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You see through bigoted filters.


Says the bigoted anti-Catholic guy here. :lol:


Ha...sorry, I love Catholics, married one. I think certain Catholics are fucking crazy....you know, like the ones who think birth control is a sin.


You are the same as Antartica.

He picks and chooses among black people that he doesn't think are crazy as well.

Everyone is their own individual and should be approached as such. But on a macro level there are trends. Everyone agrees even if they wont necessarily agree in this many words.

Were these riot protests really about abolishing the idea of race? Was it to move towards a post-racial world? Clearly not. Actually if you were to say that (especially as a white person) your comments would be met with scorn and ridicule. What is ultimately ironic is that the movement GoldenJet supports so strongly in BLM is really hyper-sensitive and race obsessed.

The message seems to be very clear: the FIRST thing people should notice about somebody else must be their race, and from that framework then inferences can be met. So when I make light-hearted observations that are clearly layered with a sense of irony try not to freak out and instead self-reflect on exactly what the content of your beliefs truly are.


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You see through bigoted filters.


Says the bigoted anti-Catholic guy here. :lol:


Ha...sorry, I love Catholics, married one. I think certain Catholics are fucking crazy....you know, like the ones who think birth control is a sin.


You are the same as Antartica.

He picks and chooses among black people that he doesn't think are crazy as well.

Everyone is their own individual and should be approached as such. But on a macro level there are trends. Everyone agrees even if they wont necessarily agree in this many words.

Were these riot protests really about abolishing the idea of race? Was it to move towards a post-racial world? Clearly not. Actually if you were to say that (especially as a white person) your comments would be met with scorn and ridicule. What is ultimately ironic is that the movement GoldenJet supports so strongly in BLM is really hyper-sensitive and race obsessed.

The message seems to be very clear: the FIRST thing people should notice about somebody else must be their race, and from that framework then inferences can be met. So when I make light-hearted observations that are clearly layered with a sense of irony try not to freak out and instead self-reflect on exactly what the content of your beliefs truly are.



Every person has an individual dignity.

You and Jet extend your respect for their dignity based upon them agreeing with each of you.

Same approach just to different groups of people.

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Crest, if birth control will save thousands, if not millions, of needless, painful children's deaths and suffering...and you would rather have the pain, suffering and death? I have no respect for that sort of barbaric mentality. You can biblically rationalize it however you want.

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Crest, if birth control will save thousands, if not millions, of needless, painful children's deaths and suffering...and you would rather have the pain, suffering and death? I have no respect for that sort of barbaric mentality. You can biblically rationalize it however you want.


You and I have never discussed this. But I will say this.

The stats since birth control has been widely practiced, lay waste to your claim that it saves lives.

The good news for you is, your bigotry is widely accepted currently. The bad news for Antartica is that his bigotry is not.

The best solution is to not be a bigot.

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It came up in the Africa/Gates discussion.

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Crest, if birth control will save thousands, if not millions, of needless, painful children's deaths and suffering...and you would rather have the pain, suffering and death? I have no respect for that sort of barbaric mentality. You can biblically rationalize it however you want.


Yes! Yes! Please make this another abortion thread.

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Crest, if birth control will save thousands, if not millions, of needless, painful children's deaths and suffering...and you would rather have the pain, suffering and death? I have no respect for that sort of barbaric mentality. You can biblically rationalize it however you want.


Yes! Yes! Please make this another abortion thread.


I will not.

It's pointless.

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That’s a rough first week on the job


That's rough.

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Darn, I feel kinda bad for them.


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That’s a rough first week on the job


That's rough.

I can't see them actually going to trial. How do they disobey their training officer? Plead them out, tell them to find a new career, and move on.

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If that is true there is no way they deserve to be held accountable for anything in that situation.

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That’s a rough first week on the job


I’ll say. And might explain the wtf do I do look on their face.

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Crest, if birth control will save thousands, if not millions, of needless, painful children's deaths and suffering...and you would rather have the pain, suffering and death? I have no respect for that sort of barbaric mentality. You can biblically rationalize it however you want.


Yes! Yes! Please make this another abortion thread.


I will not.

It's pointless.


Oh please do. Bigotry against Catholics is a meter mover.

