Turns out the paper that pretty much halted trials of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID was total bullshit. Not only was the data it was based on total bullshit, but there was no peer review process prior to publication, and the data and methodology were so bunk that the company behind the data wouldn't even submit to the peer review instituted after enough people called bullshit. But remember, TRUST THE SCIENCE!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ine-trials





And LTG, THIS is why I immediately question every study offered as evidence of a claim, and you should too.

TRUST THE SCIENCE, even when the editors of scientific journals retweet defenses of their unabashed political bias!



[LTG, this is ALSO why I question every study that is presented as evidence of a claim, and you should too]

That's the problem when everyone is rushing with science and medicine.

The Abbott COVID test and this research both were rushed, and the vaccine will likely be the same way.

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That research always had me scratching my head. The drug has been approved fior use since 1955 and is widely used today. Maybe it’s not effective, but it is generally safe.

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I fucking love science-that's-really-just-a-political-hitjob.

https://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog ... y-badass-/

IGNORE science because a study was faulty. Ignore media because a story wasn't correct. It's amazing how a certain percentage of our population wants to condition people to believe whatever they want to believe for purely political reasons.

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How about view both with some degree of skepticism and common sense? Except the media, who lies so much that at this point it must be recreational.

That's reasonable, but that's not what happens.

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What will your life be like when Trump is re-elected?

Answer: it will be much better. The sky only falls when it rains.

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Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

Wrong!

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I would think that there is a huge lawsuit potential in what jut happened. If treatment was withheld for a patient because of that paper and the people who lied about it and patients died, I'd say that there is liability involved.

But this also does show how big money was involved in this. Hydro was a cheap drug and there were other treatments which were much more expensive which were being hawked by other medical "experts" who they probably had a vested interest in.

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That's an incomplete summation of what happened, though. It wasn't just that the data was faulty, it was completely "unreliable" (read: made up), and The Lancet abandoned their own standards of review just to get it published. How do we know that they must have not peer reviewed the study? Because the later attempt to put the data through peer review made one of the co-authors of the study fold and refuse to partake in the review process. The very attempt to peer review the data and methodology revealed the whole thing to be a fraud, but curiously that didn't happen before the paper was published and labeled as peer reviewed. Now, why would that happen? What would, or could, cause a respected medical journal like The Lancet, during a pandemic, to abandon their review process in favor of publishing a piece that definitively states that hydroxychloroquine is killing people who take it as treatment for COVID? Keep in mind, this is the medical journal that published an editorial piece calling for the removal of President Trump, who as luck would have it, has been an outspoken proponent of hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID.

A "respected" medical journal didn't bother to peer-review a study it published because that study served as a direct counter to a stance of Donald Trump. They put their politics ahead of the science, hoping nobody would notice, and here you are defending them.

Love the Thread, but take me off ignore:

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Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

There have been many documented cases where it was shown to be very successful in treating patients, particularly if treated in early stages of the virus. This was a combination of some doctors and drug developers wanting their own drugs to be used because of the money that they'd be receiving and wanting to run hydro down because Trump was mentioning it as a treatment and the media didn't want it to work because Trump came out for it.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Hopefully all of those assholes who said that they'd leave the country if Trump got elected in 2016 and didn't do it will instead kill themselves and make the world a better place.

Trump's second term is going to be terrific for the country. Think of the economy alone A big time raise in the standard of living. Every American that wants a job will have a job. And the removal of incompetent mayors and governors as people rise up and take the cities and states back.

Also, Barr and company are going to a house cleaning of the federal government corruption and the lifetime traitors within the justice department, FBI, and state department will be serving federal prison sentences.

Its going to be a GREAT FOUR MORE YEARS. Maybe they can bring Sheriff Joe back to run the Federal Prisons and put all of the treasonous Dems in pink work suits to work hard labor building roads and bridges.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

It may or may not work, but I supported people using it. I was surprised when news came out that it was unsafe. It is a widely used drug and has been for a long time. If I recall, it is available OTC in some African countries.

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Wasn't the biggest criticism of the study always zinc not being taken with the hydroxychlooquine?

The woman who murdered her husband with fish tank cleaner doesn't help.

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if hillary was president and said the same thing trump said about hydroclo she would be touted a genius.

No she wouldn’t because there’s no proof that it works. Anecdotal stories at best.

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Mr Hawk, how do I sign up for this sir?

Will there be mass suicide if Bunker Trump loses?

It doesn't matter who gets elected. The next decade will be brutal and filled with austerity measures. You don't run up a nearly $10 trillion annual deficit and then pretend things are fine.

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Not to mention the increase in domestic terrorism from the extreme 1% on both the left and the right, or as some might say the bottom of the horseshoe.

My plan has been to stay in NC until 2034 and then have a plan for my remaining years (I will be 70 then). About 10 years ago, i predicted that younger family members would start emigrating away from the US by then. I didnt think it would be because of this century's Troubles.

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It will be. You mentioning Dems offing themselves made me think back to Dave Chappelle's last special.

In it, he describes a buddy who had everything going for him I believe in terms of a career, woman, etc, and then he lost it all. Now Dave was saying that, if that happened to a white man, he would have just offed himself right away after simply entertaining the thought of having to go back to living a humble life after being so high on the hog. Instead, he said old dude just moved back in with his mom or grandma and took up some crap job somewhere, just surviving, but showed no lasting resentment.

I can't remember the exact point he was trying to make about blacks vs. whites, but the differences he highlighted stood out. The black guy was able to say, "fuck it, this hi-rolling shit is over, time for a new chapter. There's no way we're just ending this shit, so lets just get back to a more simple life" (kind of like the "black guys don't jump out of a perfectly good plane" material), whereas the white guy panicked and cut off the power to the whole ship.

In my opinion, that's why Black people do not really need to be aligned with the Democratic Party of whiny, expectation-lead, idealistic, self-offing lunatics. They are capable of great perseverance in the face of struggle, and thus are better-suited to a more conservative line of thinking.

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Election 2020-The Largest Fraud in the History of Mankind.

*If you believe that Biden won, you also believe that Epstein killed himself*

You question things that don't fit your narrative. Anyone can do that. You don't even have an argument here though whatever it is you will still believe that you're correct.

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And that's the most important thing. Trump touted this drug as cure for the virus and he was wrong about it. He continued to tout the drug even though he had no truth that it works...

However we aren't supposed to listen to the scientists. Listen to our buffoonish President instead.

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This is a good nomination but this is also why you don't rush through unproven treatments for diseases without clear evidence. Pretty much all the evidence for or against it didn't reach the standard you are complaining about not being met here.

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Off-label use of a drug is very common. As denis said, this medicine has been used for 60 years.

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It doesn't matter if the drug has been around a while. They need to make sure that it won't hurt, and then that it will help, before it becomes a standard practice to use it.

There is another thread on here that asked if someone would get the COVID vaccine when it came out, and a large group said they wouldn't because they aren't doing it because it would be "unproven" when we've been making vaccines for 60 years too.

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There were trials being done to see if the treatment was viable against COVID that his paper halted. Aren't clinical trials a crucial part of gathering evidence on a treatment?