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Nope! And I've managed to stay on the good graces of the American government! Unlike you, who literally has to be monitored now by some poor sap out the Little Rock division of the FBI. Talk about a drain, the amount of money that goes into surveilling you because you're an imminent terrorist threat more than cancels out your lifetime tax contribution.

Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile you've never worked a productive job in your life and had to leave the country because you could no longer support yourself and fell through the safety net.

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Didn’t realize that until fairly recently local police departments would get federal grant money based on the number of drug arrests they made regardless of size. I'm sure even the most pro police among us know that they weren't targeting affluent communities for petty drug possession.

Here are some CRAZY stats:
Less than 5% of all arrests are for violent crimes
Disorderly Conduct is the most common reason for arrest
Less than 25% of all reported crimes are solved
Nearly 2 million people are incarcerated, on parole or probation for drugs
1.3 million people arrested annually for drug possession
Roughly 220k arrested annually for drug sales
Marijuana #1 for drug arrests
Nearly 300 MILLION opioid prescriptions written in 1 year
More than 80% of arrests are for drugs or low level offenses
$7 billion spent by states annually incarcerating people for drugs
$3.3 billion spent annually by federal government incarcerating people for drugs



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This is a great article. Would be great if people on both sides read it entirely:

Just Like That, Gun Control Support and COVID-19 Died This Week

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Didn’t realize that until fairly recently local police departments would get federal grant money based on the number of drug arrests they made regardless of size. I'm sure even the most pro police among us know that they weren't targeting affluent communities for petty drug possession.

Probably because petty drug offenses in affluent communities doesn’t result in mass murder there everyday .

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Didn’t realize that until fairly recently local police departments would get federal grant money based on the number of drug arrests they made regardless of size. I'm sure even the most pro police among us know that they weren't targeting affluent communities for petty drug possession.

Probably because petty drug offenses in affluent communities doesn’t result in mass murder there everyday .


More likely because the game would have ended immediately if those areas were ripped apart because the Danny Parkins of the world had a few bags of marijuana.

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Didn’t realize that until fairly recently local police departments would get federal grant money based on the number of drug arrests they made regardless of size. I'm sure even the most pro police among us know that they weren't targeting affluent communities for petty drug possession.

Probably because petty drug offenses in affluent communities doesn’t result in mass murder there everyday .


More likely because the game would have ended immediately if those areas were ripped apart because the Danny Parkins of the world had a few bags of marijuana.

:lol: Doubtful but ok .

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Did anyone catch this?

Looks like the police partaking in vandalism. Vandalism they denied and tried to blame on the protesters until they were caught on video.



It makes me wonder how many of the fires were set by the police as well.

Police are scum and their day is over. This country has turned against them and damn is it glorious.

This bill will be a good start. It doesn't go far enough, but it's a start

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What is wrong with slashing tires on agitator's cars that are parked in areas where they were told not to? That looks like they just hopped out of the car in the middle of the road.

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There is no doubt back in the day crack was treated differently and the arrests more targeted than powdered coke. It is also true a poor and perhaps minority may have a harder time making bail. Or even getting a decent bail or I Bond for lack of a decent lawyer.

Even with all of that though I think forfeiture laws and no knocks fucked up the most. And yes it was not on the news every day but there were a lot of suburban homes, nice cars and cash going to local police forces. What was that guy from Archer-Western out to Oak Lawn way? Turned out Dan Hampton didn't even realize he married his ex coke whore. Cappas?

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The seismic shift in public opinion over the last few weeks has been amazing. It's clear that despite the propaganda pushed on us from age 5 on about police being heroes, public opinion has shifted against them and it is glorious to see.

The days of police running rampant with no consequences for their action will be coming to an end shortly. By January, there will be a Congress and President who will end qualified immunity and will put an end to the militarization of police. Their day is done.

More work will have to be done afterwards such as ending civil asset forfeiture, but progress will be made.

Police are the enemy and people are starting to wake up and realize it.

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The seismic shift in public opinion over the last few weeks has been amazing. It's clear that despite the propaganda pushed on us from age 5 on about police being heroes, public opinion has shifted against them and it is glorious to see.

The days of police running rampant with no consequences for their action will be coming to an end shortly. By January, there will be a Congress and President who will end qualified immunity and will put an end to the militarization of police. Their day is done.

More work will have to be done afterwards such as ending civil asset forfeiture, but progress will be made.

Police are the enemy and people are starting to wake up and realize it.


It's so cute, you sound like us liberals after another *worst mass shooting in history* talking bout how this time the public sentiment has shifted and now there's going to be some meaningful gun control :lol:


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Less than 5% of all arrests are for violent crimes.


Yeah, I'm not certain what abolishing the police will actually look like. I don't think anyone is. But people seem to have this impression that real life is like the movies where some criminal is busting into your house at night and you make a quick phone call and Sean Penn and Denzel Washington rush out and catch the perpetrator in the act. In reality it's more like Laurel and Hardy come out and write up the report of the robbery and murder which remain unsolved.