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If that is true there is no way they deserve to be held accountable for anything in that situation.

That's a bunch of crap.

Sorry we didn't do a damn thing to stop the outright murder of your son, ma'am, but, y-you see, the thing is, it was ... it was only our fourth day on the job.

Oh; I see. That's quite alright then.

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Has this tweet been removed?

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If that is true there is no way they deserve to be held accountable for anything in that situation.

That's a bunch of crap.

Sorry we didn't do a damn thing to stop the outright murder of your son, ma'am, but, y-you see, the thing is, it was ... it was only our fourth day on the job.

Oh; I see. That's quite alright then.

So you really think 2 guys brand new just learning how things are going should be help accountable for murder? New guys like that are to be seen and not heard. They were training and to do what they were told.

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A rumor about busloads of antifa protestors, sparked by a bogus Twitter account, spurred Chicago Police to shut down highways and send a helicopter to the Indiana border. It was completely false.

For the entirety of Saturday, May 30th, Trish sat next to her police scanner tweeting out any information she thought might be helpful to protesters in Chicago. An avid police-scanner devotee, the 41-year-old figured she might be of better help to those out in the streets by reporting what she was hearing on the scanner.

But just around the time she was going to call it a night, Trish heard something come across the police radio that sounded odd. “All of a sudden there was this report of buses heading toward Illinois by way of Indiana with ‘protesters,’” she tells me.


At first, she ignored it. Chicago’s police radio had been hacked earlier, so there was already “several scanner interferences with music playing or a person saying obscenities,” Trish tells me.

Cody, a 24-year-olnoring these interruptions, which included voices saying to “use deadly force,” and “shut the fuck up.” “But when they said ‘3,000 antifa were on 12 buses from Indiana,’” Cody continues, “they directly acknowledged it for officer safety. The whole thing seemed surreal. I always thought antifa was sort of an overblown thing, definitely not a formal organization. So to imagine them moving in large numbers across state lines seemed ridiculous.”



Independent disinformation investigator Ray Serrato, however, isn’t surprised to hear this happened. The information in the recording mirrors a tweet Serrato tracked through Twitter and Facebook. “It originated with the Twitter account @ANTIFA_US,” Serrato tells me. “In the Facebook data I have, the first post referencing it was in a group called ‘Christians Praying Daily for Our President, Family, Staff and Nation’” on the night of May 30th.



From there, the screenshot went viral, particularly on pages and groups administered by current and former law enforcement officers — e.g., Florida Officer’s Resource Page (9,735 followers); The Detroit Scanner (a Detroit Police Facebook page with 41,604 followers); and U.S. Law Enforcement (nearly 500,000 followers), a page “run by several current and former law enforcement officers.”


As reported by Brandy Zadrozny and Ben Collins of NBC News, the post then made its way to “hyperlocal services like Nextdoor and the Ring app in communities across the country,” particularly rural areas.

By June 1st, several local police departments in states like Idaho and South Dakota were definitely aware of the rumor, but by that point, there was enough evidence to consider it unsubstantiated. Though, apparently, not for Fox News and Donald Trump Jr.:

By June 2nd, Facebook moved to label the tweet as “containing false information,” long after Twitter suspended the account for calls to violence, and disclosed that it was run by a white nationalist group, Identity Evropa.

Stepping back to the night of May 30th, though — in fairness, days before the post caught enough attention to be debunked — Chicago Police wasn’t quite sure what to do with the information. Was it legitimate? Or was it the same troll they’d been ignoring all night?

According to William Spelman, a professor of public affairs at the University of Texas, 911 operators are trained to identify false calls, “but I don’t know of anything specific to the internet crime reporting issue.” That is, while most crimes are “reported by victims or witnesses over the phone,” he’s not sure of any places that have specific protocols regarding crimes reported on social media. “In many places, it’s also perfectly permissible to report through Facebook or another social media platform,” he continues. “In almost all cases, police will follow up in person or over the phone to verify the facts, and to verify that a crime was, in fact, committed.”

