haven't noticed that's who he is and that's what he has always been. He just isn't your asshole anymore so now you are bitching and moaning about it.

He has always said this type of stuff. And only now you have a problem with it?

He's always threatened to kill people and cops and spoken of vulgar see crimes involving children? I don't think so, but way to try to make this about politics.


Even though you are the idiot that first referenced politics. He has said this sort of thing to Chas before and yet your censorship antenna was conspicuously silent..
Its obvious that you only have a problem with him because he has been calling you out on your B.S. lately.

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Nas wrote:
We've seen enough cops walk to understand that overcharging him is stupid. Get a conviction and live to fight another day. Accountability is what's desired.


Lesser. Included. Offenses.


Sheesh.

This is the guy that wrote a giant crybaby shitpost about how sad he is because the discourse is mean.


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We've seen enough cops walk to understand that overcharging him is stupid. Get a conviction and live to fight another day. Accountability is what's desired.


Lesser. Included. Offenses.


Sheesh.


I'm just reacting to what is being posted. I'm not able to see what's going on now.

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Actually, I take it back. The medical examiner called it a homicide but blamed heart failure from neck compression.

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Does the upgraded charge mean there was new evidence to support? Not a good look to just upgrade based on the "climate."

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Actually, I take it back. The medical examiner called it a homicide but blamed heart failure from neck compression.
Does the ME say that the neck compression caused his heart failure or that he went into cardiac arrest because of neck compression and heart failure (the condition).


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Actually, I take it back. The medical examiner called it a homicide but blamed heart failure from neck compression.
Does the ME say that the neck compression caused his heart failure or that he went into cardiac arrest because of neck compression and heart failure (the condition).

You can read the reports yourself.

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Does the upgraded charge mean there was new evidence to support? Not a good look to just upgrade based on the "climate."
I'd bet upgrading the charges during all of this put a bow in the quiver of the guy's defense attorney,


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Actually, I take it back. The medical examiner called it a homicide but blamed heart failure from neck compression.
Does the ME say that the neck compression caused his heart failure or that he went into cardiac arrest because of neck compression and heart failure (the condition).

You can read the reports yourself.
Come on, Rick, you know what it says.


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Does the upgraded charge mean there was new evidence to support? Not a good look to just upgrade based on the "climate."
I'd bet upgrading the charges during all of this put a bow in the quiver of the guy's defense attorney,


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Does the upgraded charge mean there was new evidence to support? Not a good look to just upgrade based on the "climate."
I'd bet upgrading the charges during all of this put a bow in the quiver of the guy's defense attorney,


Why would he put a bow in his quiver?

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