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There is no doubt back in the day crack was treated differently and the arrests more targeted than powdered coke. It is also true a poor and perhaps minority may have a harder time making bail. Or even getting a decent bail or I Bond for lack of a decent lawyer.

Even with all of that though I think forfeiture laws and no knocks fucked up the most. And yes it was not on the news every day but there were a lot of suburban homes, nice cars and cash going to local police forces. What was that guy from Archer-Western out to Oak Lawn way? Turned out Dan Hampton didn't even realize he married his ex coke whore. Cappas?


You're right. Once law enforcement were given the ability to seize and sale EVERYTHING they went crazy with it. Everything was drug related even if it wasn't.

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Less than 5% of all arrests are for violent crimes.


Yeah, I'm not certain what abolishing the police will actually look like. I don't think anyone is. But people seem to have this impression that real life is like the movies where some criminal is busting into your house at night and you make a quick phone call and Sean Penn and Denzel Washington rush out and catch the perpetrator in the act. In reality it's more like Laurel and Hardy come out and write up the report of the robbery and murder which remain unsolved.


I'm somewhat guilty of believing this. I knew Chicago's numbers sucked but thought that was an aberration. Hollywood got me.

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Less than 5% of all arrests are for violent crimes.


Yeah, I'm not certain what abolishing the police will actually look like. I don't think anyone is. But people seem to have this impression that real life is like the movies where some criminal is busting into your house at night and you make a quick phone call and Sean Penn and Denzel Washington rush out and catch the perpetrator in the act. In reality it's more like Laurel and Hardy come out and write up the report of the robbery and murder which remain unsolved.

It is stupid to take sides against normal, law-abiding people (of any color) in favor of appeasing criminals.

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It is stupid to take sides against normal, law-abiding people (of any color) in favor of appeasing criminals.


This is a problem for me when a lot of the fixes for some of the problems seem to appease criminals. Selling drugs is not a big deal some say. Selling drugs armed to the teeth and also killing all your competitors is.

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It is stupid to take sides against normal, law-abiding people (of any color) in favor of appeasing criminals.


This is a problem for me when a lot of the fixes for some of the problems seem to appease criminals. Selling drugs is not a big deal some say. Selling drugs armed to the teeth and also killing all your competitors is.


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It is stupid to take sides against normal, law-abiding people (of any color) in favor of appeasing criminals.


This is a problem for me when a lot of the fixes for some of the problems seem to appease criminals. Selling drugs is not a big deal some say. Selling drugs armed to the teeth and also killing all your competitors is.


States illegally sell drugs, but you can still get arrested for possession of marijuana.

I'm not a "Make everything legal!" guy, but it bothers me that poor communities are targeted despite drug use being pretty much the same across the board. Lock everyone up or don't lock anyone up for petty drug possession.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
The seismic shift in public opinion over the last few weeks has been amazing. It's clear that despite the propaganda pushed on us from age 5 on about police being heroes, public opinion has shifted against them and it is glorious to see.

The days of police running rampant with no consequences for their action will be coming to an end shortly. By January, there will be a Congress and President who will end qualified immunity and will put an end to the militarization of police. Their day is done.

More work will have to be done afterwards such as ending civil asset forfeiture, but progress will be made.

Police are the enemy and people are starting to wake up and realize it.


It's so cute, you sound like us liberals after another *worst mass shooting in history* talking bout how this time the public sentiment has shifted and now there's going to be some meaningful gun control :lol:

:lol: Yeah Ogie, I think this is kind of right.

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pittmike wrote:
FukNuggitt wrote:
It is stupid to take sides against normal, law-abiding people (of any color) in favor of appeasing criminals.


This is a problem for me when a lot of the fixes for some of the problems seem to appease criminals. Selling drugs is not a big deal some say. Selling drugs armed to the teeth and also killing all your competitors is.


States illegally sell drugs, but you can still get arrested for possession of marijuana.

I'm not a "Make everything legal!" guy, but it bothers me that poor communities are targeted despite drug use being pretty much the same across the board. Lock everyone up or don't lock anyone up for petty drug possession.


i can at least see how heroin/crack/etc. can cause other crimes like theft and robbery to occur since people will commit then to support their habit. That's not happening with weed and it took an eternity for it to start becoming legalized


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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
The seismic shift in public opinion over the last few weeks has been amazing. It's clear that despite the propaganda pushed on us from age 5 on about police being heroes, public opinion has shifted against them and it is glorious to see.

The days of police running rampant with no consequences for their action will be coming to an end shortly. By January, there will be a Congress and President who will end qualified immunity and will put an end to the militarization of police. Their day is done.

More work will have to be done afterwards such as ending civil asset forfeiture, but progress will be made.

