That might be worse than just letting the Latin Kings and the old time Tony Spilotro types split the city.

_________________
"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Well at what point do cops start releasing information they have about powerful people and they accusations that come in on a daily basis? This fight can get really ugly.

Interesting conspiracy theory. Total bullshit but there you go.

_________________
Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Wait, so defunding the police is just firing all the existing officers then hiring new people for the exact same job with lower pay and less benefits

I appreciate the retro gilded age look to leftism

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I imagine there are people motivated to make some horrific event(s) happen that will show why the police are important. A sex crime or murder involving a white or very attractive woman or child will accomplish that. Suburban women everywhere will vote and donate money to bring the police back.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!

The other thing about Camden is that every year immense resources get poured into trying to make it better. Unlike Gary its literally just across the river from Philadelphia. The land could be worth a ton because it offers prime access to downtown Philly.

And of course once they get some big developments going and the yuppies to move in so too will the same type of police measures found everywhere else in America.

I would expect huge push back in bigger and more powerful police forces.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!

_________________

Yang wants to turn them into an AAF team. Lot of bold proposals going around

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

That's a long weekend in Chicago. But I don't live there so maybe I should STFU.

_________________

This is all just crazy talk.

_________________

Like mass looting and burning perhaps .

_________________
Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

If that happens in a city without "police" it will be considered worse than it normally is.

_________________
Be well

GO BEARS!!!

When government moves fast on something large in scale it usually does not go very well

What does this really mean?

Remains to be seen, tbh. Liberals have now latched onto Camden NJ as their model society.

There is no idea too stupid for the online left.

_________________

I'd expand it to the religious left.

Only a retard or somali refugee would agree.

_________________

I wouldn't agree to this amount of surveillance if this is true. https://www.businessinsider.com/camden- ... ce-2013-12

I still don't understand what their plan is.

sounds like it's reduce the police force and give the money saved to poor people programs

If they want to be Camden, they will just have the County police the city and pretend they did something.

Let me get this straight. The city of Minneapolis is going to do a 3 card monte on it's black citizens? Defund the police and fund the Guardians?

I just read about the Camden reforms. It certainly seems like a reasonable model and worth trying. Simply, it has a community based policing air to it along with deescalation rules and training. This country needs some honest conversations about both policing and education especially in lower income communities.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... department

_________________
Hawaii (fuck) You

It's all bullshit. They doubled the number of officers and implemented the policy below, which probably looks like most policies:

CORE PRINCIPLE #1: Officers may use force only to accomplish specific law enforcement
objectives.

Officers MAY use force for the following legitimate law enforcement objectives:
To effect lawful law enforcement objectives, such as to effect a lawful seizure (an arrest
or detention) or to carry out a lawful search;
To overcome resistance directed at the officer or others;
To prevent physical harm to the officer or to another person, including intervening in a
suicide or other attempt to self-inflict injury;
To protect the officer, or a third party, from unlawful force; or
To prevent property damage or loss.

Officers MAY NOT use or threaten to use force for the following reasons:
To resolve a situation more quickly, unless the extended delay would risk the safety of
the person involved, officers, or others, or would significantly interfere with other
legitimate law enforcement objectives;
To punish a person or to retaliate against them for past conduct or to impose punishment;
To prevent a person from resisting or fleeing in the future;
To force compliance with an officer’s request, unless that request is necessary to serve
officer or public safety, or criminal adjudication; or
Based on bias against a person’s race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, disability, gender,
gender identity, sexual orientation, or any other protected characteristic.

_________________

They just replaced one police force with another and then doubled the size of the new force.

The key thing was rule and training changes, which don't require a defunding, which to me looks like just a symbolic gesture.

Also, as I stated without doing any research on the topic, Camden broke a union, experienced a flight of middle class jobs due to no residency requirement, and hired at lower pay for essentially the same task. We would be going nuts over a private corporation that did something like that.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Yeah. It looks like it basically was the breaking of the police union that made the big difference.

It does seem to be easier to say "Defund Police Force in City X" than it is "Get rid of a union in City X".

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

we figured out how to finally make white people feel uncomfrotable... take away the police.

Ford City handed over its policing to the County when it became insolvent. They didn't call it defunding but it was essentially the same move.

County police already handle policing in unincorporated parts of the county and municipalities too small to handle the task. I'll take my chances with CPD.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

you think it is white people who would be hurt most by a lack of police?

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.