When reached for comment on whether the Chicago Police Department has such a protocol in place for internet crime reporting, a representative didn’t say either way. “Our officers respond to thousands of calls for service everyday and sometimes those calls are related to information gathered via the internet or social media,” they write via email. “That information is then relayed to our officers in the field, and they’re investigated.”

Spelman says some police departments do undergo training in this realm, be it through the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center or a private company. Such training “covers credibility assessments and rumor control (especially regarding natural disasters), and somebody who’s gone through it would probably be in a better position to separate fact from fiction.”

Those who haven’t, though, might be just as likely to mistake a tweet from an account such as @ANTIFA_US as anyone else. That said, this particular tweet had all the hallmarks of being fake. “The account misspelled a legitimate hashtag as ‘#blacklivesmaters,’” NBC News reported. “And inside the antifa flag in the profile picture, the account appended an ‘IE,’ short for Identity Evropa, which rebranded as American Identity Movement in 2019.”

But again, none of that stopped it from spreading in Chicago on Saturday night. At 10:25 p.m., an hour after the buses are first mentioned, what sounds like a different voice brought them up again, and the dispatcher acknowledged she didn’t know where the information was coming from — but was taking action on the report to ensure the safety of officers. She also noted that a police helicopter had been re-routed from the protest to the Indiana state line to watch for the buses.

Within the chatter, another voice chimed in to clarify that the “Indiana State Police says there’s nothing to [the story about buses].” Nevertheless, the helicopter was on its way.

Using FlightRadar24, police helicopter N911UU breaks away from circling the protest downtown to look for buses of protesters at the Indiana border.
The report of buses heading toward Chicago continued to pervade police chatter throughout the night, as it was brought up at least two more times between 10:16 p.m. and 10:46 p.m.



The CPD rep says they “don’t have any specific information available about the incident you’re inquiring about related to a bus headed to Chicago.” However, Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot confirmed it happened, and expressed her displeasure during her Wednesday press conference:



Given the nature of how misinformation spreads, it’s not surprising to see similar reports of a busload of protesters pop up on other police scanners (and when those protesters don’t show, it’s only because the police stopped them). In Iowa, people on #scannerduty have noted a bus full of antifa protesters being mentioned on the radio. Police in Oregon reportedly sent a text message to residents warning about the same bus. And as of 10:30 p.m. last night, the bus was apparently headed back to Indiana.




Since considerable time and resources have been dedicated to a made-up story posted on a fake antifa Twitter account created by white supremacist groups, hopefully this all leads to greater literacy about online conspiracy theories among law enforcement. But until then, we’re left to rely on Trish and others who love to pass the time by sitting and listening to police scanners. “There are a lot of fake tweets and posts that people like me are happy to fact-check,” she says. “I’m just doing what I can from my position to get the word out.”


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Yes, we will.

But some bigotry is more acceptable than others.

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Opinions vary.


Where have you been?

I was starting to think that COVID got you

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Catholics will be fine.

Opinions vary.


Where have you been?

I was starting to think that COVID got you


Working and running one kid to gymnastics and the other to football offseason training. Most places have said fuck it and are open on the DL :lol: :lol:


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If that is true there is no way they deserve to be held accountable for anything in that situation.

That's a bunch of crap.

Sorry we didn't do a damn thing to stop the outright murder of your son, ma'am, but, y-you see, the thing is, it was ... it was only our fourth day on the job.

Oh; I see. That's quite alright then.

So you really think 2 guys brand new just learning how things are going should be help accountable for murder? New guys like that are to be seen and not heard. They were training and to do what they were told.

Do I think two cops that actively chose to not intervene while a murder was being committed right before their eyes should be held accountable?

Gee, I wonder ...

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Where have you been?

I was starting to think that COVID got you


Working and running one kid to gymnastics and the other to football offseason training. Most places have said fuck it and are open on the DL :lol: :lol:


High school football?

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Where have you been?

I was starting to think that COVID got you


Working and running one kid to gymnastics and the other to football offseason training. Most places have said fuck it and are open on the DL :lol: :lol:


High school football?


My son is in JR High, so he trains those kids in the morning and then the gym has high school kids come later. They shut down for 3 or so weeks but were running in early April quietly. For kids that have a chance to make it, you simply can't just stop things. I'm sure it's like this all over.


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