Police are the enemy and people are starting to wake up and realize it.


It's so cute, you sound like us liberals after another *worst mass shooting in history* talking bout how this time the public sentiment has shifted and now there's going to be some meaningful gun control :lol:

:lol: Yeah Ogie, I think this is kind of right.


Unlike guns, a federal law won't change much.

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i can at least see how heroin/crack/etc. can cause other crimes like theft and robbery to occur since people will commit then to support their habit. That's not happening with weed and it took an eternity for it to start becoming legalized
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pittmike wrote:
FukNuggitt wrote:
It is stupid to take sides against normal, law-abiding people (of any color) in favor of appeasing criminals.


This is a problem for me when a lot of the fixes for some of the problems seem to appease criminals. Selling drugs is not a big deal some say. Selling drugs armed to the teeth and also killing all your competitors is.


States illegally sell drugs, but you can still get arrested for possession of marijuana.

I'm not a "Make everything legal!" guy, but it bothers me that poor communities are targeted despite drug use being pretty much the same across the board. Lock everyone up or don't lock anyone up for petty drug possession.


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KDdidit wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
The seismic shift in public opinion over the last few weeks has been amazing. It's clear that despite the propaganda pushed on us from age 5 on about police being heroes, public opinion has shifted against them and it is glorious to see.

The days of police running rampant with no consequences for their action will be coming to an end shortly. By January, there will be a Congress and President who will end qualified immunity and will put an end to the militarization of police. Their day is done.

More work will have to be done afterwards such as ending civil asset forfeiture, but progress will be made.

Police are the enemy and people are starting to wake up and realize it.


It's so cute, you sound like us liberals after another *worst mass shooting in history* talking bout how this time the public sentiment has shifted and now there's going to be some meaningful gun control :lol:

:lol: Yeah Ogie, I think this is kind of right.

The difference is that there is actual legislation on the table now and come January we are looking at a Senate and President who would sign such legislation.

Unlike gun control, this legislation doesn't run afoul of the Constitution and thus would be upheld

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KDdidit wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
The seismic shift in public opinion over the last few weeks has been amazing. It's clear that despite the propaganda pushed on us from age 5 on about police being heroes, public opinion has shifted against them and it is glorious to see.

The days of police running rampant with no consequences for their action will be coming to an end shortly. By January, there will be a Congress and President who will end qualified immunity and will put an end to the militarization of police. Their day is done.

More work will have to be done afterwards such as ending civil asset forfeiture, but progress will be made.

Police are the enemy and people are starting to wake up and realize it.


It's so cute, you sound like us liberals after another *worst mass shooting in history* talking bout how this time the public sentiment has shifted and now there's going to be some meaningful gun control :lol:

:lol: Yeah Ogie, I think this is kind of right.


Unlike guns, a federal law won't change much.


As I said, it's only a start. A lot more is needed.

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KDdidit wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
The seismic shift in public opinion over the last few weeks has been amazing. It's clear that despite the propaganda pushed on us from age 5 on about police being heroes, public opinion has shifted against them and it is glorious to see.

The days of police running rampant with no consequences for their action will be coming to an end shortly. By January, there will be a Congress and President who will end qualified immunity and will put an end to the militarization of police. Their day is done.

More work will have to be done afterwards such as ending civil asset forfeiture, but progress will be made.

Police are the enemy and people are starting to wake up and realize it.


It's so cute, you sound like us liberals after another *worst mass shooting in history* talking bout how this time the public sentiment has shifted and now there's going to be some meaningful gun control :lol:

:lol: Yeah Ogie, I think this is kind of right.


Unlike guns, a federal law won't change much.


As I said, it's only a start. A lot more is needed.


When any real reform has to come from the state and local government, Democrat backed federal legislation is meaningless. You know this. It's not a start. This discussion has been going on for a while.

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KDdidit wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
The seismic shift in public opinion over the last few weeks has been amazing. It's clear that despite the propaganda pushed on us from age 5 on about police being heroes, public opinion has shifted against them and it is glorious to see.

The days of police running rampant with no consequences for their action will be coming to an end shortly. By January, there will be a Congress and President who will end qualified immunity and will put an end to the militarization of police. Their day is done.

More work will have to be done afterwards such as ending civil asset forfeiture, but progress will be made.

Police are the enemy and people are starting to wake up and realize it.


It's so cute, you sound like us liberals after another *worst mass shooting in history* talking bout how this time the public sentiment has shifted and now there's going to be some meaningful gun control :lol:

:lol: Yeah Ogie, I think this is kind of right.


Unlike guns, a federal law won't change much.


As I said, it's only a start. A lot more is needed.


When any real reform has to come from the state and local government, Democrat backed federal legislation is meaningless. You know this. It's not a start. This discussion has been going on for a while.

ending qualified immunity would be major as cops would finally be held accountable

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